If i had my way with CV''s

[ryuukei8569]

OK so this isn't really a suggestion thread, more just a wishful thinking thread, if I was the one balancing CV's what would I do. Also in this wishful thinking thread, I am including unreleased US and IJN Carriers, as well as speculation on British CV's. However I'll go ahead and speculate on other lines however. One thing to note, dont take things overly seriously, this is just what I would do, and its not a fully refined idea, just theory crafting and wishful thinking.

 

First thing is first, Fighter Balancing. All CV's, no exception, get 4 plane fighter squadrons, and loadouts have the same number of fighter squadron in each loadout. No exceptions (yes that includes you Saipan). Mechanics of Air Supremacy would get reworked to do something different. Bomber squadrons do not need to be equalized by squadron size.

 

Second thing, shuffling CV's around to fit better balanced positions. This will include both the current line and adding a second US CV line but shuffling things around so the main line basically has better CV survivability and speed, while the Alternate line is slower and more vulnerable, but has a higher hangar capacity. One of these US Cv lines will also have all 4 plane squadrons like the IJN line but he other CV line will have fewer but larger DB and TB squadrons.

 

Main Line. Main line, will generally have smaller hangar capacities so they get mirrored to IJN loadouts.

 

T4 main line - Keep Langley where it is at, but decrease her detection so she is at least as stealthy. Loadouts mirror Hosho with a 30 plane reserve. Loadout of 1-2-0 or 2-1-0
T5 main line - Move Independence here, hangar reserve at 37, loaoduts mirror Zuiho.
T6 main line - Slot Wright in here, same loadout as Ryujo, but one modification, T7 TB's and DB's

T7 Main Line - Slot in the Alaska Class Carrier conversion here. Loadout Mirrors Hiryu. Hangar Capacity of 81, all T7 planes, no T6 TB's.

T8 Main Line - Lexington. Increase Hangar Capacity to 84, but loadouts mirror Shokaku.

T9 Main Line - Iowa CV Conversion - Hangar Capacity of 90 at least, Loadouts Mirror Taiho.
T10 Main line - Midway - Loadouts mirror Hakuryu, but she retains her hangar Reserve.

 

Alternate Cv line. Alternate CV line has fewer but larger bomber squadrons, this makes the ships easier to manage.
T4 Alt - Bouge Hangar Capacity of 30. Loadout 1 four plane fighter Squadron, 1 Six plane TB Squadron, 1 Six Plane DB Squadron
T5 Alt - Commencement Bay Hangar Capacity 34. Loadout similar to Bouge but with T5 planes.
T6 Alt - Ranger, Hangar Capacity of 60-72. Retains T6 planes but has T5 TB's. 1 4 plane fighter squadron, 1 six plane TB Squadron, 1 8 plane DB Squadron.
T7 Alt - Wasp, Hangar Capacity of 90-100. T6 TB's T7 DB's. 2 four plane fighters, 1 Six plane TB, 1 8 Plane DB, 1000 lb bombs. AS loadout has a 4 plane DB instead but 3 fighter Squadrons.

T8 Alt - Yorktown, Hangar Capacity of 100. All T8 planes, Plane loadout otherwise matches Wasp
T9 Alt - Essex, Hangar capacity of 110. T9 planes, 2 squadrons of 4 fighters, 1 six plane TB squadron, 2 8 plane DB Squadrons. AS loadout replaces a DB squadron with two additional fighter Squadrons

T10 Alt - Midway original design. Similar hangar capacity as line Midway, but unlike line midway, has no upper deck armor but carries heavier secondaries and AA, including 8 inch secondaries. Yes a midway with DM guns instead of deck armor. Loadout of T10 planes, 2 squadrons of four Fighters, one six plane TB, 3 x 8 plane DB's. This one is only here because I dont know of any other t10 worthy US CV design. USS united states and USS Forrestal are just too big, Essex's are too small, and midway is already based off a Montana hull design so having some fantasy Montana CV conversion is pointless. So the onl thing i can think of is an earlier design of the midway with some major LOL secondaries.

