German BB nerfs on premiums, wallet is closed

[Drakov__]

Just getting my opinion out here, and yes I know others will disagree.  My stand as well is based on principle, yes I am mainly a coop player, and yes I know it is WGs game, but how I spend my money is my choice too.  But with these upcoming nerfs to the German BBs, specifically Tirpitz and Scharnhorst that I paid real money for, I will no long be buying ships from World Of Warships as my wallet will now be closed.  This action has shown me that I cannot rely on the product that you are selling and has made any sales a liability to me. 

[fredbob99705]

Umm what nerfs?

[Raptor_alcor]

The ships capabilities will remain utterly unchanged, they just get an actual counter now and this is what the game desperately needs. 

[Ulthwey]

18 minutes ago, BRM9875 said:

Just getting my opinion out here, and yes I know others will disagree.  My stand as well is based on principle, yes I am mainly a coop player, and yes I know it is WGs game, but how I spend my money is my choice too.  But with these upcoming nerfs to the German BBs, specifically Tirpitz and Scharnhorst that I paid real money for, I will no long be buying ships from World Of Warships as my wallet will now be closed.  This action has shown me that I cannot rely on the product that you are selling and has made any sales a liability to me. 

 

Thank you!

[Raptor_alcor]

I will be 100% blunt to you OP: this decision of yours should have been made from the beginning as wargaming reserves the right to alter any premium however they want, whenever they want and it's within their ToS. If you were to close your wallets because wargaming wanted to alter their game to adjust the balance you shouldn't have ever bought a ship to begin with. It's your fault for assuming that your pet ship would remain perminantly untouched. 

[thegamefilmguruman]

14 minutes ago, fredbob99705 said:

Umm what nerfs?

I think he's referring to the leaked 6.8 secondary fire chance changes...which probably wouldn't affect premiums.

[fredbob99705]

Just now, thegamefilmguruman said:

I think he's referring to the leaked 6.8 secondary fire chance changes...which probably wouldn't affect premiums.

Ahh thank you, I haven't heard of this yet.

[awiggin]

1 minute ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

I think he's referring to the leaked 6.8 secondary fire chance changes...which probably wouldn't affect premiums.

Will affect premiums, since the change is to the guns, not ships.

[WanderingGhost]

Okay, first off chicken little - these are SUPERTEST STATS. Just cause ST gets it does not mean it gets put to live. This is why ST members sign an NDA to hopefully prevent them from talking about things like this where people get hysterical or rage or whatever over a change Wargaming simply went "what if we try changing that?"

 

Second off - What nerfs, the most I can find is to the secondaries. And going by the information that isn't hard to tell if it's the BB's too or just the cruisers, it's a reduction in fire chance, so that the 88's and 105's have it at 4 and 5% as opposed to 7 and 9, which when you consider the volume of fire, and the accuracy of those guns, especially with most putting on manual secondaries, is a lot, especially since they won't nerf fires in the first place. Also, a max damage change from 1100 to 1000 and 1300 to 1200. Now, lets assume you actually have them hitting something they can actually pen, want to know how much damage that really is?

 

330 down to 300, 390 down to 360. A full pen is only 30% or if I'm mis-remembering 33%, which changes that number very little, of max shell damage. So, maybe, against say, Leander, or something else very weak you may lose the full 100 but at best realistically your losing 30-33 damage per shot. on guns that A: rarely pen save maybe DD's that have low HP anyway and B: have a fairly high rate of fire and aren't even the main firepower of German BB's, it's the AP firing 150 mm guns that can citadel some of the cruisers.

 

I've gotten to Bismarck, I own Tirp and Scharn, and given, if it actually gets through testing it's a global change, the one thing that will apply to premiums, I really could care less because sure, they are great for dealing with silly DD's and light cruisers but still, especially in the case of scharn, really are better at making use of their primaries for damage with the secondaries an added bonus to anyone that strays too close. 

[Taichunger]

54 minutes ago, Raptor_alcor said:

I will be 100% blunt to you OP: this decision of yours should have been made from the beginning as wargaming reserves the right to alter any premium however they want, whenever they want and it's within their ToS. If you were to close your wallets because wargaming wanted to alter their game to adjust the balance you shouldn't have ever bought a ship to begin with. It's your fault for assuming that your pet ship would remain perminantly untouched. 

