British Tier VII Premium Battleship Idea

[mr3awsome]

In the late 1920s, with the end of the battleship building holiday looming, the assorted nations prepared designs to be produced should the London Conference not bear any fruit. This was distinctly possible, as the 1927 Geneva Conference had ended without any agreement.

 

Designed in 1929, armed with 16” guns and the first designs to that end, it had the rather mundane, if practical name of “Battleship 1929 16A”.

 

Design Statistics:

 

Dimensions: 692ft x 106ft x 30ft

Tonnage: 35,000t (standard)

Powerplant: 45,000shp

Speed: 23 knots

Main armament: 4 x II 16”/45 Mk I

Secondary armament: 6 x II BL 6”/50 Mk XXII

                                    4 x II 4.7” BD

Anti-aircraft armament: 4 x II 4.7” BD

                                       6 x VIII 2pdr Mk VIII

Armour: 13” belt abreast magazines, 11” belt abreast machinery

               6.25” deck over magazines, 4.25” over machinery

Aviation: 1 catapult, 1 aircraft.

 

Images:

 

 

 

 

It’s a pretty solid tier VII design. However, the stern mounted catapult was tested on HMS Hood, but proved to be unsatisfactory, and is unlikely to be present in the suggested configuration. Furthermore the 4.7” BD twins were never realised. This means there a several options available:

-  4 x I QF 4.7”/40 Mk VIII on mount HA Mk XII-

-  4 x II QF 4”/45 Mk XV on mount Mk XVII

-  4 x II QF 4”/45 Mk XVI on mount Mk XIX

            -  4 x II QF 4.5”/45 Mk I on mount Mk III UD

Whilst the 2^nd option is the closest, spiritually, to the proposed mount, it proved to be a failure, and those mounts that were tested at sea were replaced with the 3^rd option listed. To that end, I feel like that is the most likely option.

 

Proposed In-Game Stats:

 

General:

Spoiler

Health: 57750

Purchase Price: 10,000 Dubloons

Citadel armour: 59mm-140mm

Gun Casemate armour: 25mm

Armoured Deck: 25mm-159mm

Forward & After Ends armour: 25mm

 

Main Battery:

4 x II 406mm/45 Mk I

2 rpm, 4°/s traverse speed

Unknown Range & Dispersion

5400 HE dmg with a 33% fire chance, 797 mps MV

12000 AP dmg, 797 mps MV

 

Secondary Battery:

         6 x II BL 152mm/50 Mk XXII

5rpm, out to 5.0km

2100 dmg (HE) with 9% fire chance, 898mps MV    

        4 x II QF 102mm/45 Mk XVI

20rpm, out to 5.0km

1,500 dmg (HE) with 6% fire chance, 811mps MV

 

Anti-Aircraft Battery:

            4 x II QF 102mm/45 Mk XVI on mount Mk XIX

 37.6dps @ 5.0km

            6 x VIII 2pdr Mk VIII on mount Mk VI

118.8dps @ 2.5km

            18 x I 20mm Oerlikon on mount Mk III

64.8 dps @ 2.0km

 

Manoeuvrability:

Speed: 23kts

Turning Circle Radius: ?

Rudder Shift Time: ?

 

Concealment:

Surface Detectability Range: ?

Air Detectability Range: ?

 

Battle Levels:

7, 8 & 9

 

Would you buy it?

What should it be called?

 

[paradat]

Errr... you do know the Hood is coming very soon right?

 

So.... yeah Tier 7 Brit premium BB. It will be called the Hood and yes I will buy it.

[richie_macrophage]

cool

[Sinboto]

Errr... you do know the Hood is coming very soon right?

 

So.... yeah Tier 7 Brit premium BB. It will be called the Hood and yes I will buy it.

 

I'm sure he knows that hood is comming. 

 

I'm also sure he knows that hood is a battlecruiser and not a battleship haha. 

 

I'd like to see the HMS Rodney (built) myself, to pair up like Mutsu and Nagato are in game. 

[Dunk_Master_Flex]

 

I'm sure he knows that hood is comming. 

 

I'm also sure he knows that hood is a battlecruiser and not a battleship haha. 

 

I'd like to see the HMS Rodney (built) myself, to pair up like Mutsu and Nagato are in game. 

 

Yeah, Rodney is a pretty easy premium ship. Give her those two torpedo tubes and some very heavy hitting torps in exchange for staying in her Bismarck engagement refit and you have a nice ship. 

[paradat]

 

I'm sure he knows that hood is comming. 

 

I'm also sure he knows that hood is a battlecruiser and not a battleship haha. 

 

I'd like to see the HMS Rodney (built) myself, to pair up like Mutsu and Nagato are in game. 

 

​hehe yeah probably right. Well we will shortly have two prem RN BB. I think we may have a bit of a wait before we see another one.