 

Premiums -
Saipan - Retain 48 plane reserve, 2 4 plane fighter squadrons, but make planes T7. TB squadrons, 2 x 5-6 plane TB squadrons, T8 instead of T9.
Enterprise - If her loadout is satisfactory on release it can remain unchanged, however i am not going to attempt to judge her on her final release yet since she is still a work in progress. But i really hope they dont go with the current load out as it is not very good. But i suspect its an experimental loadout and it wont be her final loadout, I hope.
Other premium ideas.
White plains at T4
The indy's that where transferred to other nations such as spain and france are possible premiums for those nations to.

 

IJN CV's, less changes to IJN CV's however changes to main line include

Ryujo - upgrade plane squadrons to be tougher to handle uptiering better
Hiryu - Upgrade TB's to at least T7.
Shokaku - Increase Hangar Capacity to 84.
Taiho - Adjust AS loadout so it loses a DB squadron but gains a fighter Squadron, increase capacity to 90

Hakuryu - No changes for now.

 

IJN Second CV line. IJN Second CV line basically is much line USN Alternate line, in fighter squadrons remain at 4 planes, but strike Aircraft are in fewer but larger squadrons, however Alternate line is more TB focused. The T7 and * would technically get 2 six plane TB squadrons however this can be balance with either lower tier planes or with unusual drop patterns or slower torpedoes if needed.
T4 - Chitose Class CV - Loadout same as Langly
T5 - Ibuki Class Aircraft Carrier. Basically the Cruiser ibuki but in her CV configuration. Loadout basically same as Commencement bay Class
T6 - Hiyo. Reserve of 53. Unlike ranger which would have T5 TB's Hiyo gets T7 TB's, but remains at 6 planes, DB squadron remains at 6 planes. 4 plane fighter Squadron
T7 - Unryu. Hangar Reserve matches Hiryu, But Plane loadout is different. Strike - 2 four plane fighters, 2 six plane TB's, no DB's. AS - 3 four plane fighters, 1 six plane TB, 1 four plane DB.
T8 - Akagi - up to 91 plane reserve, but loadout otherwise the same as Unryuu but with T8 aircraft.

T9 - No idea what ship could fit here, as this would genuinely require a paper or even made up design. But Strike Loadout will be 2 four plane fighters, two 6 plane TB's, 1 six plane DB. DB's have the heaviest bombs the Japanese could fit to a carrier based Dive Bomber. Torpedoes for these DB's are also faster than lower tier Air Dropped torpedoes. AS loadout replaces a TB squadron with 2 4 plane fighter squadrons.

T10 - Shinano - Hangar reserve of 130 to 140. Strike Loadout of 2 four plane fighters, two six plane TB's, 2 six plane DB's. AS loadout replaces a TB squadron with two four plane fighters.

 

Premiums -
Kaga - unchanged. Preferably If it was me, I would have made Kaga a T8 premium CV with a different loadout than what she has and made Soryu the T7 premium. But if i really had my way, Kaga would have been the alternate line T8 while a heavily buffed Akagi would be the T9, and Zuikaku would have been the T8 premium. That's what wargaming really should have done. But now with Kaga as a T7 premium, the T9 Alternate IJN CV is going to have to be some obscure paper design.

 

British CV flavor. British CV's I am thinking would be very TB heavy, since as far as i know,British didn't have a lot of DB designs out there. But more importantly, the TB focus helps make up for the lower hangar capacities of many of the potnetial mid tier CV designs. British CV's, at least the armored ones, will be very tough as well, with access to AADF earlier than the other two lines. early on they will look a lot like current IJN Cv loadouts but grow into their own at later tiers. Now this may seem somewhat OP at higher tiers, especially when talking about 3 x 6 plane TB squadrons or 4 x 4 plane TB squadrons, but that can be balanced with smaller loadouts or weaker planes.

T4 Main- HMS Argus - Hangar Reserve of 24 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 2 x 4 plane TB squadrons
T4 Alt - HMS Hermes - Hangar Reserve of 24 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 1 x 6 plane TB Squadron (TB's can either be T5 or have faster torps or an unusually tight spread.)
T5 Main - HMS Eagle - Hangar Reserve of 30 - Loadout same as Argus, but with T5 planes, can have slightly more powerful torpedoes than IJN or USN T5 TB's.
T5 Alt - HMS Furious - Hangar Reserve of 36 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 1 x 6 plane TB Squadron (Again like Hermes, stronger than nromal torpes or faster torps or higher tier aircraft.
T6 main - Courageous Class Aircraft Carrier - Hangar Reserve of 48 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 3 x 4 pane TB's, however TB's are T5 instead of T6. Alternatively loadout mirrors Ryujo, probably with blackburn Skua's as the DB's.

