new players wrecked by carriers

[OstwindFlakpanzer]

excited that I got a friend playing - although he's ready to quit as his battleship keeps ending up facing carriers with awful results.  I've been playing with him and encouraging him to press on, but since the tier 3 grind is longer than one and two I can tell he's getting tired of getting torped and bombed into oblivion with no way to retaliate and is about ready to say F it.  

 

WG can't you give lower tier ships at least some measure of AA?  driving off new players ain't helpin the game.

[Super_S1X]

Tell your friends to start learning how to use WASD.

[Cruxdei]

if he is mad already  at tier3,wait until he get the "AA ships" and the AA won't matter because  x plane is too fast or too strong to be taken down.

[OstwindFlakpanzer]

if he is mad already  at tier3,wait until he get the "AA ships" and the AA won't matter because  x plane is too fast or too strong to be taken down.

 

so you're saying there's a problem then?  

[Super_S1X]

if he is mad already  at tier3,wait until he get the "AA ships" and the AA won't matter because  x plane is too fast or too strong to be taken down.

 

 doesn't happen.

[Cognitive_Dissonance]

What line of BB's is he playing? German KSM are a good choice as they have strong AA, also, is he using CTRL to manually aim and focus his AA?

[OstwindFlakpanzer]

Tell your friends to start learning how to use WASD.

 

new players can barely sail and aim at the same time!  your solution is viable but when my buddy quits that's one less player WG could have retained.  How many others are being driven off?

[Cruxdei]

 

so you're saying there's a problem then?  

 

at tier7 and 6 that is a "problem",high tier cvs are too fast or strong for your BB ,most of their planes will drop the torps or bombs before you take even one.

at tier10?too many planes,midway and the ijn cv can deliver a lot of planes.

funny enough it's the cruisers at this tier that have good AA and some prem ships.

if you want battleship with AA at mid tier,get a texas.

 

at tier8 the CV players get more cautious because the ships have more AA and you might get a minotaur to destroy any plane because said ship use venerable AA guns from london air raid.

[RipNuN2]

Probably needs more situational awareness, with the autodrops at that tier you can dodge most of the torps and only take a handful.

[Super_S1X]

 

new players can barely sail and aim at the same time!  your solution is viable but when my buddy quits that's one less player WG could have retained.  How many others are being driven off?

Well, he either has a personality type that enjoys challenging, complex games, and will want to master it. Or, he wants an easy pick up game with no thought required. If he's the latter, he's never going to enjoy games like wows and should try Overwatch or something. 

[Cruxdei]

ah yes remember to sail straight to the direction of the torps,not away of the torps,you will evade some torps.

[VGLance]

It never occurred to you to tell him to play off the minimap, never drive off alone, turn into the torp planes etc? 

 

And it never occurred to him that curling up into a fetal position and giving up without any effort to reach a solution is a thought pattern that will get him nowhere in life? 

 

There is no excuse you or he can give because other players have great success in BB's at low tier, even before they removed manual drop. If they are having success, it means they are doing things different and all a capable person needs to do is learn the difference and apply it.

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

Probably needs more situational awareness, with the autodrops at that tier you can dodge most of the torps and only take a handful.

 

Yep, he needs to look at the map some more mainly. That, combined with turning into the bombers should be enough to mitigate the damage sufficiently. I mean, that's all I do! Oh, I make an effort to stay near teammates as well.

[Lert]

OP, there's this thing called a learning curve. This game has one. It will present you with ships that counter what your ship can do, and the choices are:

 

1) Adapt and overcome

2) Curl up and whimper

3) Don't play the tiers where you encounter counters

 

I would recommend option 1. Which in this case means paying attention to the minimap, turning your bow towards attacking planes, generally changing course very often to begin with, etc.

[TTK_Aegis]

 

I know it can be frustrating, but he's getting upset by something that should be a learning experience. 

 

Watch the map more.

Notice when planes are in the area.

Notice when they are heading your way.

Learn when to start turning toward them.

 

Or

 

Don't be caught alone, as lone BBs are the primary target of any CV player that wants to do big damage.

 

All of these are lessons that'll help him play better at all tiers. Does he want to learn them now, or later when CVs are even stronger due to manual drops, which the earliest tiers of CV don't have? "But that's hard for a new player" isn't a valid complaint if you ask me. CVs are a part of the game. They already nerfed early tier CVs by taking out manual drops.

 

If it were my friend, I'd tell him to suck it up and learn now rather than later when it's even harder. 

 

[Aardvar]

WG removed manual torpedo drops at tiers 4 and 5 as the ships' AA was too leak to counter this feature.  The concurrent modification reducing the drop distance for auto-drops made those drops more effective.  This is a manageable problem when facing one CV but the presence of 2 CVs per team creates a overwhelming situation when the 2 CVs cooperate in their attacks against a single ship.

 

The solution is simple.  Restrict tiers 4 and 5 to a single CV per side when tier 4 ships are present.

