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Mmm Understood, but I presented as an option because It would really make her stand-out from a typical Tribal-class that will one day grace the Brit tech tree. 

 

Think of it as getting the Belfast treatment. 

 

I just have trouble seeing how to properly balance her as a post war ship. Both of her guns are facing forward, so she could not fight any ship behind her. Her AA armament was reinforced but I don't see that helping, as carriers are not in every game. 

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1884t standard displacement, 2560t full load (comparison: Benson 1630t/2400t, Fletcher 2050t/2500t)

 

The Canadian Tribal's actually had a displacement of 2,745 tons fully loaded, so she's even more chunky. 

 

AA armament is still not very good for a WW2 era DD

 

Haida was armed with one dual 4 inch gun, one quad 40mm "Pom Pom" and six dual 20mm Oerlikon guns. Her close range AA should be decent however, I don't know if they will count her 4.7 inchers as dual purpose, since they worked but not very well.


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Hey all!

 

I keep hearing that HMCS Haida should be added to the game. I'm curious how large the general interest in this ship is.

So, if you could please:

  • Tell me why you want this ship
  • Tell me if you think it's worth adding to Commonwealth tree, since I personally don't know if a Canadian line is viable at this time but it's fun to imagine
  • Tier Thoughts?
  • General thoughts?

 

Bonus question

  • Should I have gone with Dove_of_War instead, and gone for the irony?

 

I have only one thing to say. If Haida is added let here be added at tier 7/8 and give her the gun batter she was originally built with. Not the post-war battery she has today.

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Shes a ship that deserves to be in the game. I agree with the others, make her present for Canada's 150th Birthday. :)

 

Also, were awesome at marching :P

 


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Lets see..  she is a North American museum ship that is NOT USN  (Her berth was designated a Canadian National Historic site in 1984).  She had an outstanding record in the war.  She was an iconic design, that base design will also be needed (I expect) for the RN DD line or premium as HMS Cossack, so the changes to the ship should be minimal.  The tribal design was designed to potentially face ships of the Fubuki class in reality.

 

She served on Convoys.. in the Channel attacking small ships and destroyers and rescuing survivors of battles and downed pilots returning from over Germany., she sank submarines in the channel, she served with Blysky sinking good tonnage including some escorts and a merchant ship, she took part in numerous missions down to the Bay of Biscay, she then had a refit and served in the Norwegian coast area.  After that they went back to Canada and were refitting for tropical operations when Japan Surrendered.  She then also served with distinction in the Cold War the Korean war during which she became a member of the trainbusters club, by shelling and destroying a railway locomotive travelling along the coastal route.

 

She received the floowing honours for serving with distinction in each of the following conflicts  (these are not the awards for just being in the area)

 

  • Arctic 1943–1945
  • English Channel 1944
  • Normandy 1944
  • Biscay 1944
  • Korea 1952–1953

 

During the war, she had the highest tonnage sunk of any Canadian warship.  The mileage she steamed in servbice was the equivalent of 27 times round the world

 

As to where she fits in the Wows trees..  bearing ion mind the tribal class had 4x2 4.7" guns,  the Canadian tribals had one of the 4.7" turrets removed and replaced with on 4" DP turret but I would see her at 6/7 depending on what the plan is for RN Tribals.

 

M.

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I doubt I'd buy it but I understand the desire to have nationally famous ships in the game and would certainly not mind them working on this instead of other things.


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Another thing most people are saying, I highly doubt the tribal class will be showing up on the tech tree. They are gun focused oddities in a tech tree otherwise dominated by balanced designs, Cossack will likely be the RN premium Tribal with all four of her 4.7 inch guns and terrible AA.

 

The J/K/N class destroyers fit much better as tech tree ships, the Tribal's famous nature helps them as premiums.


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Another thing most people are saying, I highly doubt the tribal class will be showing up on the tech tree. They are gun focused oddities in a tech tree otherwise dominated by balanced designs, Cossack will likely be the RN premium Tribal with all four of her 4.7 inch guns and terrible AA.