T6 Alt - Collosus Class Aircraft Carrier - Hangar Resrve of 48 to 53. 1 x 4 plane fighter squadron, 2 x 6 plane TB's
T7 Main - HMS Ark Royal - Hangar Reserve of 60 - 72, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 3 x 4 plane TB's. Alternatively a Hiryu Loadout
T7 Alt - Illustrious Class - Hangar Reserve of 60 - 2 x 4 plane fighters, 2 x 6 plane TB's
T8 Main - Implacable class - Hangar Reserve of 81 - Either current Shokaku loadout or 3 x 4 plane TB's
T8 Alt - HMS indomitable - Hangar Reserve of 72 - 2 x 4 plane fighters, 2 x 6 plane TB's, upgraded to have stronger aircraft and slightly better torpedoes over the T7
T9 Main - HMS Audacious - Hangar Reserve of 81-90 Either Current Taiho Loadout or strike loadout of 2 x fighters and 4 x 4 plane TB squadrons
T9 Alt - HMS Irresistible (I know it was renamed to Ark Royal, but here original name should be kept.) Hangar Reserve of 72, 2 x fighters and 3 x 6 plane TB squadrons. Aircraft can be T8 instead of T9 for balance purposes.
T10 Main - Malta (obviously) - Hangar Reserve of 108. Either Hakuryu loadout or an Audacious loadout but with T10 planes
T10 Alt - No idea, either slot remains empty or some random unknown paper design. Either that or a CV conversion of the upcoming HMS conqueror, or maybe a fantasy CV version of HMS incomparable.

 

 

 

German CV's.OK German Cv's dont have enough for a full line but i will discuss the ones i know about. German CV's would likely be very DB heavy, as i dont know if the German really developed good TB's, however these DB's would likely need some crazy buffs to be workable, or super small drop circles and definitely AP bombs. Either way, some balancing measure would have to be put i place to make German DB's more powerful than IJN, British, or American ones. Also worth noting, German CV's only had low capacities due to the fact that their planes lacked folding wings and german storage systems hadn't been developed. In this case with my idea, German CV's will have buffed hangar capacities as some German Cv's actually had very large hangars. Graf Zeppelin for example, had an even larger hangar than Lexington, and they are going to need them given the lack of TB's. German CV's cant really make a full line, plus they would all be paper anyway, so either they could all be premiums, or make most of them earnable through campaign missions, or simply make a line that terminates at T8. Either way I dont see a serious attempt at a german CV line coming for a very long time.

T4 - German CV I (1915) - hangar of 29 planes - 1 x 4 plane Fighter, 2 x 6 plane DB.

T5 - Jade Class CV - Hangar of 36 to 40 planes - 1 x 4 plane fighter, 2 x 6 plane DB
T6 - Project Weser - Conversion of the Hipper class Cruiser Seydlitz - 48 plane hangar reserve, t7 aircraft, 1 x 4 plane fighter 2 x 8 plane DB.
T7 - German Aircraft Carier I (1942) - Conversion of the transport ship Europa - 72-80 plane hangar reserve 2 x 4 plane fighters, 3 x 8 plane DB's
T8 - German Aircraft Graf Zeppelin - In addition to a buffed hangar capacity, GZ can also receive long range german Secondaries like Bismarck for a set of comically good secondaries, because why the hell not. Maybe even do funny things like add a repair party of something ridiculous to make up for the hilariously bad DB mechanics in the game. Anyway, Hangar reserve of 72 to 90, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 3 x 8 plane DB's, LOL secondaries.

If i had to come up with a Fantasy T9 and 10 German CV, this is what i would come up with, and its lazy.
T9, Fredrick Der Große conversion. even more LOL secondaries, with german Armor, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 4 x 8 plane DB's (LOL DB death wave), 90+ hangar reserve.

