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....WWI/WWII naval battle?

....ship from above eras?

....naval person from above eras?

 

For me it's the Battle of Samar, USS Brooklyn, and Admiral William Augustus Lee

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Ha! I like this one. I'm glad he wasn't killed in that fight. Poor Gambier Bay....

 

He was in charge of supplies (supply officer) and was in the kitchen at the time.

 

When asked if he was scared when the ship sank he would always say

 

"Ah hell no, I knew how to swim!":teethhappy:

 

I miss my grandpa a lot, he always could make you laugh and give you good advice. He died 7 years ago, he was 87.:(

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He was in charge of supplies (supply officer) and was in the kitchen at the time.

 

When asked if he was scared when the ship sank he would always say

 

"Ah hell no, I knew how to swim!":teethhappy:

 

I miss my grandpa a lot, he always could make you laugh and give you good advice. He died 7 years ago, he was 87.:(

 

Sounds like he was a helluva grandpa. I miss mine too...

but hey they lived a long time and it sounds like yours didn't waste a day. Thanks for sharing :)

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Sounds like he was a helluva grandpa. I miss mine too...

but hey they lived a long time and it sounds like yours didn't waste a day. Thanks for sharing :)

 

no problem, we had 37 serve in WW2 and I'm proud of all of them for their service and sacrifice. (only 16 came back alive)

 

My dad's dad was in Patton's 4th armored div as a M-18 Hellcat commander. They called him R.D. Ready because he was always rearing for a fight. He said Patton considered him almost like nephew because his father (Jack) served with Patton in WW1! He also said Patton owed his father a life debt, so my granddad kinda got away with some mischief every now and then while in France. He did his job though, racked up 114 vehical kills during the war, 3 of them being Tiger 1s:teethhappy:

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Wow your family has a lot of history tied into this!

That musta been something being that close to Patton; although I hear he always tried to get to know his troops well. 

And that's quite the tally! I'm sure he was popular with the infantry who knew him haha. 

I don't know a lot about tanks - I'm surprised the Hellcat (even though its a TD) could take down a Tiger I. 

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I would usually go for the Night Battles of Guadalcanal, but because it fits the other two I will choose the Battle of the Denmark Strait.

 

Ship is (without any doubt) the Prinz Eugen. Long history, quite a lucky bastard and good looking.

 

And the person would be Ernst Lindemann. Yes he was a Nazi, but that is not why I chose him. He was the one who had the courage to order the return of fire against the Hood and PoW while Lütjens would've allowed them to shoot the Bismarck to scrap. Going against the superiors in such a situation takes courage, and he proved to have plenty,

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Okay, first question: Battle of Coronel - two roughly equal (very roughly) cruiser forces engage each other off the western coast of South America. It quickly devolves into one of the most decisive German victories at sea of all time, and the first loss suffered by the Royal Navy on such a scale in more than a century.

 

Second question: Many, but currently? HMS Renown.

 

Third question: Maximilian von Spee.

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I would usually go for the Night Battles of Guadalcanal, but because it fits the other two I will choose the Battle of the Denmark Strait.

 

Ship is (without any doubt) the Prinz Eugen. Long history, quite a lucky bastard and good looking.

 

And the person would be Ernst Lindemann. Yes he was a Nazi, but that is not why I chose him. He was the one who had the courage to order the return of fire against the Hood and PoW while Lütjens would've allowed them to shoot the Bismarck to scrap. Going against the superiors in such a situation takes courage, and he proved to have plenty,

 

This was definitely quite the battle. I like the chose of Prinz Eugen! It's definitely quite the storied ship; as a naval architect I appreciate how well constructed it was. 

I've never heard of Ernst Lindermann nor have I read his story in depth but looking over the basics, I'll be honest I think he was of the many in the Kriegsmarine officer corps who was simply being a patriotic German over being a Nazi. This is based off his service in the German fleet in WWI and his ability to actually disobey such as he did. I appreciate that he was more concerned for the lives of his sailors. 

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Okay, first question: Battle of Coronel - two roughly equal (very roughly) cruiser forces engage each other off the western coast of South America. It quickly devolves into one of the most decisive German victories at sea of all time, and the first loss suffered by the Royal Navy on such a scale in more than a century.

 

Second question: Many, but currently? HMS Renown.

 

Third question: Maximilian von Spee.

 

I've never heard of this battle! To be honest I don't read into WWI battles as much as I should. Lot of familiar names in this battle :) Tirpitz, Spee, Nurnberg, Scharnhorst, etc....hmm!

Why Spee? I could Wikipedia him but honestly I'm lazy haha. I'd rather hear from you

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Wow your family has a lot of history tied into this!

