DeGrasse comes out right before ranked? Blatant pay for play?

[11thACRColdsteel]

Pretty transparent money play....the French Tier VI DeGrasse comes out right before Ranked at Tier VI....If it is OP then there will be bad blood in the player base..........and this will officially be a pay for play Ranked season.....

 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/mow-degrasse/

 

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[Carrier_Ikoma]

T6 has enough strong silver ships (or free premiums like Shinonome) that I'm sure you'll be OK without some french prem, powerful or not.

[RipNuN2]

More cruisers for me to nuke with a BB, I say bring it on.

[Carrier_Lexington]

Budyonny, a tech tree ship, is still better. And I hope noobs take out De Grasses, so I can use my Dunkerque and hand them their, uh... De Grasses.

 

Warspite is still a better premium choice.

[mofton]

De Grasse might be superior to La Galissoniere but neither are that potent in my opinion.

Orders of magnitude different from Belfast.

[Mr_Tiddles]

Let's wait and see how the ship performs once it is finally on the NA servers EU doesn't seem to be crying about the DeGrasse being a PtW ship.  From what I have read and watched on the ship it seems to be just about the same as the silver French their 6. 

[Sovereigndawg]

No Mouse review, incomplete Wiki, just in time for ranked, shares name with one of my favorite scientists (Neil Degrasse Tyson), premium ship I don't have, can be used in scenarios, illusion style camo. If the ultimate pkg comes with 30 days premium, 10 point captain, 50 of each dragon signals, and the 27th flag I won't use in lieu of MMC flag, I'm gonna have to spill cash on Monday. No park bench might be a deal breaker though. re-posted from the De Grasse page

 

[TTK_Aegis]

9 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

No Mouse review, incomplete Wiki, just in time for ranked, shares name with one of my favorite scientists (Neil Degrasse Tyson), premium ship I don't have, can be used in scenarios, illusion style camo. If the ultimate pkg comes with 30 days premium, 10 point captain, 50 of each dragon signals, and the 27th flag I won't use in lieu of MMC flag, I'm gonna have to spill cash on Monday. No park bench might be a deal breaker though. re-posted from the De Grasse page

 

 

 

[Lert]

"Blatant pay to play" yes, because De Grasse is literally the only ship allowed in the game mode.

 

Get real, OP.

[11thACRColdsteel]

13 minutes ago, Lert said:

"Blatant pay to play" yes, because De Grasse is literally the only ship allowed in the game mode.

 

Get real, OP.

Hello??????        Earth to Lert??????

 

You are aware that the top 6 ships in Tier VI in the recent server stats are all premiums ALREADY......right?    If the DeGrasse comes out op then you might as well forget playing a tech tree ship.....

 

Yes Pay to play....

[Sovereigndawg]

Should have known Mouse was already on it.

[Lert]

Yes, premiums being at the top of the performance board is purely because they're all stronger than tech tree ships, without exception, and can't have any other reason than that. That's why the ARP Kongos outperform the tech tree Kongo by such a margin, because they're sooooo much better and stronger, right? Stop trying to excuse your stupid clickbaity 'pay to play' title - you can play ranked with other ships than DeGrasse just fine and you bloody well know it.

[Mr_Tiddles]

Can we all please stop saying "pay to play" that means you pay to play the game you mean to say "pay to win" which denotes that something you pay for basically gives you access to something that makes you have a distinct advantage, there is a big difference. Just something I see way to much on the forums sorry. 

[Panzer1113]

Not sure how many people will be breaking down the doors

for this ship - I and others are still stinging from purchasing the Duca - and not sure that I want to buy another meh cruiser..... 

[11thACRColdsteel]

56 minutes ago, Mr_Tiddles said:

Can we all please stop saying "pay to play" that means you pay to play the game you mean to say "pay to win" which denotes that something you pay for basically gives you access to something that makes you have a distinct advantage, there is a big difference. Just something I see way to much on the forums sorry. 

In my book, play to win IS pay to play.....get real......so you think people will play tech tree ships consistently in ranked if they always get owned by the OP premies?   C'mon man....

[AspiringCodger]

1 hour ago, Mr_Tiddles said:

Can we all please stop saying "pay to play" that means you pay to play the game you mean to say "pay to win" which denotes that something you pay for basically gives you access to something that makes you have a distinct advantage, there is a big difference. Just something I see way to much on the forums sorry. 

