questions, and advice please.

[probation_officer]

yesterday I ground up RU CAs to budyonny so I could try ranked battles. enjoying the boat, enjoying ranked battles, but some of the results have me confused.

1) above average damage, below average for ship kills, right on average for MBH, above average survival, 33% victory rate (ouch) and consistently score 4th, as high as second, on the team, but these % are from all PvP, as WT is not calculating them yet?? or will they?? in 3 of the losses, we sank 1 (one) enemy ship, and did not last very long. are ranked % significantly different from random? ive got fairly low WTR for the damage, do they losses and low ship kills hold the score down? is team play more involved as the teams are smaller? don't feel I have enuff information to make intelligent adjustments to my play.

2) my fire starting % is at 15%. in all ranked battles, my actual fire starting average is 7.4%, a bit less than half. the range is 6.1% to 9.1%, which would be spot on if the fire average was 7.5%. is this a function of ranked battles, or just bad luck??

3) yesterday my WTR took a beating as I rushed thru T5 to get to ranked. today, in 6 random battles, my damage, ship kills, survival and WTR were way, way up, yet my win rate is hovering about 33%. I average a bit higher than 2nd place on my teams in defeats, and ~3rd in victories. can anybody tell me what is going on with this? in 2 battles tonite I sank 4 ships of our team total of 5 (in each), and the slaughters are really not much fun.

this would not bother me nearly as much if I were not hearing garbage talk from team members. they seem to feel I should push (in a budyonny) and do so when I've got 4+ enemy ships aiming at me... 

any answers and suggestions much appreciated!! thanks. 

[SireneRacker]

2) There are a number of other factors besides the Fire chance of your guns. There is also a fire co-efficient for every ship that reduces the fire chance by up to 50% and then there are also the skills and modules that prevent fires. For detailed info please read this page: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Fire

1) and 3) You put too much focus on the WTR, it is a flawed system and I would recommend to not worry about stats for the first 200 matches until you have a good feeling on the mechanics and the way the game handles. Remember that you are still fairly fresh in this game, don't rush too quickly through the Tiers and don't hesitate to take a step back. 

[aethervox]

14 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

1) and 3) You put too much focus on the WTR, it is a flawed system and I would recommend to not worry about stats

  ....... yet you stat shame so which is it, hypocrite, a flawed system or a way to denigrate others? 

[aethervox]

Is the Budyonny your only T6 ship? If it is, play it like you think it should be played - & do ponder what your teammates say (to a degree but not to suiciding, lol).

& ignore WR, it is a bogus & artificial stat - notice your anomalous (aka strange, unexplainable) battle results? This is WG 'arranging' team matchups. 

 Otherwise, GL on your WoWS voyaging.

[SireneRacker]

2 minutes ago, aethervox said:

  ....... yet you stat shame so which is it, hypocrite, a flawed system or a way to denigrate others?

 

You obviously blocked out the important part of my sentence there.

9 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

1) and 3) You put too much focus on the WTR, it is a flawed system and I would recommend to not worry about stats for the first 200 matches until you have a good feeling on the mechanics and the way the game handles.

I am fine with people caring about stats, but I recommend not to do so for the first 200 matches. What you just did is you took my statement and changed it so that it becomes a completely different one. 

 

I care about my stats, but I don't rub them into people's faces unless they provoke me to do so or unless I feel like they make an important point in a discussion, as they did in your false claims about WG placing Free-to-Play players on the loosing teams. In those cases the usage of my WinRate is not stat-shaming, it is a valid point. And you should remember that it was you who said that you have a sub-50% WR by saying that you loose more then than you win, and if you throw your own WR into the room then you have to accept that others will use it as well.

 

And yes WTR is flawed, I have always said that and I will continue to do so because it is true. A stat that relies heavily on damage is not an indicator of skill, it discounts factors such as teamwork, spotting damage, the type of damage, the targets you shot at, etc.

[aethervox]

3 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

And yes WTR is flawed, I have always said that and I will continue to do so because it is true

We can agree entirely on this point.

[VGLance]

The meta seems to be to steer clear of cruisers except maybe Cleveland or Perth. Buddy lights fires nicely and has good range but the killer is that one single shell can bring you from full health to 20% even when angled. Glass cannons make terrible ranked ships. I'm not saying you can't have a string of good matches in them but you have to consider alternatives that have shown to be far more consistent in influencing the match to the end. 

 

In random, more team mates means more opportunities to use them as distractions. In ranked, not so much. 

