Can we have at least 1 heal on the Mogami

[lipiru]

 

Atago has 2 heals, with captain perk and premium consumables you can get 4 heals.

Mogami has no heal

 

Atago has 41mm mid deck armor, 18 inch shell cannot over match (yes Yamato shell cannot over match)

Mogami has 25mm deck armor, 15 inch shell can over match

 

I just want to ask: with recent buff on the German Tier 8 CAs, can we get some love on the Mogami, since this is a super ultra squishy ship. 

Can we have at least 1 heal on the Mogami? or Buff its armor?

 

Side notes:

1. I was sad when they nerfed the 155mm guns back in the old days with AFT and EM nerf

2. WG, I still have hope in your balancing department, and yes I bought the Atago to support this FREE TO PLAY game .

 

lipiru

 

[TheStarSlayer]

She just got a big buff on her 155s' turret traverse on top of the IFHE Memes, I'd wager WG will want to measure the results before they throw anything else her way.

[lipiru]

She just got a big buff on her 155s' turret traverse on top of the IFHE Memes, I'd wager WG will want to measure the results before they throw anything else her way.

 

Agree IFHE helps the 155mm a lot, however without SF capability, in a BB heavy meta, this ship is still really weak IMHO, any BB looks at her she is risking to lose half HP even angled.

[TheStarSlayer]

 

Agree IFHE helps the 155mm a lot, however without SF capability, in a BB heavy meta, this ship is still really weak IMHO, any BB looks at her she is risking to lose half HP even angled.

 

Well the turret traverse buff means she can dance now without having her guns performing their best dead sloth impression trying to keep on reticle.  She's still squishy but Mogami probably is in the best spot she has been since the halcyon days of Trogdor the Burninator.

[Viscount]

well the premium Atago is really a tier 9 ship getting to play in tier 8, compare how the mogami does to the new orleans and hipper..it does well for itself.

[mohawkdriver]

Fully support this initiative.  10/10

[MidnightShamalan]

it's easy to say a ship needs a buff when it's compared to a borderline overpowered ship.

 

now, if you were to say that all cruisers T6-8 need a heal, i'd be on board.

[Battlecruiser_Amagi]

well the premium Atago is really a tier 9 ship getting to play in tier 8, compare how the mogami does to the new orleans and hipper..it does well for itself.

 

Buff the ROF and increase the range to 17km, and then you've got yourself a T9. But she ain't no T9 at her current state.

[lipiru]

it's easy to say a ship needs a buff when it's compared to a borderline overpowered ship.

 

now, if you were to say that all cruisers T6-8 need a heal, i'd be on board.

 

I just want to show the drastic difference in power level of same tier silver and gold ships, I agree that NO, Hipper and Chap all need buffs on survivability, 1 heal would be really nice.

 

lipiru

[Battlecruiser_Siegfried]

+1'd. I do not intend to play Mogami, but it could really use a heal. That's just the game this has evolved into.

[crzyhawk]

Only if the other cruisers get it.  Mogami is more than fine.

[lipiru]

 

Buff the ROF and increase the range to 17km, and then you've got yourself a T9. But she ain't no T9 at her current state.

 

Agree, Atago is like a tier 8.5 ship. 

[lipiru]

Issue with Mogami is that BB at tier 7 to tier 10 (except the shinny horse) will over match her deck armor, which truly making her super squishy.

 

lipiru

[Battlecruiser_Amagi]

By the way, the only real problem is that T6's would get further shafted at the expense of more comfortable T8 cruisers... T8 sees a more balanced blend of T6-10. Whereas T 5 sees T 5-8, with T7+s being quite common. So in a way, heals on all T8 cruisers would hurt T6's quite a bit more. Unless we also give some heals to T5-6 cruisers, this won't work out pretty well.

[BURN_Miner]

 

I just want to show the drastic difference in power level of same tier silver and gold ships, I agree that NO, Hipper and Chap all need buffs on survivability, 1 heal would be really nice.

 

lipiru

 

Run a stealth build, play it like you're in a stealth build and don't try to tank. It's chess, not checkers - meaning don't run into a China Shop and start juggling cups.... Something is bound to break.

 

Think ahead with positioning (IE where a DD is most likely to pop smoke), give yourself "an out" when it's needed, in other words, think ahead. It's "sort of" like the Atlanta... An Atlanta is an arguable ship in the sense, a lot of players will say "it's utter trash" and they will be quick to point out the Belfast, the Flint, etc. However, a **Seasoned** Atlanta Captain will shut down other players and even sections of maps.

