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*sigh* That's why we BB players get such a bad name

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Ya'll bashing this New York for merely doing what 90% of BB players do from tier 8 and later. LoL. He's a bit early but it's never too early to practice. 

 

Well glad I am in that 10% that has more balls than brains.

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Its ok, not all BB captains are like that. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

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https://wowreplays.com/Replay/37076

 

 

can confirm, player opens can of whoop [edited]


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Its ok, not all BB captains are like that. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

 6FRiIji.jpg

lR4HqgV.jpg

 

 Replay for anyone interested

https://wowreplays.com/Replay/37076

 

 

One of these days, the fox and the wolf need to go a hunting.

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Am I the only one to notice that this entire toxic chat exchange was initiated by the OP during a match in which they were winning handedly. OP, why did you feel the need to harass your fellow teammates in a clearly won battle? Cry wolf much??

 

Teachable moments come during both success and failure.

 

 

No need to call them out like that though. Just let them be. They will obviously never learn.

 

People can't learn if nobody bothers to teach them.

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Am I the only one to notice that this entire toxic chat exchange was initiated by the OP during a match in which they were winning handedly. OP, why did you feel the need to harass your fellow teammates in a clearly won battle? Cry wolf much??

 

Well, I noticed a few things myself:

 

1. The person who tried to provide helpful information to the New York in question wasn't the OP. 

2. The person who tried to provide helpful information did so at a time when the battle was surely won, as to provide the least negative experience possible.

3. USN BBs have great armor, and vertical dispersion that is better than the IJN under 12km, and better than the KM over 8km. 

4. The message delivered wasn't done with much malice

5. The response was both incredibly toxic in language, and displayed a clear ignorance to game mechanics. If he had listened to the other player he would enjoy better results and experience.

6. You've not only chastised the wrong person, but done it in an incredibly toxic and insightful way.

 

 

Teachable moments come during both success and failure.

 

 

People can't learn if nobody bothers to teach them.

 

Exactly. You have to pick your spots and do it in a friendly way to get the best responses, band the recipient of the knowledge should response in kind. If Petyon Manning is giving a young kids tips on how to be a better QB, are we going to get angry at Peyton Manning or the kid if the kid tells Peyton Manning to "eff off?"

 

Its ok, not all BB captains are like that. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

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lR4HqgV.jpg

 

 Replay for anyone interested

https://wowreplays.com/Replay/37076

 

 

Bravo! Had a match in my Alabama yesterday where I did about 178k damage, 4 kills, and secured a victory with a Clan mate when it looked like a sure loss. BB games like that and yours are the most gratifying.

 

I challenge you to beat my 71k in a South Carolina! :3

 

 


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Teachable moments come during both success and failure.

 

 

People can't learn if nobody bothers to teach them.

 

Yet even if you try to teach em they refuses to learn because "oooh let me play the game I want to. Stop criticizing me"


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Am I the only one to notice that this entire toxic chat exchange was initiated by the OP..

 

I hope so, OP didn't participate in the exchange in the first place. :D


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Only 23.6km? 

No, this type of person will likely fit the range mod, and sit even further back. 

 

Camping in J10 is how i win all my battles.  Clearly they have the same idea.  Genius.

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People can't learn if nobody bothers to teach them.

 

People can't learn if they are too stuck-up to take criticism.


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Yet even if you try to teach em they refuses to learn because "oooh let me play the game I want to. Stop criticizing me"

 

I had a similar situation the other day, although we were losing. I wasn't toxic, but perhaps a bit sarcastic, but I basically informed him that you don't pay more if you get sunk, and you score better if you get closer and hit more.

 

Didn't get a response, but a little while later, I got a PM from him, thanking me very much for my explanation of something he didn't know, (and didn't know to wonder about) and saying that his next couple games had been much more fun and rewarding.


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1. The person who tried to provide helpful information to the New York in question wasn't the OP. 

6. You've not only chastised the wrong person, but done it in an incredibly toxic and insightful way.

 

Two things: He's either is playing two accounts or he's name shaming. In either cases, both practices are shunned upon according to WG terms of use. I assumed the OP was playing an alt account rather than the latter since name shaming is the worst of the two evils. I believe the OP was out of line in either case and should not post such threads.

 

As far as my response being toxic, I will response in like fashion on every thread I see that shames another player for whatever he may have done, good or bad. It's not like any of us are innocent. We all made mistakes playing this game. 

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I will admit, I stick the artillery plotting room mod on my NY to boost the range.  But then again, I know my game usually goes like this.  Snipe at the beginning as the battle shapes up.  Then try to close in and brawl.  Guess that's why I love the USN line so much, they do both.  I've deleted CA at max range and brawled German BBs up close in the same game.

For me, while its bad a USN is doing it, its not as bad as seeing a German BB stay at max range and snipe.  That player really has no idea how to play their ship.


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People can't learn if they are too stuck-up to take criticism.

