Top 10 most famous ships in history

[dseehafer]

Greetings all,

 

So this was released today..

 

 

I don't agree at all with the list. All but 3 ships are American... really?

 

Here's my list...

 

1: Titanic (Seriously, who doesn't know of the Titanic? There is no better ship for the number 1 slot.)

2: Arizona (I agree with this one as well, you can't pick up a WWII book, or even a school history book, without reading about the Arizona.)

3: Bismarck (Again, I agree here too. Just like Arizona, the hunt for Bismarck will be in any good WWII book, furthermore, she's the subject of a lot of History and Military channel TV shows.)

4: HMS Dreadnought (That this ship was not on the list is a travesty, she made every other ship on earth obsolete overnight. Though certainly more influential than Bismarck, I don't think she's as well known.)

5: USS Enterprise (She and Dreadnought could be interchangeable, while not a world-changing design like Dred, she certainly has a much more interesting history. Is she as well known as Bismarck though? I don't think so. But there's certainly an argument there.)

6: Lusitania (The sinking of this ship effectively changed the pace of WWI. Even before her sinking she was famous for being the fastest liner in the world)

7: HMS Victory (One of the biggest ships from the age of sail, massively powerful, great history, still exists today. Nuf said)

8: Monitor (Being the first warship with a turret is a big deal, and her history is also interesting. This ship deserves to be on the list for sure.)

9: HMS Hood (She may not be as famous as she once was, but, thanks in part to Bismarck publicity, this is one ship that history will never forget.)

10: Seawise Giant (The largest ship ever built, people know her from googling "largest ship ever built". Just like everyone knows Burj Khalifa is the tallest building, by googling it. People tend to be drawn towards big things)

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

 

 

[HowitzerBlitzer]

Arizona is only famous because of the loss of life that came with it, even though the list of losses is small compared to some other ships in the war. That, and there's footage of it.

[dseehafer]

15 minutes ago, HowitzerBlitzer said:

Arizona is only famous because of the loss of life that came with it, even though the list of losses is small compared to some other ships in the war. That, and there's footage of it.

 

Doesn't matter why/how she's famous, just that she is.

[HowitzerBlitzer]

1 minute ago, dseehafer said:

Doesn't matter why/how she's famous, just that she is.

 

Yep, and we have to put up people talking about it even though they don't know much about it other than the day, time, place, and who made the attack. Usually so they can only get away with being racist on Facebook.

[desmo_2]

3 minutes ago, HowitzerBlitzer said:

 

Usually so they can only get away with being racist on Facebook.

Wait...what?

[BrushWolf]

34 minutes ago, dseehafer said:

 

 

Here's my list...

 

1: Titanic (Seriously, who doesn't know of the Titanic? There is no better ship for the number 1 slot.)

2: Arizona (I agree with this one as well, you can't pick up a WWII book, or even a school history book, without reading about the Arizona.)

3: Bismarck (Again, I agree here too. Just like Arizona, the hunt for Bismarck will be in any good WWII book, furthermore, she's the subject of a lot of History and Military channel TV shows.)

4: HMS Dreadnought (That this ship was not on the list is a travesty, she made every other ship on earth obsolete overnight. Though certainly more influential than Bismarck, I don't think she's as well known.)

5: USS Enterprise (She and Dreadnought could be interchangeable, while not a world-changing design like Dred, she certainly has a much more interesting history. Is she as well known as Bismarck though? I don't think so. But there's certainly an argument there.)

6: Lusitania (The sinking of this ship effectively changed the pace of WWI. Even before her sinking she was famous for being the fastest liner in the world)

7: HMS Victory (One of the biggest ships from the age of sail, massively powerful, great history, still exists today. Nuf said)

8: Monitor (Being the first warship with a turret is a big deal, and her history is also interesting. This ship deserves to be on the list for sure.)

9: HMS Hood (She may not be as famous as she once was, but, thanks in part to Bismarck publicity, this is one ship that history will never forget.)

10: Seawise Giant (The largest ship ever built, people know her from googling "largest ship ever built". Just like everyone knows Burj Khalifa is the tallest building, by googling it. People tend to be drawn towards big things)

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

 

 

 

The USS Constitution should be on your list.

[Doomlock]

I would add Old Ironsides in there, she is the oldest ship afloat and is pretty well known.

[HowitzerBlitzer]

7 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

Wait...what?

 

Some people in their 50's and 60's forgot that the war ended, even before they were born.

[Wowzery]

9 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

Wait...what?

That was my thought.  Just didn't follow that line of thought.

[BrushWolf]

17 minutes ago, Doomlock said:

I would add Old Ironsides in there, she is the oldest ship afloat and is pretty well known.