That musta been something being that close to Patton; although I hear he always tried to get to know his troops well. 

And that's quite the tally! I'm sure he was popular with the infantry who knew him haha. 

I don't know a lot about tanks - I'm surprised the Hellcat (even though its a TD) could take down a Tiger I. 

 

The M18 HVAP rounds issued to the M-18s was more ales designed to kill tanks. I think I even heard somewhere it had almost the same punching/penning power as the Tiger's 88. Though most commanders were still told to aim for the sides and or rear of German heavy tanks to make sure the tank would be knocked out. My Granddad told me half the time they were ambushing the enemy. the hellcat only had around 13mm of armor and a head on slugfest would be insane. As for his kills most of them were armored cars, supply trucks and panzer 4s. His group (thankfully) rarely found heavy tanks like Panthers and Tigers to "hunt", going after these tanks types were a dangerous endeavor and the word Tiger was actually banned from being spoken while in camp due to the amount of fear the tank instilled in the soldiers.:hiding:

 

 

 

 

As for my family, we just did our job, we wanted to protect our family, homes and the country we loved. After the war ended only 3 continued military service, the rest returned home and more ales tried to live peaceful lives.  

 

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The M18 HVAP rounds issued to the M-18s was more ales designed to kill tanks. I think I even heard somewhere it had almost the same punching/penning power as the Tiger's 88. Though most commanders were still told to aim for the sides and or rear of German heavy tanks to make sure the tank would be knocked out. My Granddad told me half the time they were ambushing the enemy. the hellcat only had around 13mm of armor and a head on slugfest would be insane. As for his kills most of them were armored cars, supply trucks and panzer 4s. His group (thankfully) rarely found heavy tanks like Panthers and Tigers to "hunt", going after these tanks types were a dangerous endeavor and the word Tiger was actually banned from being spoken while in camp due to the amount of fear the tank instilled in the soldiers.:hiding:

 

 

 

 

As for my family, we just did our job, we wanted to protect our family, homes and the country we loved. After the war ended only 3 continued military service, the rest returned home and more ales tried to live peaceful lives.  

 

 

Hey the more you know! I've heard Tiger tanks were feared but I didn't know it was that much.

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Battle of Pearl Harbour

Yamato

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Hey the more you know! I've heard Tiger tanks were feared but I didn't know it was that much.

 

They had a term for it actually, it was called Tiger Phobia mostly it was due to how effective the Tigers were against the tanks in Africa, almost nothing could hurt them and they would steamroll right over anyone in their way!:ohmy: after that, pretty much every time a Tiger showed up ( or another tank that could take a pounding), people went to brown alert because there were very few weapons in the US and British play book that could hurt them and it wasn't  until late 44 when the M-18 Hellcats, M-36 Jackson Sluggers and M-26 Pershings started showing up.:amazed:
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They had a term for it actually, it was called Tiger Phobia mostly it was due to how effective the Tigers were against the tanks in Africa, almost nothing could hurt them and they would steamroll right over anyone in their way!:ohmy:

 

 Hmm, I called it Tiger Terror.

Comes off the tongue better.

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 Hmm, I called it Tiger Terror.

Comes off the tongue better.

 

wasn't that a name of a COD mission?:hmm:

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Favorite naval battle would probably have to be due between HMAS Sydney and Kormoran.  Easily the closest to WoWS-style, close-range slugfests that history has ever gotten: they opened fire at each other from just 1.3km away.

 

My favorite ship would be the Shinano as a carrier.  I like the appearance of Taiho already - something about that aggressively-sloped smokestack in particular makes that island appealing to me.  Not to mention she's one of the best examples of Japanese naval engineering in my opinion, being the only IJN flattop that learned from the mistakes made with her predecessors.  Meld that to a ship with Yamato's hull form and that's something to love; it's really a shame that her masters' incompetence and poor judgement doomed her like with many Japanese ships.

 

Favorite naval figure is without a doubt Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto.  He's a man with intelligence, vision, and patriotism to be respected, even if his battle strategies could be somewhat contrived and confusing.  Perhaps most importantly though, he was one of the few Japanese in the upper echelons of the military to have genuine respect for his American opponents' capabilities, and he commanded respect from those he led - the only reason he wasn't assassinated or removed from his post.  He opposed the alliance with Nazi Germany, the invasion of China, and a number of other decisions leading up to Pearl Harbor on the grounds that he believed it was the wrong path for Japan to take, but nevertheless did his duty and served his nation as best as he could despite his own personal reservations.

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wasn't that a name of a COD mission?:hmm:

 

Never played CoD myself, term was given to me by someone old enough to probably have seen one.