 

Did you close your wallet when they boosted Tirp's secondaries? And buffed its AA? 

[aethervox]

OP has a valid point.

 Players invest time or money (or both) into the game & their favourite ship(s).

These things are supposed to be 'ready to play', 'supertestered', etc.

 Then, WG changes things, usually, due to stupid additions/subtractions.

WG has done the same to WoT - just wonderful when they screw over your favourite vehicle.

Just wonderful, too, when they screw over your favourite ship here in WoWS.

[tm63au]

26 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

 

Did you close your wallet when they boosted Tirp's secondaries? And buffed its AA? 

Oh well put sir as for what the OP has written there could be a  good case in what he has written but you have to roll with the punches and take the good with the bad .

I have just about all German Battleships ( including the Premiums ones and I can live with it  ) I may not be happy about it sometimes when they change things but adapt to the changes.

Besides if a enemy ship is in secondary range of a German BB he should be dead meat that's what there main armaments for.

regards   

[Komrade_Rylo]

2 hours ago, Raptor_alcor said:

The ships capabilities will remain utterly unchanged, they just get an actual counter now and this is what the game desperately needs. 

 

It's a minor nerf, but BBs seriously don't need a nerf, people just need to quit being idiots and not get close to the damn things, bc their crap outside of 10km

[USMC2145]

If the nerfing keeps up like it has been we will all be sailing in 

 

[The_GoDDfather]

2 hours ago, WanderingGhost said:

Okay, first off chicken little - these are SUPERTEST STATS. Just cause ST gets it does not mean it gets put to live. This is why ST members sign an NDA to hopefully prevent them from talking about things like this where people get hysterical or rage or whatever over a change Wargaming simply went "what if we try changing that?"

 

Second off - What nerfs, the most I can find is to the secondaries. And going by the information that isn't hard to tell if it's the BB's too or just the cruisers, it's a reduction in fire chance, so that the 88's and 105's have it at 4 and 5% as opposed to 7 and 9, which when you consider the volume of fire, and the accuracy of those guns, especially with most putting on manual secondaries, is a lot, especially since they won't nerf fires in the first place. Also, a max damage change from 1100 to 1000 and 1300 to 1200. Now, lets assume you actually have them hitting something they can actually pen, want to know how much damage that really is?

 

330 down to 300, 390 down to 360. A full pen is only 30% or if I'm mis-remembering 33%, which changes that number very little, of max shell damage. So, maybe, against say, Leander, or something else very weak you may lose the full 100 but at best realistically your losing 30-33 damage per shot. on guns that A: rarely pen save maybe DD's that have low HP anyway and B: have a fairly high rate of fire and aren't even the main firepower of German BB's, it's the AP firing 150 mm guns that can citadel some of the cruisers.

 

I've gotten to Bismarck, I own Tirp and Scharn, and given, if it actually gets through testing it's a global change, the one thing that will apply to premiums, I really could care less because sure, they are great for dealing with silly DD's and light cruisers but still, especially in the case of scharn, really are better at making use of their primaries for damage with the secondaries an added bonus to anyone that strays too close. 

^

 

Meanwhile I would've said:

"Oh, a secondary nerf, saw that coming. Meh, only a hit to the smaller ones. Not like I rely on those for consistent damage. Just some pretty fireworks and hilarity."

 

I will continue to plow faces with my Tirpitz and Scharnhorst, because the primary guns are what I use 95% of the time.

[thegamefilmguruman]

2 hours ago, awiggin said:

Will affect premiums, since the change is to the guns, not ships.

I'd agree, but then the nerf to the VMF line's guns (later reverted) didn't affect Gremy's, so who knows.

[_WaveRider_]

20 minutes ago, aethervox said:

OP has a valid point.

 Players invest time or money (or both) into the game & their favourite ship(s).

These things are supposed to be 'ready to play', 'supertestered', etc.

 Then, WG changes things, usually, due to stupid additions/subtractions.

WG has done the same to WoT - just wonderful when they screw over your favourite vehicle.

Just wonderful, too, when they screw over your favourite ship here in WoWS.

I'm not sure he does.