 

More than that her combat record is stellar.

[SteffisCute]

Where is Noah's Ark?

Where are the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria?

Where is Nautilus?

 

 

[dseehafer]

6 minutes ago, LordSteve said:

Where is Noah's Ark?

Where are the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria?

Where is Nautilus?

 

 

 

Submarines are not ships.

 

The others, though, are all valid options as well.

[Chobittsu]

It really depends on where you're from. If you're from Japan, people would demand that Yamato be on the list. If you're Canadian, people would demand that Blue Nose or Haida be on the list

[Eisennagel]

 

I would certainly add Noah's Ark to the list.  

 

Other ships I would deem most famous or infamous:

 

The Flying Dutchman

The Queen Anne's Revenge

The Mayflower

The Nina

La Pinta

The Victoria

The Bounty or HMS Bounty

The Mary Celeste

The Yamato

 

For Science

 

HMS Beagle

HMS Endeavor

 

Mythical?

 

The Argo

 

If you want to include movies,

 

The Black Pearl

 

Made famous in TV

 

 

[CaptainKaitoGhost]

Boaty McBoatface

 

Edmund Fitzgerald 

[TonboIV]

Yamato might be in there too. She was the biggest battleship ever, and her history, if not very auspicious, goes way beyond the ship itself to being a metaphor of the downfall of the Japanese Empire and the dominance of battleships.

Mayflower should certainly be famous among Americans at least, which arguably makes her one of the worlds most famous ships straight away.

Santa Maria should probably be on anyone's list.

Mary Rose might be worth including simply for what's happened since her recovery, and you can actually go and see her.

Of course, this list will very a lot by who makes it. For Canadians, we'd have Edmond Fitzgerald, SS Mont-Blanc, and Blue Nose high on our list (it's on our damn dimes!). Maybe HMCS Haida too.

The Japanese would probably never make such a list without mentioning Mikasa, or Perry's "Black Ships".

[Edselman]

If the list is strictly military than the USS Constitution and HMS Victory should be there along with newer ships like the Bismarck, Iowa, Enterprise, and Yamato.

If it's just ships overall, then Noah's Ark is probably number one with other ships like the Titanic and Santa Maria in the list.

[1Sherman]

On 6/27/2017 at 9:13 PM, dseehafer said:

 

 

 

The others, though, are all valid options as well.

 

Noah's Ark, like everything else in religious texts, should be taken with a nice big dosage of salt with regards to history. What likely happened (assuming that the story is based in even a small amount of truth) was that Noah was some random farmer dude who, not long after the most recent Ice Age ended, figured out that the Black Sea was flooding because of the melting glaciers. As such. he put together a small raft, loaded up his livestock and his family, and rode it out until the floodwaters cleared away. Also, the Bluenose and the Cutty Sark should be on the list. The former was the fastest schooner in the Maritimes during her heyday and the latter is the only surviving tea clipper in the world (and one of the fastest tall ships ever built).

[Edselman]

36 minutes ago, 1Sherman said:

 

Noah's Ark, like everything else in religious texts, should be taken with a nice big dosage of salt with regards to history. What likely happened (assuming that the story is based in even a small amount of truth) was that Noah was some random farmer dude who, not long after the most recent Ice Age ended, figured out that the Black Sea was flooding because of the melting glaciers. As such. he put together a small raft, loaded up his livestock and his family, and rode it out until the floodwaters cleared away. Also, the Bluenose and the Cutty Sark should be on the list. The former was the fastest schooner in the Maritimes during her heyday and the latter is the only surviving tea clipper in the world (and one of the fastest tall ships ever built).

Relatively recently, a stone formation was found somewhere east, maybe Turkey I don't remember for sure. But anyway, this stone formation happened to look like the skeleton of an ancient ship. Noah's Ark, according to the Bible, measured 300 cubits long (roughly 450 feet, cubits were the length from the tip of your middle finger to your elbow so everyone's varied), 50 cubits in width (75 feet), and 30 cubits in height (45 feet). This formation happened to fit these measurements. They took a sample from the structure and found it wasn't made of "rock" at all, but was petrified wood . . . 

Well we are getting too religious in the discussion and should probably stop talking about Noah's Ark. 

[1Sherman]

5 minutes ago, Edselman said:

Relatively recently, a stone formation was found somewhere east, maybe Turkey I don't remember for sure. But anyway, this stone formation happened to look like the skeleton of an ancient ship. Noah's Ark, according to the Bible, measured 300 cubits long (roughly 450 feet, cubits were the length from the tip of your middle finger to your elbow so everyone's varied), 50 cubits in width (75 feet), and 30 cubits in height (45 feet). This formation happened to fit these measurements. They took a sample from the structure and found it wasn't made of "rock" at all, but was petrified wood . . . 