T10, fantasy crack conversion of the Großer Kurfurst. Even more LOL secondaries, more German armor with German turtleback, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 4 x 8 plane DB's, lots of reserves

 

 

 

French CV's. French CV's are kind of a wthflavor, but one that might be fun. French CV's are basically a mutation on the idea set by Bearn, in that bearn didn't carry any DB.s Rather she carried scout planes instead. So my idea is that french CV's dont come with DB,s. Instead they come with small squadrons of very fast scout planes.

T4 - Bearn - 1 4 plane fighter Squadron, 1 x 5 plane TB squadron, 2 two plane Scout squadrons - 35 plane hangar reserve
T5 - Bois Belleau - basically an independence class loaned to the french. Hangar reserve of 37 - loadout otherwise same as Bearn but with T5 planes - alternatively the CVL 1947 design can go here
T6 - Joffre - 48 plane reserve - 1 x 4 plane fighter squadron, 2 x 5 plane TB squadron, 3 x 2 plane scout squadrons
T8 - Jean Bart Carrier Conversion, 72-80 plane reserve, 2 x 4 plane fighter squadrons, 2 x 5 plane TB squadrons, 3 x 2 plane scout Squadrons
T7, 9, 10- Don't know what other designs could potentially fill theses out as i am not familiar with any designs at this point. But basically french CV's continue the idea of having Scout plane squadrons instead of DB's, making french ships the best CV's at scouting. Though granted all those scout planes would very likely piss off DD drivers to no end. So you play CV's to troll DD's with permaspotting. But if i had to
Fantasy Dunkerque class CV conversion for T7.
Fantasy Alsace N3 CV conversion for T9.

who knows for the T10.

If anyone has any good information on paper french CV designs I'm all ears.

 

 

 

Russian CV's. I got nothing on them, so Russian bias fun. CV's that go 50 knots, are armed with cruise missiles and fighter jets, and have deck armor that can bounce 800 mm dora gun shells, and have secondaries that fire out to 29 kilometers, but they have the detection radius of an Umikaze, oh and they get smokescreens, hull repair, radar, hydro, torpedo reload booster and a speed boost. And their divebombers can drop a nuclear bomb while their torpedo bombers are armed with nuclear tipped torpedoes.

 

 

 

[dmb47]

Very well thought and well researched post but with one glaring error--you forgot to add the shields from the Starship Enterprise to the Russian carriers....

[IronWolfV]

OK so this isn't really a suggestion thread, more just a wishful thinking thread, if I was the one balancing CV's what would I do. Also in this wishful thinking thread, I am including unreleased US and IJN Carriers, as well as speculation on British CV's. However I'll go ahead and speculate on other lines however. One thing to note, dont take things overly seriously, this is just what I would do, and its not a fully refined idea, just theory crafting and wishful thinking.

 

First thing is first, Fighter Balancing. All CV's, no exception, get 4 plane fighter squadrons, and loadouts have the same number of fighter squadron in each loadout. No exceptions (yes that includes you Saipan). Mechanics of Air Supremacy would get reworked to do something different. Bomber squadrons do not need to be equalized by squadron size.

 

Second thing, shuffling CV's around to fit better balanced positions. This will include both the current line and adding a second US CV line but shuffling things around so the main line basically has better CV survivability and speed, while the Alternate line is slower and more vulnerable, but has a higher hangar capacity. One of these US Cv lines will also have all 4 plane squadrons like the IJN line but he other CV line will have fewer but larger DB and TB squadrons.

 

Main Line. Main line, will generally have smaller hangar capacities so they get mirrored to IJN loadouts.

 

T4 main line - Keep Langley where it is at, but decrease her detection so she is at least as stealthy. Loadouts mirror Hosho with a 30 plane reserve. Loadout of 1-2-0 or 2-1-0

T5 main line - Move Independence here, hangar reserve at 37, loaoduts mirror Zuiho.

T6 main line - Slot Wright in here, same loadout as Ryujo, but one modification, T7 TB's and DB's

T7 Main Line - Slot in the Alaska Class Carrier conversion here. Loadout Mirrors Hiryu. Hangar Capacity of 81, all T7 planes, no T6 TB's.

T8 Main Line - Lexington. Increase Hangar Capacity to 84, but loadouts mirror Shokaku.

T9 Main Line - Iowa CV Conversion - Hangar Capacity of 90 at least, Loadouts Mirror Taiho.

T10 Main line - Midway - Loadouts mirror Hakuryu, but she retains her hangar Reserve.

 

Alternate Cv line. Alternate CV line has fewer but larger bomber squadrons, this makes the ships easier to manage.

T4 Alt - Bouge Hangar Capacity of 30. Loadout 1 four plane fighter Squadron, 1 Six plane TB Squadron, 1 Six Plane DB Squadron

T5 Alt - Commencement Bay Hangar Capacity 34. Loadout similar to Bouge but with T5 planes.

T6 Alt - Ranger, Hangar Capacity of 60-72. Retains T6 planes but has T5 TB's. 1 4 plane fighter squadron, 1 six plane TB Squadron, 1 8 plane DB Squadron.

T7 Alt - Wasp, Hangar Capacity of 90-100. T6 TB's T7 DB's. 2 four plane fighters, 1 Six plane TB, 1 8 Plane DB, 1000 lb bombs. AS loadout has a 4 plane DB instead but 3 fighter Squadrons.

T8 Alt - Yorktown, Hangar Capacity of 100. All T8 planes, Plane loadout otherwise matches Wasp

T9 Alt - Essex, Hangar capacity of 110. T9 planes, 2 squadrons of 4 fighters, 1 six plane TB squadron, 2 8 plane DB Squadrons. AS loadout replaces a DB squadron with two additional fighter Squadrons

T10 Alt - Midway original design. Similar hangar capacity as line Midway, but unlike line midway, has no upper deck armor but carries heavier secondaries and AA, including 8 inch secondaries. Yes a midway with DM guns instead of deck armor. Loadout of T10 planes, 2 squadrons of four Fighters, one six plane TB, 3 x 8 plane DB's. This one is only here because I dont know of any other t10 worthy US CV design. USS united states and USS Forrestal are just too big, Essex's are too small, and midway is already based off a Montana hull design so having some fantasy Montana CV conversion is pointless. So the onl thing i can think of is an earlier design of the midway with some major LOL secondaries.

 

Premiums -

Saipan - Retain 48 plane reserve, 2 4 plane fighter squadrons, but make planes T7. TB squadrons, 2 x 5-6 plane TB squadrons, T8 instead of T9.

Enterprise - If her loadout is satisfactory on release it can remain unchanged, however i am not going to attempt to judge her on her final release yet since she is still a work in progress. But i really hope they dont go with the current load out as it is not very good. But i suspect its an experimental loadout and it wont be her final loadout, I hope.

Other premium ideas.

White plains at T4

The indy's that where transferred to other nations such as spain and france are possible premiums for those nations to.

 

IJN CV's, less changes to IJN CV's however changes to main line include

Ryujo - upgrade plane squadrons to be tougher to handle uptiering better

Hiryu - Upgrade TB's to at least T7.

Shokaku - Increase Hangar Capacity to 84.

Taiho - Adjust AS loadout so it loses a DB squadron but gains a fighter Squadron, increase capacity to 90

Hakuryu - No changes for now.

 

IJN Second CV line. IJN Second CV line basically is much line USN Alternate line, in fighter squadrons remain at 4 planes, but strike Aircraft are in fewer but larger squadrons, however Alternate line is more TB focused. The T7 and * would technically get 2 six plane TB squadrons however this can be balance with either lower tier planes or with unusual drop patterns or slower torpedoes if needed.

T4 - Chitose Class CV - Loadout same as Langly

T5 - Ibuki Class Aircraft Carrier. Basically the Cruiser ibuki but in her CV configuration. Loadout basically same as Commencement bay Class

T6 - Hiyo. Reserve of 53. Unlike ranger which would have T5 TB's Hiyo gets T7 TB's, but remains at 6 planes, DB squadron remains at 6 planes. 4 plane fighter Squadron

T7 - Unryu. Hangar Reserve matches Hiryu, But Plane loadout is different. Strike - 2 four plane fighters, 2 six plane TB's, no DB's. AS - 3 four plane fighters, 1 six plane TB, 1 four plane DB.

T8 - Akagi - up to 91 plane reserve, but loadout otherwise the same as Unryuu but with T8 aircraft.

T9 - No idea what ship could fit here, as this would genuinely require a paper or even made up design. But Strike Loadout will be 2 four plane fighters, two 6 plane TB's, 1 six plane DB. DB's have the heaviest bombs the Japanese could fit to a carrier based Dive Bomber. Torpedoes for these DB's are also faster than lower tier Air Dropped torpedoes. AS loadout replaces a TB squadron with 2 4 plane fighter squadrons.

T10 - Shinano - Hangar reserve of 130 to 140. Strike Loadout of 2 four plane fighters, two six plane TB's, 2 six plane DB's. AS loadout replaces a TB squadron with two four plane fighters.

 

Premiums -

Kaga - unchanged. Preferably If it was me, I would have made Kaga a T8 premium CV with a different loadout than what she has and made Soryu the T7 premium. But if i really had my way, Kaga would have been the alternate line T8 while a heavily buffed Akagi would be the T9, and Zuikaku would have been the T8 premium. That's what wargaming really should have done. But now with Kaga as a T7 premium, the T9 Alternate IJN CV is going to have to be some obscure paper design.

 

British CV flavor. British CV's I am thinking would be very TB heavy, since as far as i know,British didn't have a lot of DB designs out there. But more importantly, the TB focus helps make up for the lower hangar capacities of many of the potnetial mid tier CV designs. British CV's, at least the armored ones, will be very tough as well, with access to AADF earlier than the other two lines. early on they will look a lot like current IJN Cv loadouts but grow into their own at later tiers. Now this may seem somewhat OP at higher tiers, especially when talking about 3 x 6 plane TB squadrons or 4 x 4 plane TB squadrons, but that can be balanced with smaller loadouts or weaker planes.

T4 Main- HMS Argus - Hangar Reserve of 24 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 2 x 4 plane TB squadrons

T4 Alt - HMS Hermes - Hangar Reserve of 24 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 1 x 6 plane TB Squadron (TB's can either be T5 or have faster torps or an unusually tight spread.)

T5 Main - HMS Eagle - Hangar Reserve of 30 - Loadout same as Argus, but with T5 planes, can have slightly more powerful torpedoes than IJN or USN T5 TB's.

T5 Alt - HMS Furious - Hangar Reserve of 36 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 1 x 6 plane TB Squadron (Again like Hermes, stronger than nromal torpes or faster torps or higher tier aircraft.

T6 main - Courageous Class Aircraft Carrier - Hangar Reserve of 48 - 1 x 4 plane fighter Squadron, 3 x 4 pane TB's, however TB's are T5 instead of T6. Alternatively loadout mirrors Ryujo, probably with blackburn Skua's as the DB's.

T6 Alt - Collosus Class Aircraft Carrier - Hangar Resrve of 48 to 53. 1 x 4 plane fighter squadron, 2 x 6 plane TB's

T7 Main - HMS Ark Royal - Hangar Reserve of 60 - 72, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 3 x 4 plane TB's. Alternatively a Hiryu Loadout

T7 Alt - Illustrious Class - Hangar Reserve of 60 - 2 x 4 plane fighters, 2 x 6 plane TB's

T8 Main - Implacable class - Hangar Reserve of 81 - Either current Shokaku loadout or 3 x 4 plane TB's

T8 Alt - HMS indomitable - Hangar Reserve of 72 - 2 x 4 plane fighters, 2 x 6 plane TB's, upgraded to have stronger aircraft and slightly better torpedoes over the T7

T9 Main - HMS Audacious - Hangar Reserve of 81-90 Either Current Taiho Loadout or strike loadout of 2 x fighters and 4 x 4 plane TB squadrons

T9 Alt - HMS Irresistible (I know it was renamed to Ark Royal, but here original name should be kept.) Hangar Reserve of 72, 2 x fighters and 3 x 6 plane TB squadrons. Aircraft can be T8 instead of T9 for balance purposes.

T10 Main - Malta (obviously) - Hangar Reserve of 108. Either Hakuryu loadout or an Audacious loadout but with T10 planes

T10 Alt - No idea, either slot remains empty or some random unknown paper design. Either that or a CV conversion of the upcoming HMS conqueror, or maybe a fantasy CV version of HMS incomparable.

