Molotov IFHE

[k75fish]

Yes or No?

[Lert]

Without IFHE Molotov HE pens 30mm. With IFHE it pens 37.5mm. This means that with IFHE you can reliably damage T8+ battleship bows.

Personally I feel it's not worth the drop in fire chance.

[DerKrampus]

It's in that strange gray area, isn't it?  Not a light cruiser, but not yet a heavy cruiser.  

 

Lert is correct, though.  That's its only real advantage, and that advantage is only going to show itself in a very specific way; more consistent damage when firing at top-tier battleships, as bottom-tier.

 

Overall, I'm more inclined to try and maximize the Molotov's already-fantastic DoT potential.  Though, it does lead me to another question:  

 

How effective is Molotov's AP against broadside battleships?

[k75fish]

Thanks!. Question answered. Will not be getting IFHE

[k75fish]

25 minutes ago, DerKrampus said:

It's in that strange gray area, isn't it?  Not a light cruiser, but not yet a heavy cruiser.  

 

Lert is correct, though.  That's its only real advantage, and that advantage is only going to show itself in a very specific way; more consistent damage when firing at top-tier battleships, as bottom-tier.

 

Overall, I'm more inclined to try and maximize the Molotov's already-fantastic DoT potential.  Though, it does lead me to another question:  

 

How effective is Molotov's AP against broadside battleships?

Experimenting now ..... AP on broadside BB's

[k75fish]

The AP wrecks the NY

[k75fish]

1 hour ago, k75fish said:

The AP wrecks the NY

and the Kongo and New Mexico. 7500 salvos on the Scharnhorst as well. Its a champ

[Hurlbut]

And the belt armor doesn't cover the entire broadside. Just have a look-see with the armor viewer on the battleships you face often.

[tk208]

Just started using IFHE with Molotov the last few games, seems a massive improvement in damage so far...

[MarioKartMaster]

On 6/17/2017 at 11:07 AM, DerKrampus said:

It's in that strange gray area, isn't it?  Not a light cruiser, but not yet a heavy cruiser.  

 

Lert is correct, though.  That's its only real advantage, and that advantage is only going to show itself in a very specific way; more consistent damage when firing at top-tier battleships, as bottom-tier.

 

Overall, I'm more inclined to try and maximize the Molotov's already-fantastic DoT potential.  Though, it does lead me to another question:  

 

How effective is Molotov's AP against broadside battleships?

I have full penned a Bayern with Molotov AP, then again, it was at like 5km because of battle circumstances

[MarioKartMaster]

On 6/17/2017 at 10:52 AM, Lert said:

Without IFHE Molotov HE pens 30mm. With IFHE it pens 37.5mm. This means that with IFHE you can reliably damage T8+ battleship bows.

Personally I feel it's not worth the drop in fire chance.

Oh yeah... those fires. With demolition expert I get 16% chance per shell, one ranked match I chased a Bayern around the map while everyone else was fighting, my HE murdered him, and the fires too. I use steering gears modification so I can shift rudder faster so it's harder for my sides to get hit, with all 3 turrets being able to shoot most of the time. I almost killed him, but his repair party, and me having to break off the assault because he was going to where it wouldn't be safe for me, made it so I didn't kill him right then and there. But still, I almost killed him, and it was hilarious

[USS_Vancouver]

I like using AP, find it works great against cruisers and broadsides of battleships

 

[FOCUS_1_]

well it does have tier 9 guns so basically anything you shoot at a tier close to yours is gonna wreck em.

[NoCoGaming3645]

Pretty much the ONLY place that IFHE on a Molotov will help is being able to Pen the deck armor (including bow and stern decks) on T8 BBs, as they have 32mm deck armor. 180mm HE can already pen the deck of T7 and down BBs (which have 25mm armor), and has no problem with superstructure of any T8 or down. So IFHE will help you do more pen damage to T8 BBs, and that's it, at the cost of noticeably reducing your fire damage to EVERYTHING.

It's really not worth it for ANY ship to use IFHE if it has more than 160mm guns. Use the 4 points for something else.