 

Well we are getting too religious in the discussion and should probably stop talking about Noah's Ark. 

 

Before we do that, can I see your source?

[Edselman]

6 minutes ago, 1Sherman said:

 

Before we do that, can I see your source?

Google "Noah's Ark found in Turkey" and you'll find multiple sources as well as pictures. The thing is that the stuff I said is true, I kid you not that they found that in Turkey. The thing is many of the scientists acknowledge that the formation is there, they just don't believe it's Noah's Ark and are trying to debunk it.

[Chobittsu]

4 minutes ago, Edselman said:

Google "Noah's Ark found in Turkey" and you'll find multiple sources as well as pictures. The thing is that the stuff I said is true, I kid you not that they found that in Turkey. The thing is many of the scientists acknowledge that the formation is there, they just don't believe it's Noah's Ark and are trying to debunk it.

Well if you can't back that up with fact, I'd love to chew it apart with more-solid fact , such as where were the fresh-water fish stored? In the bilge? Are you aware of just how long it takes for anything to fossilize (that's what petrified wood is)? It certainly also does not happen on top of a mountain, it occurs underground. How about the salt-water animals that would die off from the sudden influx of freshwater? Where did all this extra water vanish to?
And that a number of species currently known vastly outpaces the usable space within the ark . Not to mention the inbreeding that would be required for genetic diversity and to above mutations.

You guy's brought religion into this by referencing a "ship" that is likely fictional to begin with. Your bible was meant to be taken metaphorically, to guide you with stories and tales. It's not an exact historical text.

"Debunking" it would require that it is absolutely true, however, aside from a book that has been rewritten countless times in the past 2000 years, there is no evidence to support the tale

[Edselman]

1 minute ago, Chobittsu said:

Well if you can't back that up with fact, I'd love to chew it apart with more-solid fact , such as where were the fresh-water fish stored? In the bilge? Are you aware of just how long it takes for anything to fossilize? It certainly also does not happen on top of a mountain, it occurs underground. How about the salt-water animals that would die off from the sudden influx of freshwater? Where did all this extra water vanish to?
And that a number of species currently known vastly outpaces the usable space within the ark . Not to mention the inbreeding that would be required for genetic diversity and to above mutations.

You guy's brought religion into this by referencing a "ship" that is likely fictional to begin with. Your bible was meant to be taken metaphorically, to guide you with stories and tales. It's not an exact historical text.

"Debunking" it would require that it is absolutely true, however, aside from a book that has been rewritten countless times in the past 2000 years, there is no evidence to support the tale

I can easily explain and answer everything you just asked using the Bible, but it probably isn't wise to keep this debate up, which is why I suggested we drop it.

[Chobittsu]

13 minutes ago, Edselman said:

I can easily explain and answer everything you just asked using the Bible, but it probably isn't wise to keep this debate up, which is why I suggested we drop it.

Then I'll just go around religion and use something even older.
According to an ancient tablet, dating back to about 2100 BCE, the hero Gilgamesh meets the immortal man Utnapishtim, and the latter describes how the god Ea instructed him to build a huge vessel in anticipation of a deity-created flood that would destroy the world. The vessel would save Utnapishtim, his family, his friends, and the animals.
So why don't we include fictional boats as well, if that will make you happy. Such as Atet, Khufu's ship, the Argo. The Red October. The Millennium Falcon. That Sampan that was shot up in Apocalypse Now

[Edselman]

20 minutes ago, Chobittsu said:

Then I'll just go around religion and use something even older.
According to an ancient tablet, dating back to about 2100 BCE, the hero Gilgamesh meets the immortal man Utnapishtim, and the latter describes how the god Ea instructed him to build a huge vessel in anticipation of a deity-created flood that would destroy the world. The vessel would save Utnapishtim, his family, his friends, and the animals.
So why don't we include fictional boats as well, if that will make you happy

Alright, the thing is there's proof to suggest the ark existed, but not 100%, at the same time you can give what you consider proof that suggests the ark never existed, but is could never amount to 100%. We don't know and with something as old as this it all depends on what you believe in. All I said was that they found this in Turkey, that part at least is confirmed. 

 

Since you don't seem to be willing to drop it, I will before the mods come and close the thread.

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P.S. Noah's Flood occurred around 4,500 years ago, pre-dating the narrative you gave a link to. Many cultures around that area all had various flood myths, suggesting that something of that sort may have happened or else why would multiple groups give narratives of a similar story?