46 anonym_3PcbQIcaagnb Members 282 posts Report post #1 Posted August 2, 2017 I know it is just a game but Iam I the only who thinks it is strange that the US tier 1 cruiser is more advance then the tier 2 and 3 cruisers of the same nation? The Erie class was made in the 30s. The Chester and St. Louis were made before 1910. From a gameplay perspective, I almost always survive in an Erie. But in the tier 2 and 3 American cruisers, I would have better luck with having sex with Charlize Theron then winning in the Chester or the St. Louis. Both of the weapons are just plain weak compared to the Erie. The same with hall strength. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,186 BlazerSparta Members 11,026 posts 30,669 battles Report post #2 Posted August 2, 2017 > St. Louis > Weak You're not playing them right. Whenever you come to complain about gameplay balance, forget the names and appearances of the ships, and look at their stats. Does your complaint still make sense? Good. Post. Does your complaint now sound like complete nonsense? Then go back and find something else to complain about. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,381 [WOLF1] paradat Beta Testers 17,099 posts 25,043 battles Report post #3 Posted August 2, 2017 St Louis weak? I..... do ... not .... even. St Louis is a monster. Angle her use HE and burn everything down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,482 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,859 posts 27,312 battles Report post #4 Posted August 2, 2017 All the tier Is are gunboat designs and sloops from the 1930s, and gameplay is very simple at tier I. There's only 1 ammo choice, armor doesn't matter and every ship is equal. Tier 2 and up things like ammo choice starts to appear, armor matters, penetration mechanics start becoming a thing. Your inability to make the ships of tier 2+ work is not a fault of the ships, and the claim that St Louis, one of the strongest ships in the game when accounting for tier, is weaker than the Erie is laughable. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #5 Posted August 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, paradat said: St Louis weak? I..... do ... not .... even. St Louis is a monster. Angle her use HE and burn everything down. Other than Kolberg, are there ANY bad Tier 3 cruisers in the tech tree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,482 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,859 posts 27,312 battles Report post #6 Posted August 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Skpstr said: Other than Kolberg, are there ANY bad Tier 3 cruisers in the tech tree? Let's see, St Lo is a monster, Bogatyr is plain overpowered if you invest into it, Tenryu is like a big destroyer, Friant is fast and has the gun range .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
440 More_Witches Members 1,507 posts 1,138 battles Report post #7 Posted August 2, 2017 20 minutes ago, M8i said: I know it is just a game but Iam I the only who thinks it is strange that the US tier 1 cruiser is more advance then the tier 2 and 3 cruisers of the same nation? The Erie class was made in the 30s. The Chester and St. Louis were made before 1910. From a gameplay perspective, I almost always survive in an Erie. But in the tier 2 and 3 American cruisers, I would have better luck with having sex with Charlize Theron then winning in the Chester or the St. Louis. Both of the weapons are just plain weak compared to the Erie. The same with hall strength. A suggestion: - Set up a training room - Select the Erie - Put a single active bot St. Louis on the other team - Try to sink the St. Louis Good luck 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
440 More_Witches Members 1,507 posts 1,138 battles Report post #8 Posted August 2, 2017 Isn't a St. Louis both healthier and faster than a stock South Carolina? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
102 [BFBTW] DoctorMcDerp Members 500 posts 2,939 battles Report post #9 Posted August 2, 2017 St Louis is easily the best ship at tier 3, even with it's lack of torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,482 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,859 posts 27,312 battles Report post #10 Posted August 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, DoctorMcDerp said: St Louis is easily the best ship at tier 3 Nah, Bogatyr is. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,776 [SIM] SkaerKrow Members 6,307 posts 10,286 battles Report post #11 Posted August 2, 2017 OP you are new and have a lot to learn. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I wish you luck in your WoWs career. However, by coming to this forum and speaking confidently about a subject that you know little about, you're going to have a rough time of it. Try reading some strategy topics or asking questions like "I do well in my Erie, so why am I struggling in my St Louis?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,260 cometguy Members 2,992 posts 5,204 battles Report post #12 Posted August 2, 2017 Every gun in America is on the St. Louis, I love that ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #13 Posted August 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, DoctorMcDerp said: St Louis is easily the best ship at tier 3, even with it's lack of torps. 2 minutes ago, Lert said: Nah, Bogatyr is. I think that it's subjective. If your opponent in a different T3 cruiser can play to his strengths, while keeping you from playing to yours, he has the better ship. T3 cruisers (again, except Kolberg) are that closely matched IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,482 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,859 posts 27,312 battles Report post #14 Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Skpstr said: If your opponent in a different T3 cruiser can play to his strengths, while keeping you from playing to yours, he has the better ship. True, but a properly outfitted Bogatyr has all the tools to shut down any St Louis without even allowing the St lo a return salvo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
