Tillman (IV) battleships

[The_Great_Gatsby_1925]

 

    The Tillman (IV) battleships aka maximum battleships were a series of American concept battleships based on the New Mexico class battleships but bigger.... A LOT BIGGER I mean were talking 975 feet and 80,000 tons that's bigger than the Montana and the Midway. A fair size comparison would be the super carrier USS Forrestal (CV-59). which was 990 feet and 90,000 tons, which is  skewed due to the flight deck

      USS Forrestal pictured here 

      Top: Tillman (IV)    Middle: Tillman (IV-1)     Bottom: Tillman (IV-2)

 

Now the Tillman (IV) had 3 variants each of them unique in their own ways. The Tillman (IV) had a staggering 24 16 inch guns with 6 guns in each turret which would seem like a very bad idea as only 4 guns in a single turret caused reliability issues for the King George V class battleships. The ship also had impregnable belt armor with armor reaching up to 19 inches which is more than the Yamato. The Tillman (IV-1) had 13, yes that's a bit odd but yeah 13 18 inch guns but if any of you guys can guess how that works you'll get a cookie. Anyways The Till.. wait quick random question do any of you guys like fish and chips? I'm getting hungry..... Anyways moving on... The Tillman (IV-1) had less armor than the (IV) with 16 inches at the belt. The last of the ol' ladies was the Tillman (IV-2) which was essentially the Tillman (IV-1) but with a less confusing turret setup. It had 15 18 inch guns in 5 triple turrets. All 3 of these ships had a maximum speed of 25 knots, about 47 KMH or 30 MPH. Which may seem slow but I guarantee you it would be A LOT slower if they were actually built and tested. Maybe the doom turtle of the sea. Anyways the Tillman (IV) battleships weren't a complete waste of time because they were used as concepts for an even better battleship. A battleship that would be armed with 12 16 inch guns and over a foot of belt armor and that would be almost 700 feet long. It was the South Dakota class (1920) and it would show Europe that America knew what they were doing. It would be the best battleship in the world!

                                                                                 Washington Naval treaty 1922

                 "Washington naval treaty"

 "London Naval treaty"

 "Nine nations reportedly agree to naval restrictions"

"South Dakota class, Lexington class, among others canceled"

 

                                                                       yeah..... it was a waste of time

 

 

                                                        

                               

 

 

[Psycodiver]

Deja Vu thread

[BrushWolf]

There was never any engineering done on them.

[The_first_harbinger]

If the Tillman was really built, it would become the greatest non-nuclear firework in the world, detonating in Arizona's place in Pearl Harbor after being struck by a 800-kilogram type 97 armor piercing bomb.

Such a long and wide design is doomed to have very poor vertical defense. I'm glad it wasn't built in reality.

[The_Great_Gatsby_1925]

7 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

There was never any engineering done on them.

Yes, it was just drawing 

[Hurlbut]

7 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

There was never any engineering done on them.

They were only done as a proof of concept by Senator Tillman's request, hence them bearing his name.

[Edselman]

The Tillmans weren't based off of the New Mexico-class because the first design was made before the Pennsylvania-class was operational. They actually used some aspects of the Tillman designs in the Pennsylvania-class. Something to note is that the heaviest of the designs would weigh 80,000 tons unloaded. The actual full displacement of a fully equipped Tillman would probably approach or even exceed 90,000 tons.

[BrushWolf]

11 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

There was never any engineering done on them.

 

4 hours ago, Hurlbut said:

They were only done as a proof of concept by Senator Tillman's request, hence them bearing his name.

 

Right, all that was done was to quickly draw up the ships but no engineering work was done because we had no shipyards that could have built them.

[The_Great_Gatsby_1925]

9 hours ago, Edselman said:

The Tillmans weren't based off of the New Mexico-class because the first design was made before the Pennsylvania-class was operational. They actually used some aspects of the Tillman designs in the Pennsylvania-class. Something to note is that the heaviest of the designs would weigh 80,000 tons unloaded. The actual full displacement of a fully equipped Tillman would probably approach or even exceed 90,000 tons.

Tillman ivs were 

 

[Hurlbut]

11 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

 

 

Right, all that was done was to quickly draw up the ships but no engineering work was done because we had no shipyards that could have built them.

Actually...the request was for the Navy to present designs for the largest battleships possible. That is, one of these Tillman battleships could be built...if you don't give a fig about the cost, manpower, and material needed to do it!

[Drakenred]

Basicaly you have to wonder how mutch those were intended as the Navy's way of saying were not the ones being insain, yet...

[Phoenix_jz]

Weren't they all done at the request of a senator named Tillman? My knowledge on these ships is rather small, so perhaps I'm wrong here, but weren't these designs sort of the navy saying 'this is the maximum we could build... But we're not insane, so it's never gonna happen' ?

[waffles1945]

On 7/3/2017 at 9:11 AM, The_first_harbinger said:

If the Tillman was really built, it would become the greatest non-nuclear firework in the world, detonating in Arizona's place in Pearl Harbor after being struck by a 800-kilogram type 97 armor piercing bomb.

Such a long and wide design is doomed to have very poor vertical defense. I'm glad it wasn't built in reality.

Arizona only blew up because the bomb hit the black powder storage, which in turn set off the magazine. If the black powder hadn't been hit, she would have survived pearl harbor. 

[The_first_harbinger]

7 hours ago, waffles1945 said:

Arizona only blew up because the bomb hit the black powder storage, which in turn set off the magazine. If the black powder hadn't been hit, she would have survived pearl harbor. 

She would've been severely damaged anyway. As long as the 800-kilogram armor piercing bomb can penetrate the bomb deck and the citadel deck, all vitals of the ship are basically lying naked under what is equivalent of a battleship shell. Even if the bomb missed the propellent charge locker, it can still explode in the ammunition magazines (which would send arizona sky-high in a similar fashion. If Arizona is lucky enough to not get hit anywhere near her main battery mounts, if it struck the engine rooms, it would knock her out for a REALLY long time, if not rendering her ineffective and send her off for scraping yard straight away, since it's unworthy almost impossible to replace her steam boilers through all the mess underneath the deck. 

[Hurlbut]

FYI that bomb was an converted battleship ap shell.