 

The J/K/N class destroyers fit much better as tech tree ships, the Tribal's famous nature helps them as premiums.

 

agreed, but who nows how this games developers will make the RN destroyers an unwanted breed in the game.

 

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Personally, I didn't even know about the Haida until I started playing this game and reading up on some of the ships. While the prospects for captain training may be lacking as a commonwealth ship I think she should be a high priority for implementation.

 

A) Her service history with the Blys just makes it right that she should be added in the game (Preferably at the same tier).

B) Canada played a very important role in convoy defense and should have some representation in game.

C) British destroyer with single launch would be nifty and different.

D) New (Non-Russian) boats are always welcome.

 

P.S. Yes to Dove-of-War

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The Canadian Tribal's actually had a displacement of 2,745 tons fully loaded, so she's even more chunky. 

 

 

Haida was armed with one dual 4 inch gun, one quad 40mm "Pom Pom" and six dual 20mm Oerlikon guns. Her close range AA should be decent however, I don't know if they will count her 4.7 inchers as dual purpose, since they worked but not very well.

 

The AA on Haida is easily estimated, since most of those are already in game.

No, the 120mm guns, while original intended for DP function, turned out to be really bad for AA duty, which is why the RN swapped out a turret for the 102mm DP

 

Gun DPS Range ←Haida Sims→ Range DPS Gun
1x Twin 102mm/45 QF XIX 9.4 5.01km     5.01km 32.1 3x Single 127mm/38 Mk30 mod.0
1x Quad 40 mm Vickers 2-pdr. Mk VII 14 2.49km     5.01km 10.7 1x Single 127mm/38 Mk30 mod.1
6x Twin 20mm Oerlikon Mk V 36.6 2.01km     2.01km 7.2 2x Single 20mm Oerlikon Mk4
          1.2km 15.2 4x Single 12.7mm Browning
               
Total 59.9         65.2 Total
Long Total 9.4         42.8 Long Total

 

and 102mm/45 apparently has a 5km base range as a secondary battery on RNBB and RNCL... should be interesting on a DD.

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On tiering

She's a 1936 design with six 120mm L/45 guns. At roughly 12 RPM per gun this destroyer has the same density of fire as Tashkent or Udaloi, albeit with smaller shells. She only displaces 2/3 as much, and sports a sole quadruple 533mm torpedo launcher, so despite her fair helping of 20mm and 40mm AAA, she doesn't have the chops to compete at T8. On the other hand, she would be a frightening adversary at T6, where her light cruiser pedigree and superior tonnage would put her design contemporaries at a serious disadvantage in a meta which rewards gunnery and hit points over density of torpedo spread. One could make a case for Haida T6 by way of soft stats fudging, but this is such a famous and desired ship that it would be more appropriate to err on the side of underpoweredness by placing her at T7. I don't like the idea of paying more for this ship, though perhaps if she is deliberately balanced as a T6.5, then we could justify selling this T7 1936 design at a T6 price. Either way I don't want to see Haida's artillery made poor via soft stat fudging in order to bring her to T6. There's always the possibility of using the standard four-turret layout for the eventual Royal Navy Tribal to justify placing them a tier higher than Haida, as well.

 

On the RCN as a separate in-game navy

As much as I'd love to have the RCN in-game, it doesn't make sense. Unless you want to give us a couple lines of tech tree with mostly-copy/paste RN ships, there's no point. Besides, you can always organize a split later on if one of the Commonwealth nations receives enough ships to justify it. Simply duplicate any commanders folks may have and leave one from each pair behind in the Commonwealth "tree" while the other twin moves over to the RCN at that time.

 

Just put the appropriate naval ensign on it and give us an RCN flag we can use, and that would satisfy most of the folks who would care to have a separate Canadian navy anyways.