 

I think most people saying this are doing it intentionally just to be overly dramatic.  Suggesting you can't truly compete if you don't pay for a premium ship.

[11thACRColdsteel]

25 minutes ago, AspiringCodger said:

 

I think most people saying this are doing it intentionally just to be overly dramatic.  Suggesting you can't truly compete if you don't pay for a premium ship.

Just how many premium ships need to be at the top of the WR chart at Tier VI before you get concerned that tech tree ships "can't truly compete" in ranked?  If the DeGrasse comes out OP or anywhere near the top, there will be 7, count'em 7, premium ships on top of the WR chart.....

 

Not good for the casual players or players that can't afford a premie.....are they likely to stay in ranked?  Are they likely to stay in the game after the experience in Ranked at Tier VI?  Jus sayin....

[mofton]

There are plenty of reasons for premiums to get better than silver ship stats on sites such as warships.today without their actually conferring much if any advantage -

• Player base - silver ships are frequently played by people just working up trees, at T6 that means they're not greatly experienced. When I play Warspite I'm playing at T6 with nearly 5,000 games under my belt and I'd bet I'm playing people with a few hundred
• Player base - people more into the game may buy premiums, while people who aren't great may not be incentivized to
• No stock grind - your Premium goes straight to a B/C hull with the HP, turning, AA and other privileges that entails, no 18.5kt stock New Mex when you buy an Arizona for instance. Once the tree ship is fully equipped the disadvantage minimizes or disappears
• Better than average captains - I throw my high tier 16+ point captains in mid tier ships to train them, if you're at T6 just by grinding you likely have a <10point captain
• No Captain retraining - just bought your New Mexico? Enjoy a bunch of games where your skills don't work. Buy an Arizona - throw in your Iowa skipper and voila
• Premium ship owners may have premium time and afford premium consumables more easily

All together an equally experienced player with an equally trained captain and a fully upgraded silver ship should have little or no disadvantage (or even in many cases an advantage) over the equivalent premium ship. All of those points can be achieved by grinding and not paying a penny.

[11thACRColdsteel]

1 hour ago, mofton said:

There are plenty of reasons for premiums to get better than silver ship stats on sites such as warships.today without their actually conferring much if any advantage -

• Player base - silver ships are frequently played by people just working up trees, at T6 that means they're not greatly experienced. When I play Warspite I'm playing at T6 with nearly 5,000 games under my belt and I'd bet I'm playing people with a few hundred
• Player base - people more into the game may buy premiums, while people who aren't great may not be incentivized to
• No stock grind - your Premium goes straight to a B/C hull with the HP, turning, AA and other privileges that entails, no 18.5kt stock New Mex when you buy an Arizona for instance. Once the tree ship is fully equipped the disadvantage minimizes or disappears
• Better than average captains - I throw my high tier 16+ point captains in mid tier ships to train them, if you're at T6 just by grinding you likely have a <10point captain
• No Captain retraining - just bought your New Mexico? Enjoy a bunch of games where your skills don't work. Buy an Arizona - throw in your Iowa skipper and voila
• Premium ship owners may have premium time and afford premium consumables more easily

All together an equally experienced player with an equally trained captain and a fully upgraded silver ship should have little or no disadvantage (or even in many cases an advantage) over the equivalent premium ship. All of those points can be achieved by grinding and not paying a penny.

that's a great theory and it certainly sounds very reasonable......the problem is with 7 Premium ships at the top of the WR charts...there is not much room for playing a tech tree ship and progressing at a reasonable pace.  

 

What ship will you be playing in ranked?  If more than one, what ship will be your primary?  I would note that your two favorite ships at tier VI appear to be your Dunkerque and Warspite....both premiums....

[Mr_Tiddles]

3 hours ago, 11thACRColdsteel said:

In my book, play to win IS pay to play.....get real......so you think people will play tech tree ships consistently in ranked if they always get owned by the OP premies?   C'mon man....

prem didn't win last season it is up to player skill each ship has pros and cons. I am real and I am not seeing any sort of support that at tier 6 perm always rolls over tech tree ships...  it doesn't happen it is player skill and how well the team play together.  Sorry I don't agree with you.

[mofton]

1 hour ago, 11thACRColdsteel said:

that's a great theory and it certainly sounds very reasonable......the problem is with 7 Premium ships at the top of the WR charts...there is not much room for playing a tech tree ship and progressing at a reasonable pace.  

What ship will you be playing in ranked?  If more than one, what ship will be your primary?  I would note that your two favorite ships at tier VI appear to be your Dunkerque and Warspite....both premiums....

