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Hi guys, what do you think about a premium german cv? Graf zeppeling looks awesome and with the luftwaffe......needs to be very challenging to beat. 

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The Graf Zepplin should be coming out as a premium German CV, possibly this year. The Luftwaffe has no actual history as a carrier air arm, so their effectiveness shouldn't be any more impresive than that of other equal tier CVs.

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The Graf Zepplin should be coming out as a premium German CV, possibly this year. The Luftwaffe has no actual history as a carrier air arm, so their effectiveness shouldn't be any more impresive than that of other equal tier CVs.

 

The Luftwaffe actually owned and operated their own catapult ships during WWII. Most notable of these being Falke and Bussard.

 

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The Graf Zepplin should be coming out as a premium German CV, possibly this year. The Luftwaffe has no actual history as a carrier air arm, so their effectiveness shouldn't be any more impresive than that of other equal tier CVs.

 

That's truth, but I think a tier 6 or 7 with a 2 fighters (109) 2 bombers (stuka) adding the siren (lol) will be something viable and near the history, because torp bombing is not accurate, and 109's dogfight was very respectable during the war.

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GZ will be interesting due to her (should be) powerful secondary battery.

 

Not her Luftwaffe pilots.

 

Probably not.

 

Kaga had that 10x200mm, but those aren't exactly awesome in game.

 

If GZ ever makes it into the game, it's probably going to be more like a T8 Saipan. with T10 planes, and maybe the T9 plane speed/HP slot.

 

The hull, with the tonnage and armour is basically a T8 CV, but her plane capacity is worse than Ryujo.

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Probably not.

 

Kaga had that 10x200mm, but those aren't exactly awesome in game.

 

If GZ ever makes it into the game, it's probably going to be more like a T8 Saipan. with T10 planes, and maybe the T9 plane speed/HP slot.

 

The hull, with the tonnage and armour is basically a T8 CV, but her plane capacity is worse than Ryujo.

 

There are rumors floating around that GZ's secondaries are going to be manually controlled like main battery guns. So far, though, they are just that, rumors.

 

Plane capacity is completely up to WG. Her historical capacity was only so low because that's all the planes the Luftwaffe agreed to give her (The Kriegsmarine and the Luftwaffe didn't get along very well at all) and not because she lacked hangar space (she actually had more hangar space than the massive USS Lexington). In short, WG has some wiggle room in deciding how many planes GZ gets.

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The Luftwaffe actually owned and operated their own catapult ships during WWII. Most notable of these being Falke and Bussard.

 

Image result for falke and bussard

 

T3 Premium German CV... 1 x bomber squad with 3 aircraft, and no fighters... maybe two aircraft in reserve, or none...

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Probably not.

 

Kaga had that 10x200mm, but those aren't exactly awesome in game.

 

If GZ ever makes it into the game, it's probably going to be more like a T8 Saipan. with T10 planes, and maybe the T9 plane speed/HP slot.

 

The hull, with the tonnage and armour is basically a T8 CV, but her plane capacity is worse than Ryujo.I

Between her 150mm and 105mm guns Her secondary is on par with high tier German BBs...

Between that and "national flavor" I have a feeling you are going to see a simaler ROF and range.

 

As far as planes... possible.

 

 

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Pretty much confirmed, just not tier. I'd rather see it in a tech tree (even a quick search nets enough results for most of a line, and WG has way more, and better, resources) but as I've said before, it's a tier 6 ship, with heavily nerfed secondaries, and that's a best case scenario, worst case is a tier 8 that is hilariously incapable of operating. They would have to go completely unhistorical otherwise, something Wargaming seems to try and avoid on premiums (Hell Saipanhas good reasons to be unhistorical and isn't).

 

They either give it 109"T"'s, which are basically 109E's with naval modifications, that are a tier 5 ish fighter, maybe 6, if they give it the biplanes that's tier 4-5 TB, and Stuka is 5, 6 if you stretch it. If they go with a proposed potential alternative, you get Stuka's on both TB and DB roles, again, max tier 6, and one of the many projects labled "Me-155"that fell apart, which amounts to the same really as a BF-109F or G, I forget which off the top of my head at the moment, but still, a plane that only performs at a tier 6 or 7 range. And while Wargaming may have wiggle room on aircraft numbers due to lack of folding wings on the 109's (sources seem to flip flop on if the stuka's had them) and a possible deck park scenario, the aircraft she should have are lower-mid tier at best, and if they wanna deviate from that then I say we deviate on Saipan and it's tier 9 nonsense.

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Pretty much confirmed, just not tier. I'd rather see it in a tech tree (even a quick search nets enough results for most of a line, and WG has way more, and better, resources) but as I've said before, it's a tier 6 ship, with heavily nerfed secondaries, and that's a best case scenario, worst case is a tier 8 that is hilariously incapable of operating. They would have to go completely unhistorical otherwise, something Wargaming seems to try and avoid on premiums (Hell Saipanhas good reasons to be unhistorical and isn't).

 

They either give it 109"T"'s, which are basically 109E's with naval modifications, that are a tier 5 ish fighter, maybe 6, if they give it the biplanes that's tier 4-5 TB, and Stuka is 5, 6 if you stretch it. If they go with a proposed potential alternative, you get Stuka's on both TB and DB roles, again, max tier 6, and one of the many projects labled "Me-155"that fell apart, which amounts to the same really as a BF-109F or G, I forget which off the top of my head at the moment, but still, a plane that only performs at a tier 6 or 7 range. And while Wargaming may have wiggle room on aircraft numbers due to lack of folding wings on the 109's (sources seem to flip flop on if the stuka's had them) and a possible deck park scenario, the aircraft she should have are lower-mid tier at best, and if they wanna deviate from that then I say we deviate on Saipan and it's tier 9 nonsense.

