My Experience as a CV captain

[StevenDec]

Hey guys I started this thread just to ask about other people's experiences as a CV captain. I am currently a T9 Essex captain and am *relatively* new. I have all 4 classes in the American tree but I'm grinding up to midway and have a total of around 1000 battles. Midway will be my first T10 and in my way up I've noticed something: no matter how you play you always seem to lose. Sure you may win the battle but I always get flak from other teammates saying "useless CV" because I didn't save them from enemy strikes, especially from Taiho(and other ships at lower tiers.) I play strike loadout because let's be honest, it takes forever to get XP in air superiority and isn't very skillful, and stock, though balanced, is a bit of a challenge to kill high tier ships with. I've also almost gone stock for every CV until Essex. My problem is that everyone always blames the carrier. I only have one fighter, and if my strafe run doesn't go perfectly then I get tied up by their fighter and the guy may die. At least I tried right? Well, with what I've found people eithe expect you to save them every time and disregard your own strikes. Nobody seems to understand that if I lose 30 planes  from a well placed strafe run and some high aa, then I've just made the game much harder and stressful for me. We've gotten to a point in this game where not only are CVs supposed to protect every single teammate from enemy planes with little damage, and do severe damage to enemy ships at the same time. Too many times is this simply impossible. Also, players expect CVs to be perfect every game. I don't suck with Essex but we all have either good games and bad games. Also, if RNG is on my side or not can determine if you get devastating striked on or take no damage at all. I think the player base, for all their about how either "OP" or "super underpowered class that nobody plays anymore" is one of the biggest proponents of the problem. It's no wonder why nobody wants to play them if they constantly get crap for not being absolutely flawless every game, or be called "useless" otherwise. Any comments, similar experiences, disagreements, I'm open to all discussion. Thank you for reading 

[DeadManxDan]

Playing USN CV's is where you have an issue.  They underperform and are only strong when you run 3 to 4 times the amount of damage you are currently putting out.  So yes you are seriously underperforming and really thats not a big deal however its made more apparent because you are playing CV and its easy to see mistakes.

 

You are incharge of your own win rate.  

[Teahee]

While I agree that CVs get undeserved hate from the majority of the playerbase, they are still capable of having a large impact on the battle in most games. If you are struggling to maintain the win rate that you want, perhaps you should look at your own play and see what you can improve on. 

[Aduial]

3 hours ago, StevenDec said:

everyone always blames the carrier

Welcome to life. 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What has been said; or just forget the lunacy of upper-tier Randoms carrier play and just use them in Co-op.

[BlessedbetheLord]

5 hours ago, MountainManxDan said:

Playing USN CV's is where you have an issue.  They underperform and are only strong when you run 3 to 4 times the amount of damage you are currently putting out.  So yes you are seriously underperforming and really thats not a big deal however its made more apparent because you are playing CV and its easy to see mistakes.

 

You are incharge of your own win rate.  

Not a very helpful post, I mean it's easy to tell somebody to "git gud." Next time maybe add come constructive criticism?

[DeadManxDan]

3 minutes ago, BlessedbetheLord said:

Not a very helpful post, I mean it's easy to tell somebody to "git gud." Next time maybe add come constructive criticism?

I pointed out the biggest issue (CV imbalance)  which has the solution built right into it and that is to play IJN CV instead.  I didn't say git gud in any of that I just pointed out why he is being flamed for playing badly and that I don't mind him playing the ship he wants but that other people will hate him for it.

