244 [PRVTR] General_Strom Beta Testers 417 posts 4,897 battles Report post #1 Posted April 30, 2017 Bogue is worthless either I have to many fighters and NO damage or NO fighters and all my planes get shot down. Let not forget ii is SLOWER then a snail in 50 feet of snow! I can see why there are not many CV players in the higher tiers as I too am about to give up on them. Not having much better luck with the tier 5 Japanese CV either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
873 [SCCC] Peregrinas Members 3,181 posts 17,491 battles Report post #2 Posted April 30, 2017 Before the mirror MM changes, balanced Bogue (1/1/0) was best Bogue. I don't want to touch that ship now with mirror CV MM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,367 Palladia Members 2,688 posts 4,560 battles Report post #3 Posted April 30, 2017 Bogue is worthless either I have to many fighters and NO damage or NO fighters and all my planes get shot down. Let not forget ii is SLOWER then a snail in 50 feet of snow! I can see why there are not many CV players in the higher tiers as I too am about to give up on them. Not having much better luck with the tier 5 Japanese CV either. The Zuiho is actually a really good ship. The problem is that you're almost always going to run up against AS Bogues and that can put a damper on things. Learn to use that fighter to distract your opponent if it comes down to it and cross drop on your targets. The important part about cross dropping is timing, the second drop has to occur shortly after the first or your opponent is just going to hop scotch through them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
523 [HINON] Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper Members 2,136 posts 5,764 battles Report post #4 Posted April 30, 2017 Play with the stock 110 layout then, that one is the best of the three. I just finished grinding it and ended with a 90% Winrate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,880 [WTFS] TheKrimzonDemon Members 9,331 posts 13,756 battles Report post #5 Posted April 30, 2017 My question to you is: Did it hurt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,693 [FOXEH] BladedPheonix Alpha Tester 6,885 posts 21,755 battles Report post #6 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) once you get tier 6 CVs become WAY better. WG nerfed CVS a few patches ago to prevcent seaclubing and it really backfired! If you ask me, they should have only removed manual torpedos for tier 4 and kept everything else for the CVS. also having no strafe ability until tier 6 is just stupid because tier 6 CVS can wreck tier 5 CVS with their Strafes! Edited April 30, 2017 by BladedPheonix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
139 Sethanas Members 739 posts 7,780 battles Report post #7 Posted April 30, 2017 Bogue is worthless either I have to many fighters and NO damage or NO fighters and all my planes get shot down. Let not forget ii is SLOWER then a snail in 50 feet of snow! I can see why there are not many CV players in the higher tiers as I too am about to give up on them. Not having much better luck with the tier 5 Japanese CV either. Go strike, bait planes towards you, dodge torps like a baws get clear skies with no fighters and still do 80K dmg, that was the highlight game for the bogue in my case. My opinion, play strike, because if you do run into an AS he's already handicapped, all he can really do is piss you off... Take your time, find an opening send everything and delete someone, rinse and repeat. Now that there's no more strafe at t4-5 you should be able to work around the zui's fighters easily enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
227 [SPTR] SullyQuindarius Members 2,462 posts 3,945 battles Report post #8 Posted April 30, 2017 Don't do US CVs, they are awful. Do IJN, Hosho/Zuiho are great first carriers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
82 InspGadgt Alpha Tester 874 posts 5,544 battles Report post #9 Posted April 30, 2017 It gets better around T7...the first few tiers are pretty painful...especially in USN CVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
244 [PRVTR] General_Strom Beta Testers 417 posts 4,897 battles Report post #10 Posted May 1, 2017 Thanks for the info! Is it better to have dive bombers run the bow to the back for attack from the side? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,644 [O7] 1nv4d3rZ1m Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester 12,147 posts 9,111 battles Report post #11 Posted May 1, 2017 It gets better around T7...the first few tiers are pretty painful...especially in USN CVs. That's kind of the opposite of my experience, I did well in the USN CVs until tier 7 running balanced and then ran into issues because the ranger does not put enough planes in the air with the balanced loadout and the other two are so limited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
419 [BLNCE] Xenomancers Members 2,293 posts 7,604 battles Report post #12 Posted May 1, 2017 Thanks for the info! Is it better to have dive bombers run the bow to the back for attack from the side? Dive bombers attack from the bow or stern. Autodrops are decent if the ship is turning- if the ship isn't turning you can get a wicked bomb hit though with a manual drop. Torp bombers attempt to drop on the side. Always manual drop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #13 Posted May 1, 2017 That's kind of the opposite of my experience, I did well in the USN CVs until tier 7 running balanced and then ran into issues because the ranger does not put enough planes in the air with the balanced loadout and the other two are so limited. Tier 7 also has to deal with Saipan, which many carrier captains have a hard time with. And Kaga, coming soon, will make tier 7 carriers even more difficult due to her huge hanger count. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7 joshua011 Members 104 posts 1,186 battles Report post #14 Posted May 1, 2017 Try the 0/1/2 setup, don't launch planes immediately when battle starts, wait to see where enemy fighters go, and go opposite side, try to strike enemy CV off guard and let top squad go in first, wait for enemy CV to use his repair party before letting your 2 bombs go in and set him on fire, kills him most of the time. Then get support from friendly cruisers and BBs to shoot down enemy fighters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
442 [K0] Flashtirade Members 1,758 posts 10,186 battles Report post #15 Posted May 1, 2017 That's kind of the opposite of my experience, I did well in the USN CVs until tier 7 running balanced and then ran into issues because the ranger does not put enough planes in the air with the balanced loadout and the other two are so limited. Balanced Ranger is actually quite workable. Against other Rangers. Anything else driven by a semi-competent captain will tear it apart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,644 [O7] 1nv4d3rZ1m Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester 12,147 posts 9,111 battles Report post #16 Posted May 1, 2017 Balanced Ranger is actually quite workable. Against other Rangers. Anything else driven by a semi-competent captain will tear it apart. The only fair fight for a range is vs another ranger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
82 InspGadgt Alpha Tester 874 posts 5,544 battles Report post #17 Posted May 1, 2017 Thanks for the info! Is it better to have dive bombers run the bow to the back for attack from the side? You want to attack down the center line of the ship approaching from either the front or rear. That's kind of the opposite of my experience, I did well in the USN CVs until tier 7 running balanced and then ran into issues because the ranger does not put enough planes in the air with the balanced loadout and the other two are so limited. The Ranger used to be a pretty good ship until WG started making all kinds of changes to CVs. I really wanted to say it gets better at tier 9 and 10...but didn't want to discourage him too much. Essex and Midway are really the only non-premium USN CVs that I find enjoyable because they can somewhat stand up to their IJN counterparts. IJN still has the advantage but it doesn't seem as big there for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites