That's a big responsibility that LWM has...

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

...with many of us waiting for her review of the Enterprise before we make our final decision on buying it.

You would think it'd be a no brainer at least for us in the ol' US of A, after all it's the ENTERPRISE for pete's sake. However WoWS saddling it with a couple new gimmicks that could produce a ship less than viable in the game has given me as well as many others a reason to pause and give the purchase a second thought.

It's been said before but for all the work she puts in for us it doesn't get said enough but I for one appreciate all that she does for us and without getting paid for it to boot.

No matter what I decide on buying the Enterprise I'll just jump the gun and shout out a big THANK YOU Little White Mouse for all your work putting together a review for us.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

If you want the big e for historical/collectability reasons... you're going to buy it anyways.

 

Bluntly, even if Enterprise is good, most of you shouldn't be buying her. Not for gameplay. Not unless you're a high tier CV player which... very few people are.

[Lampshade_M1A2]

You do know that other people do quality reviews too right? Or is this another fanboism thread? She could start up a cult if she wanted.

On the topic of Enterprise the notion that she is going to be under-powered (especially after the impressive Kaga was just released) is troubling.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

1 minute ago, Lampshade_M1A2 said:

On the topic of Enterprise the notion that she is going to be under-powered (especially after the impressive Kaga was just released) is troubling.

 

It's looking like she will have less capability with torpedos in exchange for 40k db strikes. I think a lot of seasoned CV players won't like giving up their ability to attack DDs (semi)reliably, though, since DDs both have a big impact on match outcome but are also some of the few ships left that don't always have much AA.

 

We'll see what the reviewers' final verdicts are.

[Goodwood_Alpha]

At this point I doubt even Mouse could convince me to pay for the Enterprise. As much as I love the ship and her legacy, WG's implementation seems to be just utter rubbish, according to other reviewers.

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

4 minutes ago, Lampshade_M1A2 said:

You do know that other people do quality reviews too right? Or is this another fanboism thread? She could start up a cult if she wanted.

On the topic of Enterprise the notion that she is going to be under-powered (especially after the impressive Kaga was just released) is troubling.

Well I wouldn't call myself a fanboi but I do find her reviews to be more digestible(usable) than some others. If someone does want to start a LWM cult I could see why but I've never been much of a follower so count me out.

[m373x]

Wait, are you telling me that her Enterprise review is still not up?

[renegadestatuz]

1 minute ago, m373x said:

Wait, are you telling me that her Enterprise review is still not up?

Correct. It is not finished yet.

[BaronVonTom]

I also find her reviews and Ichase reviews to be very helpful.  Both of them speak the language of the regular player.  Easy to read, view and understand.  I am somewhat troubled that her review is not out yet.  The night before it goes on sale would be perfect timing for her.  BUT, I certainly hope WG isn't making her wait until after it goes on sale.  There has been so much negative about this CV it wouldn't surprise me if WG did that.  I hope I am wrong about this.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

4 minutes ago, BaronVonTom said:

I also find her reviews and Ichase reviews to be very helpful.  Both of them speak the language of the regular player.  Easy to read, view and understand.  I am somewhat troubled that her review is not out yet.  The night before it goes on sale would be perfect timing for her.  BUT, I certainly hope WG isn't making her wait until after it goes on sale.  There has been so much negative about this CV it wouldn't surprise me if WG did that.  I hope I am wrong about this.

 

This is a good thing, and why so many people trust her. It means she is being very careful and thorough about it, including the recent changes... while a bunch of people have condemned Enterprise based on reviews from before she received buffs and an entirely new mechanic to the game.

 

I don't think WG would be so heavy handed as to say... you can't release your review yet?

[Grizley]

My go to two for reviews are Flamu and Notser.  They tend to want the same things out of a ship I do and my opinion of a ship tends to fall along theirs more often than not.

 

Though I will admit, Flamu and CVs is not um... playing to his strengths. 

[m373x]

5 minutes ago, BaronVonTom said:

I also find her reviews and Ichase reviews to be very helpful.  Both of them speak the language of the regular player.  Easy to read, view and understand.  I am somewhat troubled that her review is not out yet.  The night before it goes on sale would be perfect timing for her.  BUT, I certainly hope WG isn't making her wait until after it goes on sale.  There has been so much negative about this CV it wouldn't surprise me if WG did that.  I hope I am wrong about this.

 

I find ichase's reviews to be heavily biased far too often.

[EmperorMaxwell]

Please, everyone waiting for Enterprise might as well expect to be disappointed because unless it is so horrifically OP (like Imp Nick) that this will be the only time they will sell it, the forums will be filled with posts crying about how "under-powered" the almighty Big E supposedly is.

[Umikami]

29 minutes ago, Carrier_Ikoma said:

Bluntly, even if Enterprise is good, most of you shouldn't be buying her.

Thank God CV's are restricted by MM, or we would surely be having matches like those of the Tirpitz release; 12 Tirps vs 12 Tirps

(oh, and I'm sorry Mouse; this is YOUR thread. Thank you again for all your hard work since 2015, endless reviews, all of which you have donated because of a love of the game. Sometimes a simple thumbs up just isn't enough; so, sincerely:

THANK YOU!!)

