Friedrich der Great Worth Abandoning Bismarck?

[Royeaux]

Though the Hunt the Bismarck companion, I was rewarded with the credit equivalent of the Bismarck, which I had already fully grinded and got that interesting damaged camo.  But now that I have this extra coin, I can afford that Friedrich der Große.  I only have one German Captain that can manage a full secondary build, so if I go into this ship, I wont have any competent German captains to take over the Bismarck.  So my question is, is it worth the trade?  Friedrich der Great over Bismarck?

[saagri]

Though the Hunt the Bismarck companion, I was rewarded with the credit equivalent of the Bismarck, which I had already fully grinded and got that interesting damaged camo.  But now that I have this extra coin, I can afford that Friedrich der Große.  I only have one German Captain that can manage a full secondary build, so if I go into this ship, I wont have any competent German captains to take over the Bismarck.  So my question is, is it worth the trade?  Friedrich der Great over Bismarck?

 

Tier for Tier I think Bismark wins. 

[MrDeaf]

Personally, I think Bismarck is better because FDG has the exact same secondaries as Bismarck and Tirpitz.

FDG guns only feel like a minor improvement over what Bismarck has, because they are pretty derpy and don't make up for it in sheer numbers, unlike what you get with GK.

 

Having said that, however, FDG feels like the most solid T9 BB out of the four.

[retic1959]

Though the Hunt the Bismarck companion, I was rewarded with the credit equivalent of the Bismarck, which I had already fully grinded and got that interesting damaged camo.  But now that I have this extra coin, I can afford that Friedrich der Große.  I only have one German Captain that can manage a full secondary build, so if I go into this ship, I wont have any competent German captains to take over the Bismarck.  So my question is, is it worth the trade?  Friedrich der Great over Bismarck?

 

Yes , IMO . The FDG hit's much harder than the Bis does and It's armor is superior . I'm constantly uptiered in the Bis anyway so I prefer the punch of the FDG . I don't run a full secondary build on mine , I spec for accuracy and reload time on the ship's modules and secondary build in captain's skills . I'm still getting over 9km on the secondaries while the mains are more accurate . The 406's pack a wallop and at a little over 26 seconds reload time with the right module It's capable of doing quite a bit more damage than the Bis . only downside is it's bigger and not as maneuvarable so it's harder to torp beat with her . 

[Balck_]

If you have a Tirpitz, absolutely.  If you don't, then keep the Bismarck but certainly go up the tier.  GK is worth it.

[centarina]

Bismarck is much better.   stock hull grind on FDG sucks and it is very sluggish until you get the hull upgrade.  it is still large and sluggish compared to Bismarck even with the hull upgrade.   you are trading  15% more firepower for larger size/sluggish ship with more HP.   I prefer bismarck. 

[Royeaux]

If you have a Tirpitz, absolutely.  If you don't, then keep the Bismarck but certainly go up the tier.  GK is worth it.

 

I have a Tirpitz, but it doesn't have that bottom of the ocean camo that I like.

[WulfthofenGaming]

i like the FDG more than Bismarck larger caliber guns, some places more armor as well 80mm of armor in places. nothing like having 406mm guns with a 24 second reload or 420mm guns with a 28 second reload.

[Herr_Reitz]

If you intend to finish the line then move on up - after you ensure you have the coins to upgraded the FDG. If you don't intend to finish the line then no. I did the German line; eventually snagged the Tirpitz, is now my favorite German BB. Next would be the GK because short of the Yamato, when you want to just crush players, the GK is fun. 

 

For real fun, load the GK into a coop match, hoping no other humans are playing. ;-) 

[Royeaux]

If you intend to finish the line then move on up - after you ensure you have the coins to upgraded the FDG. If you don't intend to finish the line then no. I did the German line; eventually snagged the Tirpitz, is now my favorite German BB. Next would be the GK because short of the Yamato, when you want to just crush players, the GK is fun. 

 

For real fun, load the GK into a coop match, hoping no other humans are playing. ;-) 

 

Hmm yeah, I have a certain disinterest in paper ships, I already have the Yamato, so continuing the KM BB line would be a drain on resources for me, so I have to debate whether or not it's worth it.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

FDG > Bismarck.

 

FDG has far more flexibility in her build and her Main Battery is actually useful unlike the 15" armed German BBs.  406mm, 420mm, your choice.  The fact that she has the 3rd weapon upgrade slot takes her possibilities up a notch that Bismarck, Tirpitz cannot do.  It's real good reminding Bismarcks that her Secondary Build is inferior to FDG's Secondary Build.

 

Slot the 406mm, throw on ASM1, slap on MBM3 to take her reload down to 26 seconds or so.