[NCC1701PS]

Ok, so when I read this, the first thing I noticed was "yesterday I ground up RU CAs to budyonny so I could try ranked battles. enjoying the boat." By this I am going to assume that you haven't really played Budyonny outside of ranked very much (I haven't gotten around to playing russian or french ships all that much yet, but that is besides the point). This leads to two issues (assuming I am correct):

    1. You don't have too much experience in Budyonny yet and haven't figured out a play style that fits her yet. If this is the case, your lowered stats are perfectly normal as you adjust how you play to better fit the ship and will rise as you learn how to work with your and your ship's strengths.

    2. You took out Budyonny literally as soon as you had her. In this case, you might have an untrained commander, no flags, no signals, no camo, no upgrades, stock consumables and stock modules. I remember complaining about ranked once, and someone gave me the cardinal rule of ranked: dont bring stock/unupgraded ships.

 

My suggestion for either of these options/problems is the same: forget about ranked as you work on getting your ship upgraded and get used to her, then come back once the ship is ready, and you are ready for ranked. (One other thing to note, Budyonny might just be a really bad ship to pick for ranked)

 

"ive got fairly low WTR for the damage, do they losses and low ship kills hold the score down?"

The weights used for the various components of the rating are:

Component	Weight
Average Damage	50.0%
Average Kills	30.0%
Win Rate	20.0%
Average BaseDefense	0.0%
Average Base Capture	0.0%

 

Overall, you just started the game, get to know it before trying the most competitive game mode. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but in ranked, you are facing people who have had the game for ages and have a ton of experience. Ranked isn't going anywhere, sit out a season and enjoy the game. By the next season, you will be in a much better position to play ranked.

 

Also don't worry about your win rate and WTR, you are doing fine for having played for less than a month. I think I can say I am at least an OK - good player now, not excellent, but reasonable. When I was at the stage you were, all I could think about was trying to win ONE game.

 

I hope this helped, and just want to stress again, my intent was not to put you down, but to help you grow. Good luck in the future

[DOCTOR_CITADEL]

5 hours ago, SireneRacker said:

Remember that you are still fairly fresh in this game

 

I doubt that ;)

 

Nothing about his profile says, "Hi! I'm new here! This is my first account!"

 

Rerolling is what it is, but a player doing it shouldn't waste their time, or everyone else's, pretending that they aren't; that's just disingenuous and instantly loses respect in my book. I can pick them out in less than a minute.

[Lensar]

28 minutes ago, DOCTOR_CITADEL said:

Rerolling is what it is, but a player doing it shouldn't waste their time, or everyone else's, pretending that the aren't; that's just disingenuous and instantly loses respect in my book. I can pick them out in less than a minute.

 

Well played, sir.

[Weezil]

1 hour ago, DOCTOR_CITADEL said:

 

I doubt that ;)

 

Nothing about his profile says, "Hi! I'm new here! This is my first account!"

 

Rerolling is what it is, but a player doing it shouldn't waste their time, or everyone else's, pretending that they aren't; that's just disingenuous and instantly loses respect in my book. I can pick them out in less than a minute.

You sir have a keen eye, because I was like "wow, I wish I were that good when I was starting out" lol.

[Kevs02Accord]

5 hours ago, VGLance said:

The meta seems to be to steer clear of cruisers except maybe Cleveland or Perth. Buddy lights fires nicely and has good range but the killer is that one single shell can bring you from full health to 20% even when angled. Glass cannons make terrible ranked ships. I'm not saying you can't have a string of good matches in them but you have to consider alternatives that have shown to be far more consistent in influencing the match to the end. 

 

In random, more team mates means more opportunities to use them as distractions. In ranked, not so much. 

I am learning this the hard way. I feel like I do much better in cruisers in random than I do in BB's. Last season I played Nagato almost exclusively. This season I wanted to try some cruisers I was really good with in randoms, mainly Budyonny and Leander. I can have some great games, but not consistently. Literally you get spotted for 10 seconds and your dead, doesn't matter which way I am angled. It's very frustrating. So I guess I keep grinding with BB's.

[RipNuN2]

3 hours ago, DOCTOR_CITADEL said:

 

I doubt that ;)

 

Nothing about his profile says, "Hi! I'm new here! This is my first account!"

 

Rerolling is what it is, but a player doing it shouldn't waste their time, or everyone else's, pretending that they aren't; that's just disingenuous and instantly loses respect in my book. I can pick them out in less than a minute.

 

I wondered the same thing . . . 

 

[probation_officer]

5 hours ago, DOCTOR_CITADEL said:

 

I doubt that ;)

 

Nothing about his profile says, "Hi! I'm new here! This is my first account!"

 

Rerolling is what it is, but a player doing it shouldn't waste their time, or everyone else's, pretending that they aren't; that's just disingenuous and instantly loses respect in my book. I can pick them out in less than a minute.

you picked wrong this time. doubtlessly it took you less than a minute (assuming you are a fast typer), even so it was still wasted time.