 

At the same time though, the way the criticism is delivered can drown out the message. 

 

A lot of people can take criticism, but if they think you're being an a-hole, they'll disregard you even if you're telling them what a good job they're doing.

 

Ideally, you'd criticise like a manager in a union shop, if they were being broadcast to all the employees, with a union rep in the room. Even then, as you say, some people just can't take criticism in the first place.

 

I know my reaction to being called out in a negative manner would be to lash out, although once I got over it, I would actually consider what was said.


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I will admit, I stick the artillery plotting room mod on my NY to boost the range.  But then again, I know my game usually goes like this.  Snipe at the beginning as the battle shapes up.  Then try to close in and brawl.  Guess that's why I love the USN line so much, they do both.  I've deleted CA at max range and brawled German BBs up close in the same game.

For me, while its bad a USN is doing it, its not as bad as seeing a German BB stay at max range and snipe.  That player really has no idea how to play their ship.

 

Good point. I usually play German BBs and I follow a similar pattern. Assist base caps from a distance by snipping any opposing CAs that are opposing the caps then move in into brawling distance to help defend the caps or overtake others once the position of all the ships are known. No sense going in early and over extending before a proper recon is complete. 

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Two things: He's either is playing two accounts or he's name shaming. In either cases, both practices are shunned upon according to WG terms of use. I assumed the OP was playing an alt account rather than the latter since name shaming is the worst of the two evils. I believe the OP was out of line in either case and should not post such threads.

 

As far as my response being toxic, I will response in like fashion on every thread I see that shames another player for whatever he may have done, good or bad. It's not like any of us are innocent. We all made mistakes playing this game. 

 

Occam's razor. 

You're overthinking this whole thing. This is just something OP saw, and decided to comment on. So, the whole alt account thing is a little farfetched. 

As well, I don't believe anyone's being named and shamed here—which is when someone is purposefully singled out by username in order to accomplish an end which is harmful to a players reputation or mental well-being.

The focus of this thread is on the unnamed BB player, and not the one who called him out.

 

No, rather, the focus of this thread is on the practice some BB players have of sitting at their max range, and how some people don't listen. It's calling attention to those issues, and not the identity of the BB player, or the one who initially called him out on this practice.   

 

 

(Oh, and alt accounts are now allowed by WG, so there's that...)  

 

I will admit, I stick the artillery plotting room mod on my NY to boost the range.  But then again, I know my game usually goes like this.  Snipe at the beginning as the battle shapes up.  Then try to close in and brawl.  Guess that's why I love the USN line so much, they do both.  I've deleted CA at max range and brawled German BBs up close in the same game.

For me, while its bad a USN is doing it, its not as bad as seeing a German BB stay at max range and snipe.  That player really has no idea how to play their ship.

 

Most people use that mod on the lower tiered USN BBs. It gives you a little more flexibility.

The problem, however, is when people then stick to that max range, and don't move any closer. As demonstrated in the OP.   


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Occam's razor. 

You're overthinking this whole thing. This is just something OP saw, and decided to comment on. So, the whole alt account thing is a little farfetched. 

As well, I don't believe anyone's being named and shamed here—which is when someone is purposefully singled out by username in order to accomplish an end which is harmful to a players reputation or mental well-being.

The focus of this thread is on the unnamed BB player, and not the one who called him out.

 

No, rather, the focus of this thread is on the practice some BB players have of sitting at their max range, and how some people don't listen. It's calling attention to those issues, and not the identity of the BB player, or the one who initially called him out on this practice.   

 

 

(Oh, and alt accounts are now allowed by WG, so there's that...)  

 

 

Most people use that mod on the lower tiered USN BBs. It gives you a little more flexibility.

The problem, however, is when people then stick to that max range, and don't move any closer. As demonstrated in the OP.   

 

I will admit my initial reaction might have been a bit of a knee jerk reaction and for that, I do apologize to the OP. I do see value in the discussion of BBs keeping their distance too long and not adjusting to the flow of the battle. If I offended anyone else, I apologize. There's enough toxicity in these forums at times, no need for me to heap on more. My bad.

 

EDIT: And thank you for pointing out that alt accounts are now allowed. I wasn't aware. 

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I will admit, I stick the artillery plotting room mod on my NY to boost the range.  But then again, I know my game usually goes like this.  Snipe at the beginning as the battle shapes up.  Then try to close in and brawl.  Guess that's why I love the USN line so much, they do both.  I've deleted CA at max range and brawled German BBs up close in the same game.

For me, while its bad a USN is doing it, its not as bad as seeing a German BB stay at max range and snipe.  That player really has no idea how to play their ship.

 

i dont see a problem with using that mod on mid tier US BBs.  One of the worst feelings one can have in the game is when you are being shot at and cant fight back.  Getting the NY to 18km? range or something like that gave you a chance to fight back when you are constantly thrown in tier 7 matches.  same goes for the NM.  16km? or so odd range made it a pain to use when you were being shot at from people 17km+ away.  Now, they have changed the ranges on a lot of ships since i played those so perhaps they aren't as useful or necessary now. 