 

That said, FDG is Tier IX and faces tougher competition with her MM window.  Bismarck can potentially beat up on Arizona, New Mexico, etc.  FDG is a vastly superior BB than Bismarck, but the latter has a much easier Seal Clubbing MM Window.

[sasquatch_research]

Hey

 

Don't get the FDG; because with the A hull ship, you get less range, slower speed, same crappy German Dispersion, and your a much larger target for better equipped enemies of ALL types.  Bismarck is a much better ship IMHO.  Even the FDG 406 guns are nothing to write home about with average damage being not all that spectacular.  Maybe it's gets better with the B hull and you fully upgrade the guns, range finder and engine mods, but are those grinds really worth it for an average player?  People make lots of claims on how great they are but from a playable, have fun aspect, I have my doubts.  

 

Pete

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Hey

 

Don't get the FDG; because with the A hull ship, you get less range, slower speed, same crappy German Dispersion, and your a much larger target for better equipped enemies of ALL types.  Bismarck is a much better ship IMHO.  Even the FDG 406 guns are nothing to write home about with average damage being not all that spectacular.  Maybe it's gets better with the B hull and you fully upgrade the guns, range finder and engine mods, but are those grinds really worth it for an average player?  People make lots of claims on how great they are but from a playable, have fun aspect, I have my doubts.  

 

Pete

 

You haven't even upgraded your FDG.

[sasquatch_research]

 

You haven't even upgraded your FDG.

 

That's why I put it in there so people can make up their own minds; everyone starts the same place. I want to make sure that anyone who is starting out with it doesn't get a false impression that it's the greatest thing since slice bread because it sucks and it takes quite a bit of grinding to upgrade the hull, the 420 guns, the range finder for range and the propulsion mod for speed (better part of 100K XP for all those).  Again, is it worth the grind?  I have doubts, even with the 13pt captain on board at present who will add more skills the longer he goes.

 

Pete

[retic1959]

 

That's why I put it in there so people can make up their own minds; everyone starts the same place. I want to make sure that anyone who is starting out with it doesn't get a false impression that it's the greatest thing since slice bread because it sucks and it takes quite a bit of grinding to upgrade the hull, the 420 guns, the range finder for range and the propulsion mod for speed (better part of 100K XP for all those).  Again, is it worth the grind?  I have doubts, even with the 13pt captain on board at present who will add more skills the longer he goes.

 

Pete

 

Most stock ships suck compared to their upgraded versions . But the fact remains that when both are fully upgraded the FDG has options that the Bismarck doesn't have access to , Don't wanna upgrade yours , so be it . It puts you in less of a position to judge the ships performance IMO. 

[Uber_Ghost]

 

That's why I put it in there so people can make up their own minds; everyone starts the same place. I want to make sure that anyone who is starting out with it doesn't get a false impression that it's the greatest thing since slice bread because it sucks and it takes quite a bit of grinding to upgrade the hull, the 420 guns, the range finder for range and the propulsion mod for speed (better part of 100K XP for all those).  Again, is it worth the grind?  I have doubts, even with the 13pt captain on board at present who will add more skills the longer he goes.

 

Pete

 

It seems to me that getting the creds for the GK is far more taxing than the XP.  And, I would absolutely detest the notion of grinding a stock FDG...the longest grind in the game...for that long.  It sounds absolutely horrible.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

 

That's why I put it in there so people can make up their own minds; everyone starts the same place. I want to make sure that anyone who is starting out with it doesn't get a false impression that it's the greatest thing since slice bread because it sucks and it takes quite a bit of grinding to upgrade the hull, the 420 guns, the range finder for range and the propulsion mod for speed (better part of 100K XP for all those).  Again, is it worth the grind?  I have doubts, even with the 13pt captain on board at present who will add more skills the longer he goes.

 

Pete

 

Stock Ships suck, period.  The full potential of a tech tree ship isn't unlocked until you've got everything.

 

Let's take for example Tier VIII Amagi, she has consistently been the best or among the best Tier VIII BB since the game launched in 2015.  Never was a bottom feeder, people love her Batltecruiser style and potent gunnery.

 

Yet at Stock without "the works" she is garbage.

[BlailBlerg]

I have same question, but i have all the free exp and money to fully upgrade... is it worth selling bismarck for that?

[Royeaux]

 

Stock Ships suck, period.  The full potential of a tech tree ship isn't unlocked until you've got everything.

 

Let's take for example Tier VIII Amagi, she has consistently been the best or among the best Tier VIII BB since the game launched in 2015.  Never was a bottom feeder, people love her Batltecruiser style and potent gunnery.

 

Yet at Stock without "the works" she is garbage.