I have a lot of gaming experience (30+ years), some in 1st person shooters, mostly strategy. both are heavily at play in this game. aiming is a work in progress, usually the 1st salvo is a complete miss, and if they are WASDing, don't get many hits, even vs BBs. started out with high stats, they have declined with every new tier, except with the ishisushi at T4. that's because I have very few games in T5 and 6, and have been out of position in most of them.

WT stats are interesting and useful for me only as changes indicate i'm either doing something right, or doing something wrong that needs to be changed. ship comrade appears to do a far better and relative job of ranking, and if you look up my ship comrade ranks on anything but win rate (which is coming down), will find i'm at ~16k+ of 17,800 +/- players with stats on the site. which, with under 100 games, would be about right (in my opinion).

am playing to blow stuff up, sink enemy ships, and if I can figure out what the team needs for a win, will try to do that to the best of my ability. fortunately, I don't care about respect in your book, so I will make no efforts to present myself like a noob with no gaming experience in an effort to brown nose you.

7 hours ago, NCC1701PS said:

Ok, so when I read this, the first thing I noticed was "yesterday I ground up RU CAs to budyonny so I could try ranked battles. enjoying the boat." By this I am going to assume that you haven't really played Budyonny outside of ranked very much (I haven't gotten around to playing russian or french ships all that much yet, but that is besides the point). This leads to two issues (assuming I am correct):

    1. You don't have too much experience in Budyonny yet and haven't figured out a play style that fits her yet. If this is the case, your lowered stats are perfectly normal as you adjust how you play to better fit the ship and will rise as you learn how to work with your and your ship's strengths.

    2. You took out Budyonny literally as soon as you had her. In this case, you might have an untrained commander, no flags, no signals, no camo, no upgrades, stock consumables and stock modules. I remember complaining about ranked once, and someone gave me the cardinal rule of ranked: dont bring stock/unupgraded ships.

 

My suggestion for either of these options/problems is the same: forget about ranked as you work on getting your ship upgraded and get used to her, then come back once the ship is ready, and you are ready for ranked. (One other thing to note, Budyonny might just be a really bad ship to pick for ranked)

 

"ive got fairly low WTR for the damage, do they losses and low ship kills hold the score down?"

The weights used for the various components of the rating are:

Component	Weight
Average Damage	50.0%
Average Kills	30.0%
Win Rate	20.0%
Average BaseDefense	0.0%
Average Base Capture	0.0%

 

Overall, you just started the game, get to know it before trying the most competitive game mode. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but in ranked, you are facing people who have had the game for ages and have a ton of experience. Ranked isn't going anywhere, sit out a season and enjoy the game. By the next season, you will be in a much better position to play ranked.

 

Also don't worry about your win rate and WTR, you are doing fine for having played for less than a month. I think I can say I am at least an OK - good player now, not excellent, but reasonable. When I was at the stage you were, all I could think about was trying to win ONE game.

 

I hope this helped, and just want to stress again, my intent was not to put you down, but to help you grow. Good luck in the future

hi. thanks for taking the time to respond.

the grind i refer to was from bogatyr to the budyonny, not all the way from T1. i selected this as I figured out the bogatyr fairly quickly and easily, it's fun, and watched a pooload of videos on the budyonny, so I didn't feel I was in totally uncharted waters. used free XP earned in the ishizushi to upgrade, and flags to get the captain (transferred from bogatyr) to level 6, so at least it's not stock, with a zero point captain. it plays very similar to the bogatyr, except has a huge turning circle, so harder to avoid incoming. and won't start fires like I anticipated. and has attracted as many as 6 enemy ships trying to hit her.

relative to team mates in ranked, have been nowhere close to the bottom of the team yet. of course, if i'm really getting assigned to potato teams, that does not mean much.

not keen on waiting till next ranked season, as I don't know how long I will be playing the game. your post was appreciated, thank you.

[DOCTOR_CITADEL]

23 minutes ago, wonderwanker said:

am playing to blow stuff up, sink enemy ships, and if I can figure out what the team needs for a win, will try to do that to the best of my ability. fortunately, I don't care about respect in your book, so I will make no efforts to present myself like a noob with no gaming experience in an effort to brown nose you.

 

I've been playing WG titles for a long, long time. In my experience, I've rarely seen a pre-made, out-of-the-box unicum with less than 200 battles. 

 

To be fair, your account profile has many of the hallmarks that I would look for in a reroll account.

 

If you truly aren't a reroll and happen to be a savant or a prodigy, my apologies. 

 

Best of luck out there. See you in Ranked!