[BlessedbetheLord]

6 hours ago, StevenDec said:

Hey guys I started this thread just to ask about other people's experiences as a CV captain. I am currently a T9 Essex captain and am *relatively* new. I have all 4 classes in the American tree but I'm grinding up to midway and have a total of around 1000 battles. Midway will be my first T10 and in my way up I've noticed something: no matter how you play you always seem to lose. Sure you may win the battle but I always get flak from other teammates saying "useless CV" because I didn't save them from enemy strikes, especially from Taiho(and other ships at lower tiers.) I play strike loadout because let's be honest, it takes forever to get XP in air superiority and isn't very skillful, and stock, though balanced, is a bit of a challenge to kill high tier ships with. I've also almost gone stock for every CV until Essex. My problem is that everyone always blames the carrier. I only have one fighter, and if my strafe run doesn't go perfectly then I get tied up by their fighter and the guy may die. At least I tried right? Well, with what I've found people eithe expect you to save them every time and disregard your own strikes. Nobody seems to understand that if I lose 30 planes  from a well placed strafe run and some high aa, then I've just made the game much harder and stressful for me. We've gotten to a point in this game where not only are CVs supposed to protect every single teammate from enemy planes with little damage, and do severe damage to enemy ships at the same time. Too many times is this simply impossible. Also, players expect CVs to be perfect every game. I don't suck with Essex but we all have either good games and bad games. Also, if RNG is on my side or not can determine if you get devastating striked on or take no damage at all. I think the player base, for all their about how either "OP" or "super underpowered class that nobody plays anymore" is one of the biggest proponents of the problem. It's no wonder why nobody wants to play them if they constantly get crap for not being absolutely flawless every game, or be called "useless" otherwise. Any comments, similar experiences, disagreements, I'm open to all discussion. Thank you for reading 

Honesty no matter what you do, especially online and in games, their will be people  who are going to expect everything and give nothing. From what I read of your post it seems like you just need to play with some friends in division play so you all can talk on Team Speak and ignore chat. Now I am not one for selling stuff but if you can get it you should check out the Enterprise. It's 2-2-2 loadout really made the difference for me as far as potential to defend and strike in-game. Or I guess go through the IJN tree. Either way relax, if the game that is meant for fun is stressing you out then just get off for a bit, read a book or something and come back. It's not the end of the world...

[BlessedbetheLord]

36 minutes ago, MountainManxDan said:

I pointed out the biggest issue (CV imbalance)  which has the solution built right into it and that is to play IJN CV instead.  I didn't say git gud in any of that I just pointed out why he is being flamed for playing badly and that I don't mind him playing the ship he wants but that other people will hate him for it.

I'm talking about the part where you point out how he is under-performing and his win rate. He created this post to see if anybody feels the same about CV play, so if your experience is different to his then perhaps some advice would help him more that going straight to saying that he simply needs to get better. Not saying you had malicious intent or something, its just an observation on what was said or at least how I read it.

[DeadManxDan]

8 minutes ago, BlessedbetheLord said:

I'm talking about the part where you point out how he is under-performing and his win rate. He created this post to see if anybody feels the same about CV play, so if your experience is different to his then perhaps some advice would help him more that going straight to saying that he simply needs to get better. Not saying you had malicious intent or something, its just an observation on what was said or at least how I read it.

Yeah thats how you are reading it.  I never said he had to improve that is just the reason why he gets flamed.  I probably should have been more clear on the advice is its probably better to avoid playing USN CV or to just not care what others think and play however you enjoy. (Within game rules)

 

Alternatively you can look up tutorial vids or forum post or try and find a USN CV mentor.

[Ascinius]

Hi,

If you want to cut the hate while playing a strike loadout usn cv unfortunately you do have a lot of ground to make up. Currently, it is easier to get into low tier usn cv play but a lot of the newer players git the same wall you are where they feel like no matter what they do they are underperforming. A sugestion as to how to "get gud" is to play the ijn side and see that it has weaknesses and isnt anything special.

In lieu of that, the key to playing usn cv is attack timing. USN planes can take much more abuse and its easy to take that for granted. It is more important to burn and flood as many ships as you can than it is to carry out massive strikes. As a USN cv you want to make them bleed. Because it takes so long to reequip and launch new strikes you need to make the damage last as long as possible. I guarantee that if you focus on burning 2 ships every strike so that they can not repair it noone on your team will be salty and you will have much more fun :)

[Carrier_Lexington]

On 7/23/2017 at 10:49 AM, MountainManxDan said:

I pointed out the biggest issue (CV imbalance)  which has the solution built right into it and that is to play IJN CV instead.