[Big_Tidday_Goth_GF]

rn I'm just usin it to train my second Russian DD line captain

[crzyhawk]

On 6/17/2017 at 2:07 PM, DerKrampus said:

It's in that strange gray area, isn't it?  Not a light cruiser, but not yet a heavy cruiser.  

 

Lert is correct, though.  That's its only real advantage, and that advantage is only going to show itself in a very specific way; more consistent damage when firing at top-tier battleships, as bottom-tier.

 

Overall, I'm more inclined to try and maximize the Molotov's already-fantastic DoT potential.  Though, it does lead me to another question:  

 

How effective is Molotov's AP against broadside battleships?

Very.  I've citadelled a New Mex from 13km once in ranked. Usually I can rip off 4-5k/salvo.  I'd not use IFHE if I had a dedicated captain for the ship.  if you're using your RU CL captain, it's not the end of the world.

[geser98]

On 6/18/2017 at 2:07 AM, DerKrampus said:

How effective is Molotov's AP against broadside battleships?

 

Even Farragut's 127mm AP does great on broadside BBs within 10 km and high-velocity 180mm AP of Molotov is an absolute killer. Just aim at the upper belt armor, although you can citadel New Mexicos, Kongos and Fusos, but you'd need to be too close for comfort.

 

I've used IFHE on my Molotov. Can't say it's absolutely worthless, but totally not worth 4 points. 

 

On 7/23/2017 at 7:24 PM, tk208 said:

Just started using IFHE with Molotov the last few games, seems a massive improvement in damage so far...

 

Confirmation bias 

[tk208]

8 hours ago, geser98 said:

 

Even Farragut's 127mm AP does great on broadside BBs within 10 km and high-velocity 180mm AP of Molotov is an absolute killer. Just aim at the upper belt armor, although you can citadel New Mexicos, Kongos and Fusos, but you'd need to be too close for comfort.

 

I've used IFHE on my Molotov. Can't say it's absolutely worthless, but totally not worth 4 points. 

 

 

Confirmation bias 

lol

[901234]

On 6/17/2017 at 1:52 PM, Lert said:

Without IFHE Molotov HE pens 30mm. With IFHE it pens 37.5mm. This means that with IFHE you can reliably damage T8+ battleship bows.

Personally I feel it's not worth the drop in fire chance.

Wait wut - IFHE on 180s have 39 pen - can pen decks of Ok. Rev. , Fuso, NC (which are 38mm thick)

[Exciton8964]

On 9/24/2017 at 4:12 AM, EAnybody said:

Pretty much the ONLY place that IFHE on a Molotov will help is being able to Pen the deck armor (including bow and stern decks) on T8 BBs, as they have 32mm deck armor. 180mm HE can already pen the deck of T7 and down BBs (which have 25mm armor), and has no problem with superstructure of any T8 or down. So IFHE will help you do more pen damage to T8 BBs, and that's it, at the cost of noticeably reducing your fire damage to EVERYTHING.

It's really not worth it for ANY ship to use IFHE if it has more than 160mm guns. Use the 4 points for something else.

Just want to point out that the tier matters a lot.

 

Dmitri uses the same guns but IFHE is almost essential or you will do pitiful damage against most BBs you see.

[geser98]

On 10/24/2017 at 2:16 AM, 901234 said:

Wait wut - IFHE on 180s have 39 pen - can pen decks of Ok. Rev. , Fuso, NC (which are 38mm thick)

 

No. Standard HE pen 180/6 = 30 mm.

IFHE pen 30mm*1.25 = 37.5, which is rounded down to 37. Can't pen decks. Very-very pointless skill.

 

[901234]

On 10/28/2017 at 7:25 PM, geser98 said:

 

No. Standard HE pen 180/6 = 30 mm.

IFHE pen 30mm*1.25 = 37.5, which is rounded down to 37. Can't pen decks. Very-very pointless skill.

 

Would be 1.3x

[geser98]

Huh... it might be viable then. Off to training room it is