[CapnCappy]

T4 Wyoming has okay AA. What he needs to do is stay with a group of ships so you can combine your AA. Phoenix actually doesn't have horrible AA either. Tell him to take BFT and manual AA for captain skills, swap out the Module 2 for AA range and he'll start beating back on those planes trying to drop on him.

[AnimaL21]

T3 and he's throwing in the towel?   He hasn't even seen true sky cancer yet!  

[bat1159man]

Tell your friends to start learning how to use WASD.

 

And this type of reply is why I miss the down vote - such positive input to help a new player

 

ah yes remember to sail straight to the direction of the torps,not away of the torps,you will evade some torps.

 

It never occurred to you to tell him to play off the minimap, never drive off alone, turn into the torp planes etc? 

 

And it never occurred to him that curling up into a fetal position and giving up without any effort to reach a solution is a thought pattern that will get him nowhere in life? 

 

There is no excuse you or he can give because other players have great success in BB's at low tier, even before they removed manual drop. If they are having success, it means they are doing things different and all a capable person needs to do is learn the difference and apply it.

 

 

Yep, he needs to look at the map some more mainly. That, combined with turning into the bombers should be enough to mitigate the damage sufficiently. I mean, that's all I do! Oh, I make an effort to stay near teammates as well.

 

and then these answers bring my faith back to the forum - good input and constructive suggestions to provide to a FNG.  

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I have brought my son into the game, he is a VERY competitive person, likes BBs (especially IJN) and got frustrated with the low to mid tier CVs hitting him.  Guess what, he knows how to use the WASD keys and is very good in other online games.  He is also very short tempered and will not sit around a game that he believes to be flawed.  We want to bring in new players and nurture them, not act as supremacists.   I take him through battles and talk him through situations - 

• be aware of where you are - use the mini map
• be aware of where the enemy is and prioritize on ships to attack
• watch for DDs and CAs/CLs with torps
• be aware of supporting team mates
• do not rush into battle and your detonation prematurely
• use the strengths of your BBs - armor angle, range of guns - ability to alpha strike

He has a Texas and enjoys the ships but also noticed the up tier issue and the planes he faces there.  He is getting better but his desire to play the game is waning.  Neither him nor I am advocating any changes to CVs - we know the game and have to fight (pun intended) through the battles ans they come at us.  The the problem we face - need to pull more into the game and not drive them away.  Help others, be proactive in your support and offer positive input.  May help the game overall.

 

[Volga1987]

We were all new Players once, and we all managed to learn how to Play against CVs at lower tiers. Keep in mind that back then, CVs were more dangerous than they are now and the population was way higher, plus the constant threat from japanese DDs taht could torp every time.

Im sure you can learn too.

[AJTP89]

 

at tier7 and 6 that is a "problem",high tier cvs are too fast or strong for your BB ,most of their planes will drop the torps or bombs before you take even one.

at tier10?too many planes,midway and the ijn cv can deliver a lot of planes.

funny enough it's the cruisers at this tier that have good AA and some prem ships.

if you want battleship with AA at mid tier,get a texas.

 

at tier8 the CV players get more cautious because the ships have more AA and you might get a minotaur to destroy any plane because said ship use venerable AA guns from london air raid.

 

My North Carolina, New Mexico, Texas, and Cleveland would beg to differ. There's a reason I play AA ships.

 

To the OP. At T3, there's not a whole lot you can do. Manual drop was eliminated, so you should have to deal with un-avoidable torp drops. I think he needs to learn how to drive the BB. Turn into oncoming TBs, broadside to the DBs. Maybe eat one or two torps, but that's what the heal is for. Don't sail alone, sail with the team. If you are Div'ing up with him stay together, the combined AA should be better. T3 is a learning tier. He needs to learn how to deal with CVs. It might sound harsh, but it's true. CVs are a part of the game, and are way worse off than BBs right now.

[Taylor3006]

T3 and he's throwing in the towel?   He hasn't even seen true sky cancer yet!  

 

LOL I thought the same thing when I read the post. This is a new one IMHO, never seen a complaint about CVs in tier 3 before. I can't even imagine what he is going to think when he runs into manual drops at tier 6...

[Cruxdei]

 

Texas, and Cleveland would beg to differ. There's a reason I play AA ships.

 

 

thanks for repeating what i said earlier

NC AA is great but a well coordinated lex grouped torp squad make it harder to take down,seriously i have seen it with my 2 eyes.

[Skpstr]

 

 We want to bring in new players and nurture them...

 

 

And for the most part, that's what happens when someone presents an issue reasonably.

 

When somebody complains in a whiny fashion, using threats, they might as well be complaining about canned pie filling for all that most will respond to the tone of the complaint, rather than the substance.

 

And TBH, if the friend expects to, at any time in this game, be able to shrug off air attacks with consistency, better that he quits now, before investing a lot more time and quitting later. I mean, he's getting discouraged now, because Tier 3 is a longer grind than 1 or 2. How's he going to feel about Tier 4 or 5 grind?

[aethervox]

Your friend has to learn tactics to avoid CVs &, OP, I doubt CVs are specifically targeting him unless he is doing a lot of things wrong. Why aren't you assisting him?