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I'm taking my son over to see her this summer (we live about an hour away).  I'm not sure pigeon but if you look through the past threads you'll probably find plenty of people asking for this ship.  Besides, if you do a ship well, regardless of nationality and history and anything else, people will buy it including:

1) collectors who buy anything

2) people who like that particular ship

3) people who like that class, especially if the ship is in the sweet spot of t5-t7 which is presume is where most people spend their time

4) people who buy things for reasons none of us understand but will happily wave around this meme:

 

acb.jpg

 

Commonwealth tree seems appropriate, but since Poland has their own ship (sister ship to Haida no less), an opportunity to fly the Red Ensign wouldn't be something many Canadians would say no to.

 

Since we're on the topic, when is WG coming up to Toronto (or Hamilton) for an event?  I hear from reliable sources that TO is a major centre of flotey botes cap'ns.


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Since we're on the topic, when is WG coming up to Toronto (or Hamilton) for an event?  I hear from reliable sources that TO is a major centre of flotey botes cap'ns.

 

Hey! Just because I'm in Toronto doesn't mean it's by choice. I mean, yeah I guess a Toronto event might be neat.

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I'm taking my son over to see her this summer (we live about an hour away).

 

And I live in "Friendly Manitoba" and it's like an 18 hour drive for me. :/

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Hey all!

 

I keep hearing that HMCS Haida should be added to the game. I'm curious how large the general interest in this ship is.

So, if you could please:

  • Tell me why you want this ship
  • Tell me if you think it's worth adding to Commonwealth tree, since I personally don't know if a Canadian line is viable at this time but it's fun to imagine
  • Tier Thoughts?
  • General thoughts?

 

Bonus question

  • Should I have gone with Dove_of_War instead, and gone for the irony?

 

 

 

 

 

*I* don't particularly want Haida myself - I'm not much of a DD player so I don't spend money on premiums generally.  That aside, I think she'd be an excellent addition to the game - Canada's contribution to the war effort was considerable and should be honored.  I certainly agree that her place would be in the Commonwealth "navy" whether as a premium or in some kind of mixed tech tree.  Tier level?  Not sure I have any good opinion on that.


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  • Tell me why you want this ship
  • Tell me if you think it's worth adding to Commonwealth tree, since I personally don't know if a Canadian line is viable at this time but it's fun to imagine
  • Tier Thoughts?
  • General thoughts?

 

Bonus question

  • Should I have gone with Dove_of_War instead, and gone for the irony?

 

Tell me why you want this ship:  I'm Canadian and it's the HMCS Haida!  You may as well ask an American why they want Missouri, Alabama, Kidd or Enterprise. This ship (along with HMCS Sackville -- a Flower-class Corvette) embodies the Royal Canadian Navy's fighting contribution in WWII.  Canada had to do a lot of heavy lifting in the Battle for the Atlantic and many of us look back with pride for how much was done.  I strongly recommend reading this account of the 10th Destroyer Flotilla (which included both Haida and Blyskawica) engaging German Destroyers in the English Channel at night.  http://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1117&context=cmh  If this doesn't make you go "Okay, that's awesome," there's something wrong with you.

 

Tell me if you think it's worth adding to Commonwealth tree:  Absolutely.  I'd be proud to see HMCS Haida alongside Perth and any other of our Commonwealth sisters that get added later.  Commonwealth pride!

 

Tier Thoughts?  Tier 7, even if her soft stats have to be massaged one way or another to cram her in there.  It would be criminal not to be able to division Haida and Blyskawica together.

 

General Thoughts?  Cuddle lumps.

 

Should I have gone with Dove_of_War instead, and gone for the irony?  I think it would have been one of those jokes that was funny for like the first week or so and then you'd immediately wish you had been more subtle and gone with Pigeon instead.  Those in the know still get the joke.