 

 

 

German CV's.OK German Cv's dont have enough for a full line but i will discuss the ones i know about. German CV's would likely be very DB heavy, as i dont know if the German really developed good TB's, however these DB's would likely need some crazy buffs to be workable, or super small drop circles and definitely AP bombs. Either way, some balancing measure would have to be put i place to make German DB's more powerful than IJN, British, or American ones. Also worth noting, German CV's only had low capacities due to the fact that their planes lacked folding wings and german storage systems hadn't been developed. In this case with my idea, German CV's will have buffed hangar capacities as some German Cv's actually had very large hangars. Graf Zeppelin for example, had an even larger hangar than Lexington, and they are going to need them given the lack of TB's. German CV's cant really make a full line, plus they would all be paper anyway, so either they could all be premiums, or make most of them earnable through campaign missions, or simply make a line that terminates at T8. Either way I dont see a serious attempt at a german CV line coming for a very long time.

T4 - German CV I (1915) - hangar of 29 planes - 1 x 4 plane Fighter, 2 x 6 plane DB.

T5 - Jade Class CV - Hangar of 36 to 40 planes - 1 x 4 plane fighter, 2 x 6 plane DB

T6 - Project Weser - Conversion of the Hipper class Cruiser Seydlitz - 48 plane hangar reserve, t7 aircraft, 1 x 4 plane fighter 2 x 8 plane DB.

T7 - German Aircraft Carier I (1942) - Conversion of the transport ship Europa - 72-80 plane hangar reserve 2 x 4 plane fighters, 3 x 8 plane DB's

T8 - German Aircraft Graf Zeppelin - In addition to a buffed hangar capacity, GZ can also receive long range german Secondaries like Bismarck for a set of comically good secondaries, because why the hell not. Maybe even do funny things like add a repair party of something ridiculous to make up for the hilariously bad DB mechanics in the game. Anyway, Hangar reserve of 72 to 90, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 3 x 8 plane DB's, LOL secondaries.

If i had to come up with a Fantasy T9 and 10 German CV, this is what i would come up with, and its lazy.

T9, Fredrick Der Große conversion. even more LOL secondaries, with german Armor, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 4 x 8 plane DB's (LOL DB death wave), 90+ hangar reserve.

T10, fantasy crack conversion of the Großer Kurfurst. Even more LOL secondaries, more German armor with German turtleback, 2 x 4 plane fighters, 4 x 8 plane DB's, lots of reserves

 

 

 

French CV's. French CV's are kind of a wthflavor, but one that might be fun. French CV's are basically a mutation on the idea set by Bearn, in that bearn didn't carry any DB.s Rather she carried scout planes instead. So my idea is that french CV's dont come with DB,s. Instead they come with small squadrons of very fast scout planes.

T4 - Bearn - 1 4 plane fighter Squadron, 1 x 5 plane TB squadron, 2 two plane Scout squadrons - 35 plane hangar reserve

T5 - Bois Belleau - basically an independence class loaned to the french. Hangar reserve of 37 - loadout otherwise same as Bearn but with T5 planes - alternatively the CVL 1947 design can go here

T6 - Joffre - 48 plane reserve - 1 x 4 plane fighter squadron, 2 x 5 plane TB squadron, 3 x 2 plane scout squadrons

T8 - Jean Bart Carrier Conversion, 72-80 plane reserve, 2 x 4 plane fighter squadrons, 2 x 5 plane TB squadrons, 3 x 2 plane scout Squadrons

T7, 9, 10- Don't know what other designs could potentially fill theses out as i am not familiar with any designs at this point. But basically french CV's continue the idea of having Scout plane squadrons instead of DB's, making french ships the best CV's at scouting. Though granted all those scout planes would very likely piss off DD drivers to no end. So you play CV's to troll DD's with permaspotting. But if i had to

Fantasy Dunkerque class CV conversion for T7.

Fantasy Alsace N3 CV conversion for T9.

who knows for the T10.

If anyone has any good information on paper french CV designs I'm all ears.

