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In Praise of Pre-dreadnoughts

Pre-dreadnought Inclusion  

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  1. 1. Would you like to see pre-dreadnoughts included in the game in some manner?

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    • Undecided or 'It Depends"
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8 hours ago, Wolcott said:

Well I'm glad to see you're fine with historical ships with fake refits.

I'm not 'fine' with it, but neither is your crusade my own. This thread is about the history of pre-dreadnoughts and somehow getting them into the game. I have confidence that they will be as historical as they can make them, but that viable Tier II battles with pre-dreadnoughts will likely require some tweaking.

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I'd think carefully before you choose yes. First, there was no real fire control on the pre-ds, gunnery was a mishmash of different calibers and reloading times. I sure as hell would not want a bore-loader! You think your sigma is bad now? Ranges would be a lot closer, the Brits would be more likely to explode due to the use of Cordite, German ships would be slower due to the usage of coal unlike their British counterparts that saw value in using oil fired boilers. Nope. Not me. Dreadnaught, maybe, others, nope..nooooo.

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It would certainly be a close-in bash & crash and therein lies the charm of it all. This is tier II after all and the Mikasa has shown it can be fun and playable. Further refinements to tier II pre-dreadnought dynamics, a raft of new ships, and it would be a big draw for newbs as well as collectors like myself.

But to each their own.

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On 6/19/2019 at 7:39 PM, Halsey_Acting_Stupidly said:

I'd think carefully before you choose yes. First, there was no real fire control on the pre-ds, gunnery was a mishmash of different calibers and reloading times. I sure as hell would not want a bore-loader! You think your sigma is bad now? Ranges would be a lot closer, the Brits would be more likely to explode due to the use of Cordite, German ships would be slower due to the usage of coal unlike their British counterparts that saw value in using oil fired boilers. Nope. Not me. Dreadnaught, maybe, others, nope..nooooo.

Sounds great!

Way better than the current 'hide behind a rock with my ship' meta.

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On 7/19/2019 at 8:12 PM, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

Sounds great!

Way better than the current 'hide behind a rock with my ship' meta.

Exactly. Halsey is thinking like a higher-tier BB player--who wants all these drawbacks? Well the answer is it is tier II, not tier IV-VII, and it's a new game... we are talking about close range main gun and secondary blasting, BB and DD torps, whacky and unreliable as they should be, and ramming... a different bash & crash game style for newbs and experienced players who just "want something different" after all the anal-conservative high-tier battles.

I say bring on the pre-dreads and let's have fun bashing and crashing!!

Note the Borodino, which has to be the next pre-dreadnought they bring on: she, can ram and torp with one torpedo tube in the bow to add insult to injury. Many were built to ram. What's not to like?

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On 10/9/2019 at 8:58 AM, puxflacet said:

Hello fellows. New dreadnought (and pre-dreadnought) game on the horizon. Take a peak...

 

https://www.dreadnoughts.ultimateadmiral.com/

 

Search on YouTube for a gameplay videos.

Oh I really like the look of this. A very unique approach. Thanks for that!

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On 12/21/2019 at 10:15 AM, Wolcott said:

New survey from WG. Of particular interest is the last question, "Which topic (setting) do you prefer to see in video games and works of art?" I ticked WW1 Epoch and specified pre-dreadnoughts in other.

https://surveys.wargaming.net/s3/v0811-NA

Well said Wolcott!

Pardon the pun, but I have always felt they are missing the boat with their emphasis on higher tier-and-better-ships approach. "Better ships" do not = better battles as a multitude on here have noted. Simpler battles can be a blast as well; add in kinky ships with incredible almost steampunk looks and history (like the Borodino--this has to be the next pre-dread they finally do, for many obvious reasons), and it's a winner, especially for newbs entering the game.

Our time with come! Pre-dreadnoughts will rule! (er tier II and III that is).

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Italian battleships are coming! Let's hope the Dante Alighieri is among them. From my notes above:

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Dante Alighieri, named after the medieval Italian poet, was the only battleship ever named for a poet. She was laid down at the naval shipyard in Castellammare di Stabia on 6 June 1909, launched on 20 August 1910, and completed on 15 January 1913. Dante Alighieri was the first dreadnought battleship built for the Regia Marina (Royal Italian Navy) and was the first battleship built with her main armament in triple 12-inch gun turrets (x four).

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The Austro-Hungarian dreadnought Viribus UnitIs (which is now ingame) was built in response to this potent Italian dreadnought.

History demands this ship appears in WoWs.

 

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Bring on the Dante Alighieri!

This would be the perfect low tier Italian dreadnought to round out the coming Italian battleship line, which should be very interesting indeed.

History matters.

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