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....WWI/WWII naval battle?

The Battle of Leyte Gulf - especially the Battle off Cape Engaño, it showed which side was really willing to die for the cause and which side just talked about it.

 

....ship from above eras?

USS Missouri

 

....naval person from above eras?

Swede Momsen - invented the Momsen lung & (with McCann) the McCann rescue chamber, with McCann and their inventions rescued the crew of Squalus, during the war he found out why the US torpedoes were failing, and fixed it; fixed the Navy Post Office, did the same for the exploding powder bags that he did for the torpedoes, and after the war commanded a 200 ship fleet, crewed by Japanese to evacuate 6 million Japanese from Manchuria, Formosa and other islands.

 

After the war the hide-bound admirals (carrier admirals instead of battleship admirals) ignored his submarines but were afraid of others' subs, he convinced them to build a 'test target' to practice ASW against.  Enter the Albacore, a complete flop as a target, because nothing could touch it.  To provide an escort to their carriers, they ordered him to work out how to incorporate Rickover's nuclear reactor into the tear-drop/Albacore hull, giving birth to the modern fast attack sub.

 

It takes quite a strategist to work out how to make your opponents order you to do what you desperately want to do.

 

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Battle has to be Midway, it's a case study in really just how much luck, coincidence and all that can effect a battle as much as skill and planning. The US can get 2 1/2 carriers ready to face 4. After managing to break the codes just in time. The Japanese attack misses the airstrip. An IJN scout is delayed taking off and has radio issues leaving it uncertain if American carriers are nearby. Confusion on using bombs or torpedoes occurs causing changes that delay the next strike. The forces from Midway completely miss but cause further delays. US TB's attack unescorted after everyone gets separated, drawing the cap away. While the cap is away, US DB's that have followed a straggling cruiser they stumble on now find IJN CV's with planes on deck and no air cover resulting in 3 burning out of control. Japanese hit Yorktown, which put to sea with the repairs they could do, and take it out before the loss of the 4th fleet carrier. So many things where one little change of really luck and it could play out very differently. Those dive bombers never stumble on that cruiser. That scout launches on time. Midways field gets taken out. So many possible changes.

 

As for ships, really just CV's in general. Even the ones that were never fully realized, why I want to see the lines that are a little more what if. What would a German tier 10 look like had GZ and their conversion put out to sea, what if France or Russia had gotten heavy into CV's? Had Italy gotten things together? To me sometimes what could have been is far more interesting than what was.

 

Commanders, I'd have to say the DD captains in the Battle of Samar - Outgunned, out numbered, and still opt to charge and drive off a fleet they should have never faced alone, even if at great cost. Any time I rad or think about it, I almost think of that bit from "Lord of the Rings" - Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for? And low and behold, they did succeed. 

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Favorite naval battle would probably have to be due between HMAS Sydney and Kormoran.  Easily the closest to WoWS-style, close-range slugfests that history has ever gotten: they opened fire at each other from just 1.3km away.

 

My favorite ship would be the Shinano as a carrier.  I like the appearance of Taiho already - something about that aggressively-sloped smokestack in particular makes that island appealing to me.  Not to mention she's one of the best examples of Japanese naval engineering in my opinion, being the only IJN flattop that learned from the mistakes made with her predecessors.  Meld that to a ship with Yamato's hull form and that's something to love; it's really a shame that her masters' incompetence and poor judgement doomed her like with many Japanese ships.

 

Favorite naval figure is without a doubt Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto.  He's a man with intelligence, vision, and patriotism to be respected, even if his battle strategies could be somewhat contrived and confusing.  Perhaps most importantly though, he was one of the few Japanese in the upper echelons of the military to have genuine respect for his American opponents' capabilities, and he commanded respect from those he led - the only reason he wasn't assassinated or removed from his post.  He opposed the alliance with Nazi Germany, the invasion of China, and a number of other decisions leading up to Pearl Harbor on the grounds that he believed it was the wrong path for Japan to take, but nevertheless did his duty and served his nation as best as he could despite his own personal reservations.

 

Wow that Shinano would have been absolutely terrifying as a carrier. Aie yai yai....it's a solid ship design though. The Yamato base hull is quite large; while Shinano could obviously have carried many planes due to the amount of space each one takes up, they wouldn't weigh enough haha compared to an actual Yamato. I'd expect such a carrier to be quite armored as a result to weigh down the ship for stability. That could have been a real game changer in the war. 

 

Yamamoto was a spectacular figure. It's a shame how his death came about...no officer of his caliber deserved what happened to him.

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Battle of Tsushima

 

That is not WW1. Tsushima was 1905, WW1 started in 1914.

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