 

The Q&A that she and Roma appeared in said she'd be tier 8.

 

The Ju87C definitely had folding wings, we have oodles of historical pictures showing as much.

 

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And while the 109T did not have foldable wings her wings could be easily removed (as was the case with all Bf109 models) for close-quarters storage in the hangar. 

 

Edit: as for seeing her in the tech-tree there is still hope for GZ's never-finished sister ship, the Peter Strasser. (seen in the inset in the upper left-hand corner, the main picture is of GZ under construction)

 

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Between her 150mm and 105mm guns Her secondary is on par with high tier German BBs...

Between that and "national flavor" I have a feeling you are going to see a simaler ROF and range.

 

As far as planes... possible.

 

 

 

I hope secondaries aren't it's "flavor". I, and many other just want our beloved Fritz X bombs.

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I hope secondaries aren't it's "flavor". I, and many other just want our beloved Fritz X bombs.

 

​That will not be happening. None of the planes Graf Zeppelin could operate were capable of dropping a Fritz X. 

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The Q&A that she and Roma appeared in said she'd be tier 8.

 

The Ju87C definitely had folding wings, we have oodles of historical pictures showing as much.

 

GKhUEsK.png

 

WUVaRHo.png

lPcZtVS.png

 

And while the 109T did not have foldable wings her wings could be easily removed (as was the case with all Bf109 models) for close-quarters storage in the hangar. 

 

Edit: as for seeing her in the tech-tree there is still hope for GZ's never-finished sister ship, the Peter Strasser. (seen in the inset in the upper left-hand corner, th

 

 

I very much doubt she will be T8. T6 is more likely with that plane complement. It's between Independence and Ryujo. 

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The Luftwaffe actually owned and operated their own catapult ships during WWII. Most notable of these being Falke and Bussard.

Cheers dseehafer, I didn't know that :honoring:

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That will not be happening. None of the planes Graf Zeppelin could operate were capable of dropping a Fritz X. 

 

GZ launched her planes using catapults... I see no reason why a Do217 can't be launched from a catapult. :trollface:

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I very much doubt she will be T8. T6 is more likely with that plane complement. It's between Independence and Ryujo. 

 

Again, the complement is a non-issue. GZ had more hangar space than the Lexington. The Luftwaffe is what limmited her plane complement. In WOWS there are no Kriegsmarine-Luftwaffe hate politics to interfere with plane complement. GZ has more hitpoints, armor, and secondarys than either Ryujo or Independence and is also faster than either of them.... throw in the manual secondarys she's rumored to be getting and there's no way she's a tier 6.
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Not gonna lie, a brawling secondary build aircraft carrier would be friggin hilarious.

 

I'm gonna cry fowl if we don't get dive bomber sirens...that will have to be a mod.

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I want to buy the Graf Zepplin CV as much as the Kaga JPN CV.

Me too, I don't want to have any of them.

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Anyone else have a German CV captain....cause I do.

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GZ launched her planes using catapults... I see no reason why a Do217 can't be launched from a catapult. :trollface:

 

​They could be launched from a catapult. They could NOT be launched from those catapults. Graf Zeppelin's catapults could launch a 2,500 kg (5,500 lb) fighter or a 5,000 kg (11,000 lb) bomber. A Do217K model's loaded takeoff weight is about 16,465kg. That's more than triple what GZ catapults were rated to launch.  I am not aware of any catapult of that era which could launch a loaded bomber of that size at sufficient speed for it to take off. That would require something closer to a modern steam catapult on a supercarrier. Also, the wingspan on the Dorniers is too big to fit down the elevator well in GZ and they weigh 3x what the elevators could handle. GZ could not launch them. She could try to do something like Hornet in the Doolittle raid but those had to be heavily stripped down to make that work. I doubt you could strip a Do217K down  to be light enough to take off that way and still carry a FritzX especially since GZ had a shorter deck than Hornet did.  

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Anyone else have a German CV captain....cause I do.

 

​I don't, but I have enough German captains to convert one when she becomes available. :)

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They could be launched from a catapult. They could NOT be launched from those catapults. Graf Zeppelin's catapults could launch a 2,500 kg (5,500 lb) fighter or a 5,000 kg (11,000 lb) bomber. A Do217K model's loaded takeoff weight is about 16,465kg. That's more than triple what GZ catapults were rated to launch.  I am not aware of any catapult of that era which could launch a loaded bomber of that size at sufficient speed for it to take off. That would require something closer to a modern steam catapult on a supercarrier. Also, the wingspan on the Dorniers is too big to fit down the elevator well in GZ and they weigh 3x what the elevators could handle. GZ could not launch them. She could try to do something like Hornet in the Doolittle raid but those had to be heavily stripped down to make that work. I doubt you could strip a Do217K down  to be light enough to take off that way and still carry a FritzX especially since GZ had a shorter deck than Hornet did.  

 

Jeez... you'd think the trollface would be enough to get the point across that I was kidding...

 

 

But, if we're being serious now.. you don't even ned to strip down the Do217 to get her to launch the "traditional" way.... you just use rockets...

 

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