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  • Tell me why you want this ship

                Because it's a beauty, eh?  Don't be a hoser and give the Canucks their well deserved and greatly hoped for DD.  I'm in Texas, and I want one too.

  • Tell me if you think it's worth adding to Commonwealth tree, since I personally don't know if a Canadian line is viable at this time but it's fun to imagine

                Definitely Commonwealth, and don't forget to include HMCS Ontario while you're at it.  I'm sure our friends up North would love a premie Fiji, too.

  • Tier Thoughts?

                Probably VII, but with an Akizuki style torpedo bonus to help out with the single mount.

  • General thoughts?

                Throws credit card at screen.

 

Should I have gone with Dove_of_War instead, and gone for the irony?

 

  •             Hmm,  Boobie_of_War?  (Oh, wait, that's someone else's avatar...) ........  Hummingbird_of_War?   Chickadee .... ah, never mind.  I think Pigeon is just fine.

 


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I'm all for the Commonwealth line getting a premium paper ship too -- HMCS Acadia, Quebec and Ontario -- take your pick!  They would have been Canada's first three Battleships of the Queen Elizabeth-class.  Stupid parliament had to go and ruin a girl's dreams 100 years in the future!


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I'm all for the Commonwealth line getting a premium paper ship too -- HMCS Acadia, Quebec and Ontario -- take your pick!  They would have been Canada's first three Battleships of the Queen Elizabeth-class.  Stupid parliament had to go and ruin a girl's dreams 100 years in the future!

 

I'd say it's likely going to be Acadia, since Ontario and Quebec are both light cruisers that could also be premium ships.

 

Canadian_QEb.jpg

 

Only problem is that this is basically the only image I can find, info is extremely hard to find on the Canadian QE class ships. I do hope they keep the WWI hull, sixteen 152mm guns looks like a blast for a secondary build!


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Don't stop there, while we're at it, throw in the Indefatigable-class battlecruiser we would have gotten if Canada agreed to the "Dominion-defence" plan raised in the 1909 Imperial Conference.  

 

our own battlecruiser...

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Hey all!

 

I keep hearing that HMCS Haida should be added to the game. I'm curious how large the general interest in this ship is.

So, if you could please:

  • Tell me why you want this ship
  • Tell me if you think it's worth adding to Commonwealth tree, since I personally don't know if a Canadian line is viable at this time but it's fun to imagine
  • Tier Thoughts?
  • General thoughts?

 

Bonus question

  • Should I have gone with Dove_of_War instead, and gone for the irony?

 

 - I sit in my office all day looking across the sea to see Victoria, Canada. I am not Canadian, I love the country, and I have visited this ship. I very much support this ship.

 

- I do think it is worthwhile adding to the Commonwealth ships, and think she like most museum shops should be a premium. Put the Tribal class in the RN tech tree, put the Haida as a Commonwealth premium.  

 

- Tier - she has 3 dual turrets, 1 quad launcher, I think it depends how you balance her. She could go as low as 6, or as high as 8 if she were in a later configuration with radar. She was built to counter Bucky, I mean the Fubuki

 

- Lot of precedent for having museum ships in the game. And I think I could hear LWM squeal on this side of the boarder if she were announced, and I would pay to hear that. 

 

- I would pre order her now. I would love this ship, I would play a bazillion games in her. 


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Don't stop there, while we're at it, throw in the Indefatigable-class battlecruiser we would have gotten if Canada agreed to the "Dominion-defence" plan raised in the 1909 Imperial Conference.  

 

our own battlecruiser...

 

I would usually agree but there is not even a name, so it would be a completely made-up ship, atleast name and modification wise. Although, it would take the wind out of the Aussies sails if Canada got a Indefatigable class before them :trollface: Edited by xX_Critical_ClopOut69_Xx

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Although, it would take the wind out of the Aussies sails if Canada got a Indefatigable class before them :trollface:

 

hahahaha indeed! 

 

And hey, any excuse to get more Canadian ships in game? fine by me :P

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