 

I've argued about "white washing" the game as I've seen it in other genre's. It's simply bad across the board. To put it as simply as I can, if ship (A) in ship line (B) and has ability (1) and people complain, get what they want. Now what's the point/purpose of buying or even leveling ship (A)? What does it really bring to the table?

 

Think of radar as the ability.

Think of healing as the ability.

Smoke.

Hydro.

AAA.

etc.....

 

These are all features I've seen listed as people saying they want on their favorite CA/DD/BB... So if said favorite ship or class had this or these abilities, what would be the point of leveling more than 1 line, 1 class? Flavor? Sorry, but this would take the "flavor" out of the game and it starts with "just 1 heal, I mean, The Atago has this, that and the other, just 1 heal wouldn't hurt..."

 

EDIT: And as I posted, I'd like to thank Crzhawk for bolstering my point for me... "Only if the other cruisers get it."

 

To take just the first sentence.. Now I get his premise that the Mogami is fine and I agree with him, but the first sentence is where it would end up.. It starts with "just 1 heal on just 1 ship", then trickles down to "why not the Myoko, why not, why not why not.

[lipiru]

By the way, the only real problem is that T6's would get further shafted at the expense of more comfortable T8 cruisers... T8 sees a more balanced blend of T6-10. Whereas T 5 sees T 5-8, with T7+s being quite common. So in a way, heals on all T8 cruisers would hurt T6's quite a bit more. Unless we also give some heals to T5-6 cruisers, this won't work out pretty well.

 

Good perspective Excield, I however only partially agree. Looking at the power level of tier 6-8 matches. Tier 8 BBs has big guns + 5 heals and lots of HP + 32mm bow armor. Tier 8 CAs mostly are as squishy as tier 6 CAs in front of 15/16 inch guns. 1 heal is much needed I would say, however 2 heals (stock) would be a bit much, in order for the Tier 8 CAs to match closer to Tier 8 BBs power level. 

[lipiru]

These are all features I've seen listed as people saying they want on their favorite CA/DD/BB... So if said favorite ship or class had this or these abilities, what would be the point of leveling more than 1 line, 1 class? Flavor? Sorry, but this would take the "flavor" out of the game and it starts with "just 1 heal, I mean, The Atago has this, that and the other, just 1 heal wouldn't hurt..."

 

I have to disagree with respect, tier 8 CA survivability is a big issue in current meta, with exception of Atago and Kutuzov (which has smoke) and RN CA (which has heal + Smoke). I can make tier 8 CA work when they don't have heals however it takes a lot of energy.

 

It is so much more relaxing to play BBs at higher tier.

 

The flavor right now I see in the Mogami is super squishy and damage sponge for BBs lol.

[BURN_Miner]

By the way, the only real problem is that T6's would get further shafted at the expense of more comfortable T8 cruisers... T8 sees a more balanced blend of T6-10. Whereas T 5 sees T 5-8, with T7+s being quite common. So in a way, heals on all T8 cruisers would hurt T6's quite a bit more. Unless we also give some heals to T5-6 cruisers, this won't work out pretty well.

 

Anecdotal evidence is always fun, but you also proved my point just a smidge further as well... Thank you. lol

 

Starts out with "just 1 heal on 1 ship", ends up with "welp, we need to give it to T7, then T6, well now T5 isn't happy may as well give it to them. Well, what about T4, they need to learn a new button. Meh, it's Xmas time, sure....

 

Next patch, BB's get radar to counter the heal that CA's complained about, DD's blame BB's for it.... BB's don't know wth is going on with the change... CV's get homing torpedo's as secondaries to deal with *anyone* within 13km (stealh or not). DD's can now mount 402mm main batteries and have a firing range of 85km as well as a speed boost that's active for 4:37 seconds. Cooldown is 29 seconds.

 

All because of 1 heal.

 

Great.

[BURN_Miner]

 

I have to disagree with respect, tier 8 CA survivability is a big issue in current meta, with exception of Atago and Kutuzov (which has smoke) and RN CA (which has heal + Smoke). I can make tier 8 CA work when they don't have heals however it takes a lot of energy.

 

It is so much more relaxing to play BBs at higher tier.

 

The flavor right now I see in the Mogami is super squishy and damage sponge for BBs lol.