Love this argument. It's so flawed.

For starters, just because a line is bad doesn't mean no one should play it. You keep telling him to take the IJN line... do you know how much of an issue it is to grind past stock Zuiho?

Zuiho aside, the solution to CV imbalance is not for players to go to another line: that stagnates gameplay, increases line disparity, and furthers the problem. So, this "solution" that you claim is so "easy" is actually worsening the issue: people see CVs being OP because everyone's playing Japanese CVs, so there are system-wide nerfs that hit both CV lines and make one bad and the other even more unplayable.

 

The solution is to buff the USN CVs by giving them more flexible configurations:

Ranger needs a 1/1/2 Strike, 1/1/1 stock, and 2/1/1 AS

Lexington needs a 1/1/2 Strike, 1/1/2 stock, and a 2/1/1 AS

Essex and Midway need a 1/2/2 Strike, 2/1/2 Stock, and a 3/1/2 AS

[Not_Your_Average_Potato]

Front my experience so far in cv play especially high tiers it's really the skill of the player.  I have my Hakuryu and believe me, going up a good Midway captain is a living hell.  Especially when he shuts your strike down and along with the enemy team knows how to stick with AA spec cruisers.  I don't believe u are in charge of your own win rate cause I have been in teams where even though u can't strike and are spotting the enemy ships especially the enemy DD, they still can't sink them and other enemy ships.  My Hakuryu is by far my lowest win rate CV but yet the highest average damage per game.  But I don't think I am a good cv captain and still room for improvement.  But unfortunately everyone loves to blame cv captain and honestly I use to be one of those as well.  But when I started playing them it changed my perspective.  It's a lot harder than playing BB for sure and I say this cause most of my games are in a BB and I am good in them.  CV however the skill ceiling is much higher.  Reminds me of the good old SC2 days lol.  But to the OP yes the USN CV is a bit under performing but if u are aware of what's going on u can easily shut down the IJN cv.  Those Midway fighters are so tanky.  

[Brigade_26]

On 8/22/2017 at 3:28 PM, Ascinius said:

Hi,

If you want to cut the hate while playing a strike loadout usn cv unfortunately you do have a lot of ground to make up. Currently, it is easier to get into low tier usn cv play but a lot of the newer players git the same wall you are where they feel like no matter what they do they are underperforming. A sugestion as to how to "get gud" is to play the ijn side and see that it has weaknesses and isnt anything special.

In lieu of that, the key to playing usn cv is attack timing. USN planes can take much more abuse and its easy to take that for granted. It is more important to burn and flood as many ships as you can than it is to carry out massive strikes. As a USN cv you want to make them bleed. Because it takes so long to reequip and launch new strikes you need to make the damage last as long as possible. I guarantee that if you focus on burning 2 ships every strike so that they can not repair it noone on your team will be salty and you will have much more fun :)

I actually have started doing this and it dose seem to work out better.  Do as much damage as I can and let the surface boys finish them off. 

 

[Brigade_26]

On 7/23/2017 at 1:44 AM, MountainManxDan said:

You are incharge of your own win rate.  

Oh no. No no no.  No you are not.  Granted, you can contribute and the better your skill the better your chances are but you are never truly in charge of your WR.  Case and point.  I did 214k damage with my Ranger... And still lost. 

[DeadManxDan]

4 hours ago, Brigade_26 said:

Oh no. No no no.  No you are not.  Granted, you can contribute and the better your skill the better your chances are but you are never truly in charge of your WR.  Case and point.  I did 214k damage with my Ranger... And still lost. 

Damage doesn't equal a win.  You obviously can't have 100% win rate but you can always have the odds be in your favor.