RN heavy CA

[Jaynie]

I eagerly await to see how WG will balance the 8 inch cruisers of the Royal Navy.  Because every ship needs to be balanced to its tier and the 6 gun versions will have to be some tough cookies to face its its fellows no matter what tier they go into. Any thoughts?

[Cruxdei]

it's not that hard to balance a entire line of scrapped ships except a some yorks.

[BBsquid]

I think, personally, that they are going to be challenging to balance. One the one hand, there weren't that many, and because of the steep cost of the Great War, the UK preferred more economical CLs for trade protection duties. As far as real heavies, you only had three classes-Hawkins, the Counties ( and Kent, London, and Norfolk sub classes)  and York classes. The earlier protected and armored cruisers might be difficult because of the small MB (many had 2x7" or 2x9" with a 6" SB if memory serves.) Have no clue about proposed CA plans or proposals OTTOMH.

It will be interesting to say the least. I also worry about how they will implement the R & R BCs..same number of guns as Gneis, but seriously inferior armor.

[crzyhawk]

they are so big, they will get hit like trucks. Pen and overpen city

 

[Jaynie]

Then the question is will WG even add the Heavy cruisers to the RN line, if not then there will be a fair amount of salt if peeps do not get their Yorks or Kents.

[Vaidency]

I think it's entirely likely there will never be a full British CA line.  If they are added at all I'd expect either a couple of premiums or maybe a shortened sub branch that only covers tier 6-8 like they did with the Japanese DD's.

[BBsquid]

5 minutes ago, Vaidency said:

I think it's entirely likely there will never be a full British CA line.  If they are added at all I'd expect either a couple of premiums or maybe a shortened sub branch that only covers tier 6-8 like they did with the Japanese DD's.

A cringe at the idea of putting a County at t8. it will get murdered. A better fit might be 4-5-6?

[Jaynie]

Well would they use the R&R BCs as higher tier heavy CAs. or will they do a separate BB line for the BCs ?  Also were there and paper CAs to fill in the CA line?  Its a subject I have not looked into.

[Cruxdei]

11 minutes ago, Jaynie said:

Then the question is will WG even add the Heavy cruisers to the RN line, if not then there will be a fair amount of salt if peeps do not get their Yorks or Kents.

royal navy is know about their dreadnoughts and aircraft carriers(and tea),not expensive and giant heavy cruisers where most of them if not all,sinked.

[crzyhawk]

13 minutes ago, Jaynie said:

Then the question is will WG even add the Heavy cruisers to the RN line, if not then there will be a fair amount of salt if peeps do not get their Yorks or Kents.

There will be salt regardless, because the ships will be utter trash.

[Jaynie]

Ah but WG will ensure they are balanced reguardless of their actual stats., we have all ready since this in the game.

[crzyhawk]

No, they will not.  The ships are huge, and will eat 33% penetrations like nobody's business.  The ships will be the worst heavy cruisers in game, bar none.

[Vaidency]

33 minutes ago, BBsquid said:

A cringe at the idea of putting a County at t8. it will get murdered. A better fit might be 4-5-6?

That would put the Hawkins, a cruiser bigger than the Aoba and with similar armament, at tier 4?

[Cruxdei]

21 minutes ago, crzyhawk said:

No, they will not.  The ships are huge, and will eat 33% penetrations like nobody's business.  The ships will be the worst heavy cruisers in game, bar none.

and if they come,they would be more fantasy ships than the current RN light cruisers line(AP only,lol) just for balance reasons.

[crzyhawk]

They can't fix the size of those ocean liners.  You could remove the citadel from those things and they would still melt.

[Cruxdei]

1 minute ago, crzyhawk said:

They can't fix the size of those ocean liners.  You could remove the citadel from those things and they would still melt.

make them pve objectives,protect the ocean liners.

[BBsquid]

12 minutes ago, Vaidency said:

That would put the Hawkins, a cruiser bigger than the Aoba and with similar armament, at tier 4?

stupid question but does WG base HP off standard or full load displacement? Cant remember off hand.

if the former, then theres only ~2000t diff. If the latter then they may be a problem. yet we have Hood at 7 with her t8+ hp....so clearly not that unheard of.

As an alternative...5-6-7. Regardless, as a few have said, RN CA's are gonna get smashed six ways from Sunday.

Best option is prems of the famous ones....Norfolk/Suffolk/Dorsetshire, Exeter, Canberra, etc...

[AnatolyDyatlovDidNothing]

Hawkins is probably best at T5, seems like a early Furutaka contemporary to me (which it kinda was). 7x single 7.5in guns just seems like utter trash at T6, but OP for T4. Exeter at T6, feels like Aoba, and a County at T7, reminds me of Yorck.

 

Beyond that, i believe there are enough paper designs  to potentially finish out a tree, but obviously those 3 (which would likely all suck) were the only ones to actually be built. 

[Seraphil]

Just gib muh Exeter premium and I'll be good

[Eisennagel]

6 hours ago, Jaynie said:

I eagerly await to see how WG will balance the 8 inch cruisers of the Royal Navy.  Because every ship needs to be balanced to its tier and the 6 gun versions will have to be some tough cookies to face its its fellows no matter what tier they go into. Any thoughts?

 

 

I can imagine that WG/Lesta may have already internally tested RN heavy cruisers in the days and months leading up to the British cruiser line, and concluded they will either suck or have much work ahead of them, and that its better to bring out the better and best ships out first, e.g. the light cruisers, or face a gruesome frustrating experience for the players trying to grind them.

 

They could lightly make it work through a system of test and feedback, adjusting the ships accordingly, but it will take time and effort, and they have other priorities in the meantime.

 

 

[212thAttackBattalion]

personally i doubt we'll only see the Heavy cruisers except in premium form (HMAS Australia or HMAS Canberra anyone?)

[UltimateNewbie]

Personally, I think the UK BB line and the UK CA line could be balanced by making them 1 or 2 tiers lower than their displacement would otherwise suggest.  This reflects the Royal Navy's historical tendency to be the first out with everything which - on paper - makes them all garbage when fighting later released vessels (as how this game is designed), but in reality means they would have faced off against eg armoured cruisers... Therefore, their only 4x8 inch guns wouldnt be totally UP against other heavy cruisers (or even DDs) at higher tiers.  

 

 

[Dr_Venture]

Napkin + vodka + rough idea for a royal navy cruiser = new line.

 

Hell look at the Soviet cruisers...

[Phoenix_jz]

I can only see a 5-6-7 for the Hawkins-York-County dynamic, although there will have to be buffs.

 

Then again, I also don't think it would be unrealistic to see a York-County setup, tier V and VI respectively, given that Furutaka has that C-hull now, and Algérie is a tier VII. That would mean no Hawkins, however.

 

Also, keep in mind now we have things like Henri IV in the game, some of the Churchill proposals don't really seem that much of a stretch. Their armament, 9.2" guns, is now smaller than that of Spee (11") and Henri IV (9.45").

[Trainspite]

Damn, another thread that I could say the same thing in. Roll on summer and free time.