[BaronVonTom]

1 minute ago, EmperorMaxwell said:

Please, everyone waiting for Enterprise might as well expect to be disappointed because unless it is so horrifically OP (like Imp Nick) that this will be the only time they will sell it, the forums will be filled with posts crying about how "under-powered" the almighty Big E supposedly is.

I, unfortunately, think you are spot on correct.

[Grizley]

Just now, EmperorMaxwell said:

Please, everyone waiting for Enterprise might as well expect to be disappointed because unless it is so horrifically OP (like Imp Nick) that this will be the only time they will sell it, the forums will be filled with posts crying about how "under-powered" the almighty Big E supposedly is.

 

OP?  You mean like the Kaga?

 

Yes, I assume that most people will directly compare to the Kaga and expect to see a tiers worth of difference between the two.  Last I saw, the Kaga is actually better than the Enterprise, despite being a tier lower.  Considering that tier is the difference between seeing Des Moines and not seeing Des Moines, that's a pretty critical tier.  AA has a big jump between 9 and 10. 

[renegadestatuz]

2 minutes ago, Grizley said:

 

OP?  You mean like the Kaga?

 

Yes, I assume that most people will directly compare to the Kaga and expect to see a tiers worth of difference between the two.  Last I saw, the Kaga is actually better than the Enterprise, despite being a tier lower.  Considering that tier is the difference between seeing Des Moines and not seeing Des Moines, that's a pretty critical tier.  AA has a big jump between 9 and 10. 

This.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

4 minutes ago, Grizley said:

 

OP?  You mean like the Kaga?

 

But somehow Kaga having undertiered planes and being helpless against high tier AA in high tier battles is OK, but the exactly same thing is not OK for Enterprise for some reason...

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

Yeah USS Enterprise CV looks pretty OP to me... lol

Spoiler

 

[Big_Spud]

With how fundamentally flawed the CV mechanics are and have been for years at this point, with quite literally no sign of any actual improvement beyond "lol here have some more RNG bombers and stupid gimmicks :^ )))))))))))))))))))))))))), 2016 2017 will be the year of the carrier!", I don't see why people even have expectations anymore. They're just trying to milk the few CV players left for cash before they drop the fact that they aren't actually doing a CV rework because they are clearly balanced perfectly and WG has no clue how to actually make their own game.

 

What an absolute joke.

[Grizley]

Just now, Carrier_Ikoma said:

 

But somehow Kaga having undertiered planes and being helpless against high tier AA in high tier battles is OK, but the exactly same thing is not OK for Enterprise for some reason...

 

Either you're being deliberately disingenuous or you have no idea what the Enterprise is like.

 

The Kaga has an absolutely crapton of TBs, yes, they're under tiered, but it hardly matters.  They have plenty of them and a good drop pattern.

 

The Enterprise has enough spares to replace the strike aircraft once, and a ton of fighters.  That is a not a useful setup.  It's the bombers that go against higher tier AA, not the fighters.  It's entirely possible for the Enterprise to be completely out of aircraft in the first 5 minutes of a battle thanks to "surprise Des Moines" or "lol Minotaur".  This is not true for the Kaga, even replacing those ships with Baltimore and Neptune.

[Carrier_Ikoma]

1 minute ago, Grizley said:

The Enterprise has enough spares to replace the strike aircraft once, and a ton of fighters.  That is a not a useful setup.  

 

Not in the NA meta, no. But I wouldn't be surprised if they move some of the hanger capacity over to bombers, especially DBs to emphasize the new AP bombs...

[hipcanuck]

I'll be getting it no matter what she says. My Kaga WR is horrible and yet Im 10+k damage over average, I suspect I'll end up with the same stats on big E too.  If everyone sucks in Enterprise I suspect WG will fix it, but Im sure dozens of players who dont have 50 games in a CV will be all over it and be horribly disappointed when they get wiped out by AA.

[USSWest_Virginia]

Why would they choose the Enterprise of all ships to mess with? Its like they are trying to make people angry. All they had to do was give her a decent load out and a reasonable torp drop and I would have been happy. 

[Grizley]

8 minutes ago, Carrier_Ikoma said:

 

Not in the NA meta, no. But I wouldn't be surprised if they move some of the hanger capacity over to bombers, especially DBs to emphasize the new AP bombs...

 

If they had an ounce of brain they would just give the Hellcats bombs.  It's not unreasonable to have the Enterprise packed with Hellcats, the difference is the real Enterprise had the option to load up half of the Hellcats with 2500lbs of bombs and go wreck ships if the Japanese didn't have enough fighters to worry them.

 

No matter the meta, the Enterprise setup is not good.  It has under tiered bombers, and few of them, so it will lose them rapidly and can't replace them.  It has more fighters than a reasonable person could lose, even in a AS vs AS setup.

 

EDIT:  Just had a thought.  Give the Hellcats AP bombs and the Dauntless HE.  Or swap it.  So you have both types of bomb available, and using one costs you AS power.