Why Bother Shooting??

[KalishniKat]

Hit a New Mexico 70 times from my Emile Bertin, doing a grand total of 3400 damage. How is that even possible? Set 2 fires, got 1 incapacitation...3400 damage?????  What a waste of time. Tried to get a screen shot but can't seem to make it work. Did manage to hit her with 1 torpedo for and extra 8k damage, but this is just ridiculous. What's the point of shooting at a target that for some reason is immune to my hits?

[Abo89]

3 minutes ago, KalishniKat said:

Hit a New Mexico 70 times from my Emile Bertin, doing a grand total of 3400 damage. How is that even possible? Set 2 fires, got 1 incapacitation...3400 damage?????  What a waste of time. Tried to get a screen shot but can't seem to make it work. Did manage to hit her with 1 torpedo for and extra 8k damage, but this is just ridiculous. What's the point of shooting at a target that for some reason is immune to my hits?

 trying to get them fires. Some cruisers are just better against DDs

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

Where were you shooting the NM? What where you shooting at the NM? Its hard to know why the target was immune without any details. 

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

I have an Emile Bertin and I can't say I've experienced anything quite like that. I suppose it's possible that you just had really bad luck that match..

[Teske]

7 minutes ago, 1nv4d3rZ1m said:

Where were you shooting the NM? What where you shooting at the NM? Its hard to know why the target was immune without any details. 

^^^ yes, Details Man! We have no clue as to the conditions (was the area already damage saturated, were you shooting where it has too much armor, were the AA guns soaking up all the damage from your shots, etc.) there are many possible explanations as to why your fire was ineffective, you have to help us help you.

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

I think we can safely gather from his post that he at least fired some HE.

[rustydawg]

Was in a British Cruiser one day, I believe a Leander or one tier below, shot at a BB with around 35 hits and did 0 (ZERO) damage!!!

 

I know your PAIN! 

[m373x]

Have some dignity.

[Abo89]

6 minutes ago, rustydawg said:

Was in a British Cruiser one day, I believe a Leander or one tier below, shot at a BB with around 35 hits and did 0 (ZERO) damage!!!

 

I know your PAIN! 

The only thing I don't get is how I still manage to do damage in my Farragut though. Guess it's just ROF

[1SneakyDevil]

13 minutes ago, Hiroe said:

I think we can safely gather from his post that he at least fired some HE.

 

I think we can also safely gather that he was hitting parts of the ship he couldn't penetrate repeatedly and never adjusted his aim much.

[Snargfargle]

2 minutes ago, 1SneakyDevil said:

 

I think we can also safely gather that he was hitting parts of the ship he couldn't penetrate repeatedly and never adjusted his aim much.

 

Exactly. When firing at a BB with smaller shells, rake it from bow to stern and also make sure your shells hit the deck and superstructure. 6" shells don't do much damage to the side of a battleship.

[Lert]

Try hitting the superstructure. NM's armor belt and most of the hull side is highly resistant to 155mm HE but the superstructure is not.

[KalishniKat]

Tomorrow I'll try and have my son help me get screen shot up (I'm a Luddite). All HE.....typical spam situation. 70 shots, as far as I know they were hitting all over, mostly in the rear part of the ship. Not broken shells or deflections, all listed as good hits. Pretty close range since I got a torpedo into her. It was like he had up Star Trek deflector shields or something..never seen anything like this before. I love the Bertin. had a 116k game with her..a loss...I play her well have a good WTR with her and yet loose most of the time. Not a lucky ship. 

[Abo89]

2 minutes ago, KalishniKat said:

Tomorrow I'll try and have my son help me get screen shot up (I'm a Luddite). All HE.....typical spam situation. 70 shots, as far as I know they were hitting all over, mostly in the rear part of the ship. Not broken shells or deflections, all listed as good hits. Pretty close range since I got a torpedo into her. It was like he had up Star Trek deflector shields or something..never seen anything like this before. I love the Bertin. had a 116k game with her..a loss...I play her well have a good WTR with her and yet loose most of the time. Not a lucky ship. 

I don't think with HE you can have a clean hit and still have 0 damage. 

[Lert]

1 minute ago, Abo89 said:

I don't think with HE you can have a clean hit and still have 0 damage. 

Sure you can. If 155mm HE hits a plate thicker than 25.8mm it does 0 damage.

[Abo89]

Just now, Lert said:

Sure you can. If 155mm HE hits a plate thicker than 25.8mm it does 0 damage.

No I meant how Kat said they weren't shattering. I meant a penetration hit when I said clean hit.

[Lert]

1 minute ago, Abo89 said:

No I meant how Kat said they weren't shattering. I meant a penetration hit when I said clean hit.

You can hit an external module (Torp tubes, AA mount, secondary etc) and get a penetration ribbon without doing damage to the hull itself. That's not gonna happen 70x in a row though.

I'm still convinced he put the majority of his shots into the NM's hull, not the superstructure.

[Abo89]

Just now, Lert said:

You can hit an external module (Torp tubes, AA mount, secondary etc) and get a penetration ribbon without doing damage to the hull itself. That's not gonna happen 70x in a row though.

I'm still convinced he put the majority of his shots into the NM's hull, not the superstructure.

That's true, which I think is B.S. cause I think I've heard it also mitigates your fire chance.

[Lert]

Just now, Abo89 said:

I think I've heard it also mitigates your fire chance.

I don't believe it does, but have no proof either way. I wonder if I could SCIENCE it. Hmmmmm. What's the most reliably accurate HE thrower in the game? Katori with ASM0?

[Abo89]

Just now, Lert said:

I don't believe it does, but have no proof either way. I wonder if I could SCIENCE it. Hmmmmm. What's the most reliably accurate HE thrower in the game? Katori with ASM0?

Yea def if you could figure it out that would be great. I know I've read that in some guides that both HE shells and bombs lose their ability to do damage or start fires when hitting modules.

[Lert]

Testing now. My Iwaki Alpha (very accurate, single guns) vs a Gneisenau (Large, exposed torpedo tube module).

 

<Edit> Still got fires.

[Kapitan_Wuff]

You must be aiming for the wrong part of the ship, fire into the superstructure.

[Abo89]

7 minutes ago, Lert said:

Testing now. My Iwaki Alpha (very accurate, single guns) vs a Gneisenau (Large, exposed torpedo tube module).

 

<Edit> Still got fires.

 Good to know. 

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

1 hour ago, 1SneakyDevil said:

 

I think we can also safely gather that he was hitting parts of the ship he couldn't penetrate repeatedly and never adjusted his aim much.

You better respect my friend.

[h9k_a]

1 hour ago, KalishniKat said:

Hit a New Mexico 70 times from my Emile Bertin, doing a grand total of 3400 damage. How is that even possible? Set 2 fires, got 1 incapacitation...3400 damage?????  What a waste of time. Tried to get a screen shot but can't seem to make it work. Did manage to hit her with 1 torpedo for and extra 8k damage, but this is just ridiculous. What's the point of shooting at a target that for some reason is immune to my hits?

Emile has 152mm guns. That means without IFHE, you cannot pen 25+mm armor. Your shells will register as hits, but unless you mouseover the hit indicator you won't know if they were pens, shatters, overpens or bounces. On the NM, the ONLY thing that you could hit and do shell damage would have been the superstructure (forward bridge, aft bridge and stack) which is 16mm. You can still start fires with shattered shells, but the only pen damage you could do would be to the superstructure.