 

 

 

Russian CV's. I got nothing on them, so Russian bias fun. CV's that go 50 knots, are armed with cruise missiles and fighter jets, and have deck armor that can bounce 800 mm dora gun shells, and have secondaries that fire out to 29 kilometers, but they have the detection radius of an Umikaze, oh and they get smokescreens, hull repair, radar, hydro, torpedo reload booster and a speed boost. And their divebombers can drop a nuclear bomb while their torpedo bombers are armed with nuclear tipped torpedoes.

 

 

 

Completely disagree at putting Ranger at tier 6 with Wasp at tier 7. No just no.

 

Ranger is actually Longer and wider than Wasp was while Wasp had slightly more tonnage. And Ranger is VASTLY bigger than any tier 6 carrier you can slot.

 

No, just NO. Better tier 6 for that alt line is Sangmanan Class.

[Cruxdei]

Very well thought and well researched post but with one glaring error--you forgot to add the shields from the Starship Enterprise to the Russian carriers....

 

exactly,this is a soviet game,our superior ships must be SUPERIOR.

[hipcanuck]

I would like to see CV's start at tier 5 and say goodbye to the existing tier 10's. The current tier 10's are just too ROFLstomp in battles with tier 8 ships.

[ryuukei8569]

Completely disagree at putting Ranger at tier 6 with Wasp at tier 7. No just no.

 

Ranger is actually Longer and wider than Wasp was while Wasp had slightly more tonnage. And Ranger is VASTLY bigger than any tier 6 carrier you can slot.

 

No, just NO. Better tier 6 for that alt line is Sangmanan Class.

 

There is only one reason why i even went for ranger at T6 for the alt CV line, and that is no other candidates that i know of that would even remotely fit at all.

 

Bouge has pretty clearly demonstrated that slow escort carriers just dont work at T5 unless they have an unusually high capacity, and Independence doesn't work at T6 again due to too low capacity At a minimum Commencement bay is needed for T5. An escort carrier is not remotely workable at T6, not unless it is carrying something ridiculous like T8 planes. So Escort carriers are too unworkable for T6, as they barely work for T5. But the only reason with my suggestion ranger even ended up at T6 in the first place is because I do not know of any American CV designs with comparable hangar capacities to Ryujo except for the Saipan class, and since Saipan herself is already in use, the only one left is Wright. CV's really cannot skirt by at T6 without a bare minimum of 45 planes. Its why i moved Indy to T5 as she doesn't have enough capacity at all for T6. Consider the fact that Ryujo herself even with 48 planes struggles quite badly unless top tier, yeah 45 to 48 planes is a minimum for T6 unless the CV is using higher tier aircraft. Yeah ranger at T6 isn't ideal either, but that's why under my list she would have T6 planes and at most 60 hangar capacity, with a lot of that capacity being geared towards dive bombers, which plane for plane, aren't as powerful as TB's. If i knew of a US CV design with a 45-50 plane capacity I would use it for the alternate T6, but I dont know of a design that would fit. I am also trying to go for a bit of a different flavor for the Alt and main lines, where the main US CV line has good AA and is quite survivable, hence why most of the conversions are here, such as Indy for T5, Wright for T6, Alaska conversion for T7, Lex for 8 and Iowa conversion for 9, while the Alt CV line is generally slower and far less protected, but has a greater reserve capacity. So the basic rule for the Main is more survivable, Alt gets greater reserves. Ideally the T6 Alt would be some kind of proto Ranger/Wasp that's about 12000 tons and carries 50-55 planes. But i dont know if such a paper design even exists. admittedly my knowledge on paper designs is quite limited.

 

I would like to see CV's start at tier 5 and say goodbye to the existing tier 10's. The current tier 10's are just too ROFLstomp in battles with tier 8 ships.

 

  Problem is, T10 CV's need that high plane count to deal with T10 AA, which is pretty ridiculous. First and foremost, CV's need to be balanced to their own tier more than anything else, balancing to other tiers is secondary. Plus starting CV lines at T5, no thanks, those escort CV designs just dont work that well at T5. But as a counterbalance to my own CV redo, I would also go for improving low tier AA on ships that could carry it, such as Wyoming and New York, but i was also going to do a similar thread at a later date regarding what i would do with BB,s cruisers and DD's, I'm just not covering it here.