357 [RST] Fedge_123 Members 836 posts 22,784 battles Report post #15 Posted August 2, 2017 So the Eire is eerie at Tier 1? There are stranger things in the game at higher tiers - you'll find paper ships that float, pink ships, ships commanded by high school girls, radar waves that travel through rock, lands and seas beyond normal human scale, and more ... welcome to the Twilight Zone ... welcome, to Fantasy Island! It's all good. Have fun! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
607 Ghostdog1355 Members 2,857 posts 9,224 battles Report post #16 Posted August 2, 2017 Love the St. Louis. Still the ship I go play when I want to just have "fun". Use HE, go full speed, turn like crazy and just hold your finger on the fire button. It's glorious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,287 [WG-CC] SireneRacker -Members-, Members 9,101 posts 8,050 battles Report post #17 Posted August 2, 2017 37 minutes ago, Lert said: There's only 1 ammo choice, armor doesn't matter and every ship is equal. I think that some ships are more equal on that Tier. Black Swan is a bit different from everyone else with her AP shells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #18 Posted August 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lert said: True, but a properly outfitted Bogatyr has all the tools to shut down any St Louis without even allowing the St lo a return salvo. Exactly, same with a Friant. Using that range would be playing to their strengths without allowing the St. Lou to play to theirs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,482 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,859 posts 27,312 battles Report post #19 Posted August 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Skpstr said: Exactly, same with a Friant. Using that range would be playing to their strengths without allowing the St. Lou to play to theirs. Friant doesn't have the ballistics to reliably land hits at extreme range nor the ROF / DPM to finish targets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #20 Posted August 2, 2017 Just now, Lert said: Friant doesn't have the ballistics to reliably land hits at extreme range nor the ROF / DPM to finish targets. Fair enough, I was pretty much just theorising there, although I kept the ship, I only played enough games to advance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,678 Cruxdei Beta Testers 4,735 posts 7,019 battles Report post #21 Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, M8i said: I know it is just a game but Iam I the only who thinks it is strange that the US tier 1 cruiser is more advance then the tier 2 and 3 cruisers of the same nation? The Erie class was made in the 30s. The Chester and St. Louis were made before 1910. From a gameplay perspective, I almost always survive in an Erie. But in the tier 2 and 3 American cruisers, I would have better luck with having sex with Charlize Theron then winning in the Chester or the St. Louis. Both of the weapons are just plain weak compared to the Erie. The same with hall strength. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,044 [GUTS] Mizzerys_Fate [GUTS] Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 8,787 posts 30,888 battles Report post #22 Posted August 2, 2017 49 minutes ago, More_Witches said: Isn't a St. Louis both healthier and faster than a stock South Carolina? Yes. If he is having trouble in a ST. LOUIS, then GOD help him the rest of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,044 [GUTS] Mizzerys_Fate [GUTS] Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 8,787 posts 30,888 battles Report post #23 Posted August 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, Lert said: Friant doesn't have the ballistics to reliably land hits at extreme range nor the ROF / DPM to finish targets. She Jas monster caliber at that tier and a 10 point captain helps. You have to invest in her to get the most. But, you are correct, she isn't a DPM monster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
113 [FTWRK] BlitzFalcon109 Banned 560 posts 6,369 battles Report post #24 Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, M8i said: I know it is just a game but Iam I the only who thinks it is strange that the US tier 1 cruiser is more advance then the tier 2 and 3 cruisers of the same nation? The Erie class was made in the 30s. The Chester and St. Louis were made before 1910. From a gameplay perspective, I almost always survive in an Erie. But in the tier 2 and 3 American cruisers, I would have better luck with having sex with Charlize Theron then winning in the Chester or the St. Louis. Both of the weapons are just plain weak compared to the Erie. The same with hall strength. If you thought st. louis was bad oh boy... Tier IV Pheonix and V Omaha are waaaaaay worse in survivability for their tier. I'd actually say they are the worst tier 4 or 5 cruiser respectively or very very close. And those are some of the least survivable cruiser for their tier over all in the game. My only issue with St. Louis is its too slow for my liking; if I have to tier III... Bogatyr!!! Or Caledon seemed solid at tier 3 to me. Like a more sturdy tenryu. Power creep is power creep. Edited August 2, 2017 by BlitzFalcon109 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
440 More_Witches Members 1,507 posts 1,138 battles Report post #25 Posted August 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, BlitzFalcon109 said: If you thought st. louis was bad oh boy... Tier IV Pheonix and V Omaha are waaaaaay worse in survivability for their tier. I'd actually say they are the least tier 4 or 5 cruiser respectively or very very close. And those are some of the least survivable cruiser for their tier over all in the game. My only issue with St. Louis is its too slow for my liking; if I have to tier III... Bogatyr!!! Or Caledon seemed solid at tier 3 to me. Like a more sturdy tenryu. Power creep is power creep. Pretty much all of the Tier IV and V Cruisers are made of paper, balsa wood, and elmer's glue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