 

True, but stock ships at tier 9 have their equipment locked behind very large exp walls and expensive prices.  It took me over a week to get through the Iowa's upgrades, and I never even bother fully upgrading my Izumo, skipping the B hull and never upgrading the engine.  4.1 mil for some extra AA?  1 mil for .8 kts?  No thanks.

[centarina]

54k and 5mil for just a hull upgrade is painful.       once you have hull and engine upgrade, it turns into decent BB, but you are basically playing t10 all the time compared to bismarck.   This makes it a tougher ship to play.   But then, I prefer nimble ships.  

[sasquatch_research]

I have same question, but i have all the free exp and money to fully upgrade... is it worth selling bismarck for that?

 

For me personally, I would say no, keep the Bismarck.  You get the most bang for the buck at T8 and if your nicely upgraded with a good captain, you can still dish out a fair amount of damage even when  MM throws you into the next tiers.  The A hull FDG in stock form is a step backwards from an upgraded Bismarck, while it has slightly bigger guns (same number of them), you have less range, less speed and a much bigger target, somewhat better HP but your size offsets that.  With the FDG B hull is where you do see and good HP buff  but there is the grind and you are always going to be in with T10's whereas there is less chances of that in Bismarck.  There is also a very large credit expenditure with FDG buying the ship, and all of the module upgrades, you could easily fund several other ships in various lines.  just some things to take into account when going into the T9/T10 range of ships.

 

Pete

 

Pete

[Devildog23]

Just an FYI but you can pick up a ten point German Captain by earning four or more stars in Operation Killer Whale which is the third scenario of Operations Season 1. Just picked up a ten point Japanese Captain for planning the current scenario.

[UrbnNinja]

I bought my Friedrich der Große cause i already had the Bismark when i finished the campaign. Now my problem is i love my Bismark so much, but i also have a Tirptz. So i'm stuck pondering if i sell my Bismark and keep my Tirptz cause they are pretty much the same ship. and use the money to upgrade my Friedrich der Große, and my biggest reason for having a hard time of letting it go is because I used it for the the campaign and i love that camouflage.

So, far i don't find the Friedrich der Große that much fun to play, it's big and slow and turns horribly. I know it's a brawler like the Bismark, but i just feel like i have the same amount of fun with it like i do with the Bismark. Maybe because of the games I've played with the Bismark i just feel more comfortable in the boat.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

41 minutes ago, UrbnNinja said:

I bought my Friedrich der Große cause i already had the Bismark when i finished the campaign. Now my problem is i love my Bismark so much, but i also have a Tirptz. So i'm stuck pondering if i sell my Bismark and keep my Tirptz cause they are pretty much the same ship. and use the money to upgrade my Friedrich der Große, and my biggest reason for having a hard time of letting it go is because I used it for the the campaign and i love that camouflage.

So, far i don't find the Friedrich der Große that much fun to play, it's big and slow and turns horribly. I know it's a brawler like the Bismark, but i just feel like i have the same amount of fun with it like i do with the Bismark. Maybe because of the games I've played with the Bismark i just feel more comfortable in the boat.

Tier VIII BBs have it easy compared to what Tier IX ones deal with.  FDG is outright superior to Bismarck in every possible way, but the competition it regularly faces is harder.

 

Tier VIII BBs get to beat up on weak Tier VI BBs, Cruisers, the Secondaries are dangerous to Tier VI DDs with their typically shorter torpedo ranges and mediocre detection ranges compared to VIII+ DDs.

 

Tier IX BBs face the best, strongest, stealthiest ships.

 

These are the reasons Bismarck feels better.  Because the competition it faces half the time are chumps to Tier VIII BBs.  Tier IX fights the Real Deal stuff.

[UrbnNinja]

1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Tier VIII BBs have it easy compared to what Tier IX ones deal with.  FDG is outright superior to Bismarck in every possible way, but the competition it regularly faces is harder.

 

Tier VIII BBs get to beat up on weak Tier VI BBs, Cruisers, the Secondaries are dangerous to Tier VI DDs with their typically shorter torpedo ranges and mediocre detection ranges compared to VIII+ DDs.

 

Tier IX BBs face the best, strongest, stealthiest ships.

 

These are the reasons Bismarck feels better.  Because the competition it faces half the time are chumps to Tier VIII BBs.  Tier IX fights the Real Deal stuff.

Oh i understand that playing more against Tier IX and Tier X is a different from the 6 to 8 tiers. I think i need more games to get use to the boat, and finally get the FDG upgraded. I'm just not sure if playing it like i played the Bismark is the way to go. I'm still hesitant on going with a secondary build, when like you said not many people get in that 10.6km range with how much distant their Torps are getting.