If you choose to buy a Premium then that is your choice. There is no guarantee that it will not change; yes WG will try not to change it, they have stated as much, but there is no guarantee. It makes good sense to try not to change items purchased, as it would make people wary - take those that bought a premium for OWSF like the Blyska.

 

Surely it comes down to balance? - Being annoyed at the upcoming 'possible' changes to BBs, I would assume OP may have been happy with those changes to OWSF? Well that also affected Premiums as stated, but the general consensus seems it was a good change - again for balance. Personally I wouldn't mind a change to a Premium if required, the game continually evolves and the ships and their capabilities within the game should do so too. 

[IronWolfV]

Moaning and wailing over a few percentage points off fire chance on secondaries? Bunch of damn babbies. And I own both Scharnhorst and Tirpitz.

 

Buff a ship noone bats an eyelash. Nerf a ship and everyone loses their damn minds.

 

People really need to get over the fact that WG can and will change any aspect of this game as they see fit. You don't own a damn thing, WG does. All we paid for, is the privilege to use a premium ship, that's it.

[_WaveRider_]

28 minutes ago, TalonV said:

Moaning and wailing over a few percentage points off fire chance on secondaries? Bunch of damn babbies. And I own both Scharnhorst and Tirpitz.

 

Buff a ship noone bats an eyelash. Nerf a ship and everyone loses their damn minds.

 

People really need to get over the fact that WG can and will change any aspect of this game as they see fit. You don't own a damn thing, WG does. All we paid for, is the privilege to use a premium ship, that's it.

Whoa there sailor! I suggest you get back into bed and get out of it on the right side! 

 

Yes people need to understand WG can change what they want (and maybe most people do!), but that doesn't stop them being able to comment on it. Like you commenting on their thoughts - if a little strongly lol. 

[Canadatron]

Blanket change = Premiums get hit too. Enjoy.

[Raptor_alcor]

3 hours ago, Taichunger said:

 

Did you close your wallet when they boosted Tirp's secondaries? And buffed its AA? 

Tirpz didn't get an AA buff, she's still got very very weak AA outside of the long range guns and those have been pretty good since the AA alterations that took focus off the mid and short a bit. 

 

But to properly answer your question my personal wallet has been closed for months due to various factors that just built up over time.  (didn't stop many of my friends from constantly gifting me ships because they know I still play the game)

[Taichunger]

1 minute ago, Raptor_alcor said:

Tirpz didn't get an AA buff, she's still got very very weak AA outside of the long range guns and those have been pretty good since the AA alterations that took focus off the mid and short a bit. 

 

But to properly answer your question my personal wallet has been closed for months due to various factors that just built up over time.  (didn't stop many of my friends from constantly gifting me ships because they know I still play the game)

 

Tirp got an AA buff some time after she was first sold, after I bought her. That was her first buff.

 

Then she got the secondary buff.

 

I think she got some very minor armor buff as well, but I can't remember. 

[Raptor_alcor]

1 minute ago, Taichunger said:

 

Tirp got an AA buff some time after she was first sold, after I bought her. That was her first buff.

 

Then she got the secondary buff.

 

I think she got some very minor armor buff as well, but I can't remember. 

If she did get said buff then it certantly is not noticable, you sure it wasn't just part of the AA rework where her formerly trash all arround AA got restructured to the 105s having a better effect with the smaller guns being even worse?

[DemonGod3]

1 minute ago, Raptor_alcor said:

If she did get said buff then it certantly is not noticable, you sure it wasn't just part of the AA rework where her formerly trash all arround AA got restructured to the 105s having a better effect with the smaller guns being even worse?

I also remember her getting an AA buff at some point, but as you say, it wasn't earth shattering.

[Raptor_alcor]

Just now, DemonGod3 said:

I also remember her getting an AA buff at some point, but as you say, it wasn't earth shattering.

Well, huh so be it. Still going to say the buff it did recieve (that I can't remember happening, my shoddy memory in work again) still is nothing special as the shiny horse arguably has better AA and the tier 7 main line fully upgraded 100% certantly has better AA. 

 

1 hour ago, Shadow_NA said:

If the nerfing keeps up like it has been we will all be sailing in 

 

 

Now as for this pile of horse... buffing and nerfing is the way of life of any living breathing game, this kind of sensational BULL is just a method of disgruntled fools trying to blow everything out of proportion.