 

Huh.. Sorry, I have to disagree.. I laid out a strat for the Chappy on how to not only live, but get some kills and support the team. With regards to the Mogami, it got a buff this patch and it's one that the community cried for, for a very long time. Honestly, asking for more is simply being greedy. I mean heck, the Mogami has thicker armor than the Chappy.... Mogami has a better Rudder Shift Time as well... Not to mention more health.

[lipiru]

 

All because of 1 heal.

 

Great.

I don't really get your logic my friend, buff and over buff are different. And you cannot assume a buff on one class on one tier will lead to buffs on all tiers in all class. 1 heal on tier 8 CA is much needed, however I would say it might be too much on tier 7 CA since they do meet tier 5s a lot.

[lipiru]

 

Huh.. Sorry, I have to disagree.. I laid out a strat for the Chappy on how to not only live, but get some kills and support the team. With regards to the Mogami, it got a buff this patch and it's one that the community cried for, for a very long time. Honestly, asking for more is simply being greedy. I mean heck, the Mogami has thicker armor than the Chappy.... Mogami has a better Rudder Shift Time as well... Not to mention more health.

I am fine if you think tier 8 CA s are fine, I don't want to argue which CA is better, chap or Mogami, I just want to say they are both (and NO, hipper) struggling too much in front of 16 inch guns.

 

Lipiru

[BURN_Miner]

I don't really get your logic my friend, buff and over buff are different. And you cannot assume a buff on one class on one tier will lead to buffs on all tiers in all class. 1 heal on tier 8 CA is much needed, however I would say it might be too much on tier 7 CA since they do meet tier 5s a lot.

 

All of that post with the CV getting "X", BB's getting "Y" was a rabbit hole. Meaning fantasy land.

 

However, it doesn't take away from the actual premise and in fact, this very topic is proof. The premise of the topic being "Why can't the mogami get a heal, after all the Atago has one". The Atago is a $50 ship, was the only CA to have a heal for a very long time and at that time, the Mogami had the ability to still use 155s. They took that ability away from the Mogami as it was over powered and unintended **at the time**...

 

Fast forward a bit. Now they have given the Mogami the ability to use the 155's BACK, but this time with a NEW Captain skill, IFHE, Penning HE ammo. And that "still" isn't a good enough buff?

 

Let me ask you this, could "positioning" have anything to do with a players survival rate? Could knowing "when to fire", have anything to do with a players survival rate? Could "situational awareness", have anything to do with a players survival rate? Could knowing when to "disengage", have anything to do with a players survival rate?

 

It is not black and white. The Mogami and the Chappy don't simply turn and instantly die. I know this for a fact. Sometimes you have to think before you turn. think before you fire or even NOT fire or wait to turn. I know people don't like those answers, but it is what it is. Asking for a heal, to be bullet proof, etc., won't make those players happy either and will only introduce more problems for the game.

 

EDIT: I can't say much on the Hipper, I'm still working on owning one. lol Just got my Zao, now time to save up for my Baltimore and work on my Des Moines. Then back to the Edinburgh and finally to the Nurnberg where I left off... So many lines, so little time. Oh and now the French... /ug Or sorry, "Le ug"

[lipiru]

I have high tier CA s and believe me I have some clue of how to play them (like position, awareness..), but they are just too weak in front of 16 inch guns in a bb heavy meta, it is so much easier to carry in bbs

[donaldEpott]

well the premium Atago is really a tier 9 ship getting to play in tier 8, compare how the mogami does to the new orleans and hipper..it does well for itself.

 

Thats my point I compare it to the New Orleans and the Mogami does just fine. If anything the New Orleans needs help.

[Battlecruiser_Amagi]

I have high tier CA s and believe me I have some clue of how to play them (like position, awareness..), but they are just too weak in front of 16 inch guns in a bb heavy meta, it is so much easier to carry in bbs

 

Not always.

 

 

Anyway, OP. I do feel you think the Mogami might need a heal because it's squishy. Rather than a heal, though, I'd look for some other buffs elsewhere... Such as maybe a few hundred meters in range and such.

 

As for the other T8 cruisers: The Chapayev is fine where's at (Because range, radar, and AA), and the Hipper is tankey (But could use some more buffs itself, imo in ROF). The Atago, everyone says, is stealthy and tankey when angled, on top of having the heal, so it might not need any buffs for right now. The NO has excellent concealment now, on top of good AA, radar, and recently buffed guns.