 

19km is all you really need on any BB.  Any farther than that and your chances of hitting are pretty slim on average.  to me, that is the max of your effective firing range.  any farther out and you are just looking for random things to shoot at while moving up/around,   i prefer to shoot things 17km or under.(10-15 is the sweet spot)  i feel like all those range upgrades for BBs are useless in higher tiers for the reasons i gave.  


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Yup most BB players are trash at this game. Put them in anything thing else and watch them die and do nothing in the first 3 mins of a match. Hell it was horrible watching all the BBaddies try and claw their way up the french cruiser line. The only thing keeping them going is that BB's are so overpowered that a blind person could sail them and do damage, just throw him in a secondaries speced Bismarck and watch him go!


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It'd be ok if that tactic/style/mentality were rare but in most games I play there is always at least 1 BB operating this way and it's absolutely why there is "the hate" generally.

Just keep in mind these are the same people WG is continually "tuning" the game for and it really makes you want to drown kittens.


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Only 23.6km? 

No, this type of person will likely fit the range mod, and sit even further back. 

 

And spotter plane, don't forget that.

 

Who the hell even uses a spotter plane past tier 8?


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And spotter plane, don't forget that.

 

Who the hell even uses a spotter plane past tier 8?

 

I do, its good for shooting ships sitting in smoke, which is very common in higher tiers.  I have citted a lot of ships, and even killed a few that were siting in smoke.  Even just hitting them or hitting near them can unsettle them.

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Yup most BB players are trash at this game. Put them in anything thing else and watch them die and do nothing in the first 3 mins of a match. Hell it was horrible watching all the BBaddies try and claw their way up the french cruiser line. The only thing keeping them going is that BB's are so overpowered that a blind person could sail them and do damage, just throw him in a secondaries speced Bismarck and watch him go!

 

*ahem* The fact that you think that BBs are OP, shows that you rarely play them. If you've ever played the USN BBs, specifically the mid tier dreadnaughts, you'll know how untrue that actually is. The thing is, with a large amount of BBs in the game, they require a large amount of situational awareness. An unawares BB, is nothing more than DD/CV food. And a USN mid tier BB that finds themselves out of place and engaging 2 or more enemy ships alone, is essentially dead, unless they are either very lucky, or extremely good at what they're doing. An average player in that kind of situation will get over run and sunk quickly.

 

And checking your stats (mind you, I'm not stat shaming) it seems you've really only ever played the German BBs, with a couple IJN here and there, so I can see where you might have gotten the whole "BBs are OP" from. Try playing the USN mid tier BBs, like the New York, the New Mexico/Arizona, and the Colorado before saying that BBs are OP and that even a blind person can do very well in them.

 

And speaking of BB captains sailing cruisers, this was me in my Atlanta a couple days ago.

 

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The Atlanta. One of the more difficult cruisers to do well in. And I did that. Me. Someone who mostly plays BBs. And I've more pretty good cruiser games in my Cleveland as well. I'm not unicum status in my cruisers mind you, but I'm not brain dead either.

 


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What makes a bad BB captain is when 90% of the time, they show you their broadside. 'Cause I just gotta shoot a full salvo all the time! This game is just like WoT, if you want to survive, you have to angle.


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Yup most BB players are trash at this game. Put them in anything thing else and watch them die and do nothing in the first 3 mins of a match. Hell it was horrible watching all the BBaddies try and claw their way up the french cruiser line. The only thing keeping them going is that BB's are so overpowered that a blind person could sail them and do damage, just throw him in a secondaries speced Bismarck and watch him go!

 

Of course the same can be said for putting a pure DD driver into a BB.  Watch them not know how to play a BB.  They will be sneaking around, hiding behind the islands, in fact, it almost sounds like the NY player in the OPs original statement could have been a DD driver who doesn't know how to play a BB.  Simple fact is you cannot play a BB like a CA, or a DD.  Each requires a different approach.  As a BB main I accept I'll be targeted, I accept I will be hit, and hit often.  I take that mentally and play a DD, I'll sink quickly.  So was I bad, or was I playing a ship wrongly?

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The interesting thing about WOWS is that there is a bit of a forced natural selection to the learning curve - eventually, as they move up in tiers, the camping long range BB players are going to either:

 

- Learn because the DD play will get better & they'll lick their chops at camping BBs as they put flanking torp spreads into them

- Learn because fire spamming CLs/CAs will be licking their chops and burn them down

- Learn because flanking BBs and even CAs will take huge chunks of health in a salvo.

- Flame in chat about how DDs & CLs are OPd and need to be nerfed or BB health pools need buffing or leave the game because the balance is whacked and unfair....

 

I'm truly hoping for the process to play out with one of the 1st 3 options.

 

 

 


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