Do you mean progressing through the ranks or with credits and XP?

Just because a premium ship has a better than average WR/Damage in the stats doesn't mean you are necessarily disadvantaged against it. Yeah, 7 is a lot of premiums at the top but there are a lot of premiums at T6. The same factors can apply to most - all the ARP Kongo's outdo the Kongo for instance (some tasks to get were harder than others). Ironically at T7 though all the ARP Myoko's do worse than the Myoko (suggesting giving T7's away may not be a great plan).

 

That's a fair observation, yes my favorite or most played T6's are premiums, that's partially due to my play/grind style -

• I don't keep low tier ships. I sell when I move up and move captains up too
• Getting through T6 used to take me a lot of games (no premium time, no skill) for instance New Mexico took me about 100 games to unlock Colorado, but I got through Bayern to Gneisenau in about 20 games. That's mirrored across my ships with T6 cruisers taking me about 30 games now (La Gal/Leander) whereas it used to be 60+ (Budy/Cleve)
• Because I grind and sell, any premiums which I play even a couple of times a week will eventually add up to being my most played ships
• Premiums are good for credits/xp
• Once I get to T10 I will play the ship a fair amount if I like it - Minotaur is now my most played cruiser period (tree ship)

For this season I've basically hacked through all the T6's I really want to (could go Kongo-Fuso for it but meh to that), I unlocked Algerie last week so La Gal is gone, I'm at T7+ on most lines I'm interested in. It will probably come down to Dunkerque, Warspite and maybe Shinonome because unfortunately at a 30-40 game grind Ranked doesn't line up with what I have for T6.

 

Just by playing Warspite >100 times I've probably inflated the stats by learning the ship. It took me about 80 games to get above 50% WR, Bayern I was at 55% and better damage in 20 games with scope to improve. Dunkerque I'm well practiced in an have a decent captain.

All the talk on this season of ranked has included tree ships as very strong contenders, and if all else fails at least the CV are all tree!

[Eisennagel]

9 hours ago, 11thACRColdsteel said:

Pretty transparent money play....the French Tier VI DeGrasse comes out right before Ranked at Tier VI....If it is OP then there will be bad blood in the player base..........and this will officially be a pay for play Ranked season.....

 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/mow-degrasse/

 

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I kind of doubt that.  

 

I think its a sort of pre-celebratory to US Independence Day, in honor of Comte De Grasse, who gave decisive naval support to the colonists, particularly in the Battle of Chesapeake.  

 

After De Grasse I would expect the Enterprise to come in.  

[AlcatrazNC]

T6 doesn't have that much "OP" premium ship . Compared to the last Pay to Ranked season, this one might be more enjoyable.

 

Also De Grasse is basically a Galissonière with better range and slightly better reload. If you really want to go with a French ship then you take your regular Galissonière and if you already do well in this ship, there is no reason you will struggle facing DeGrasse.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

23 hours ago, 11thACRColdsteel said:

Pretty transparent money play....the French Tier VI DeGrasse comes out right before Ranked at Tier VI....If it is OP then there will be bad blood in the player base..........and this will officially be a pay for play Ranked season.....

 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/mow-degrasse/

 

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How is buying a Premium Ship "Pay for play" when you can join any mode of this game without buying, using a Premium Ship?  There is nothing restricting you from playing Tier VI Ranked other than having a Tier VI ship.

 

De Grasse is nothing special, either.  I'd rather have Cleveland, Leander, Perth.  Some will swear by their Molotov, Graf Spee.  Then don't forget Budyonny.  Then there's the other ship types out there that are still solid performers like Fuso, Ryujo, Arizona, etc.

 

If you're so worried about Ranked, what you really should be worried about is the complete lack of Radar at Tier VI.

[RoninMcGinnis]

21 hours ago, 11thACRColdsteel said:

In my book, play to win IS pay to play.....get real......so you think people will play tech tree ships consistently in ranked if they always get owned by the OP premies?   C'mon man....

So because your ideal of pay to play is different than the majorities, were all wrong and your right?  I think your the one that needs to get real.  Just because you generalize a player base for their preference doesn't make your term correct.  The game is not play to play since you can play and go up the levels without having to buy any premium time or ships.  Unlike games like Warcraft where you can't play the game past level 20 unless you buy time in.

 

So unless in last patch you can't get beyond tier two without buying premium time in the game, it's not a pay to play.