[Battlecruiser_Siegfried]

23 knots?

 

Nope. Nopenopenopenopenope.

 

Why would I pay for a fictional, poor-man's Nelson with fewer guns?

[Sinboto]

 

Yeah, Rodney is a pretty easy premium ship. Give her those two torpedo tubes and some very heavy hitting torps in exchange for staying in her Bismarck engagement refit and you have a nice ship. 

 

Unfortunately WG has said before that they will not do fixed torpedo tubes, otherwise more BBs would have torps. 

[BladedPheonix]

the blue prints look like HMS Vanguard to an extent.......

 

either way, RN ships are garbage, we don't need anymore of that trash in game........

[El_Judarino]

 

Unfortunately WG has said before that they will not do fixed torpedo tubes, otherwise more BBs would have torps. 

 

I thought the whole point of Mutsu (aside from shameless cash grab reusing preexisting assets) was to try out "fixed" torp tubes on a BB?

 

Or were Mutsu's torps truly some sort of "casemated single tube swivel launcher" system unique to the ship that I hadn't yet learned of.

 

I will readily confess my knowledge is a yard wide but only an inch deep on the subject.

[mofton]

British Colorado competing in a tier with Hood, Rodney and whatever else? I'd love for the game to get to that point, but I think it's a ways off.

 

Her similarity to existing ships doesn't greatly help her cause. I don't think she'd be bad. 

 

 

For names - it's tricky, depending on which ships are used the mythical names are possible premium cruisers, the Admirals are slightly thin on the ground for name recognition + not used elsewhere + moderately impressive sounding (ooh scary, a 'Duncan' is approaching...). Noun names might be best, kind of depends what else was being used. 

 

My vote for good names, not much in demand for other ships would be something like Albion or Bulwark. 

[hoom]

Interesting design, its like 'what happens if Nelson & Warspite had a baby'.

 

Would I buy it? Nope.

Never heard of it before today

45º X turret traverse = shooting 3 turret salvoes most of the time. (Colorado has 30º for 3, 37º for all 4, Nagato 34º for all 4)

[crzyhawk]

In the late 1920s, with the end of the battleship building holiday looming, the assorted nations prepared designs to be produced should the London Conference not bear any fruit. This was distinctly possible, as the 1927 Geneva Conference had ended without any agreement.

 

Designed in 1929, armed with 16” guns and the first designs to that end, it had the rather mundane, if practical name of “Battleship 1929 16A”.

 

Design Statistics:

 

Dimensions: 692ft x 106ft x 30ft

Tonnage: 35,000t (standard)

Powerplant: 45,000shp

Speed: 23 knots

Main armament: 4 x II 16”/45 Mk I

Secondary armament: 6 x II BL 6”/50 Mk XXII

                                    4 x II 4.7” BD

Anti-aircraft armament: 4 x II 4.7” BD

                                       6 x VIII 2pdr Mk VIII

Armour: 13” belt abreast magazines, 11” belt abreast machinery

               6.25” deck over magazines, 4.25” over machinery

Aviation: 1 catapult, 1 aircraft.

 

Images:

 

 

 

 

It’s a pretty solid tier VII design. However, the stern mounted catapult was tested on HMS Hood, but proved to be unsatisfactory, and is unlikely to be present in the suggested configuration. Furthermore the 4.7” BD twins were never realised. This means there a several options available:

-  4 x I QF 4.7”/40 Mk VIII on mount HA Mk XII-

-  4 x II QF 4”/45 Mk XV on mount Mk XVII

-  4 x II QF 4”/45 Mk XVI on mount Mk XIX

            -  4 x II QF 4.5”/45 Mk I on mount Mk III UD

Whilst the 2^nd option is the closest, spiritually, to the proposed mount, it proved to be a failure, and those mounts that were tested at sea were replaced with the 3^rd option listed. To that end, I feel like that is the most likely option.

 

Proposed In-Game Stats:

 

General:

Spoiler

Health: 57750

Purchase Price: 10,000 Dubloons

Citadel armour: 59mm-140mm

Gun Casemate armour: 25mm

Armoured Deck: 25mm-159mm

Forward & After Ends armour: 25mm

 

Main Battery:

4 x II 406mm/45 Mk I

2 rpm, 4°/s traverse speed

Unknown Range & Dispersion

5400 HE dmg with a 33% fire chance, 797 mps MV

12000 AP dmg, 797 mps MV

 

Secondary Battery:

         6 x II BL 152mm/50 Mk XXII

5rpm, out to 5.0km

2100 dmg (HE) with 9% fire chance, 898mps MV    

        4 x II QF 102mm/45 Mk XVI

20rpm, out to 5.0km

1,500 dmg (HE) with 6% fire chance, 811mps MV

 

Anti-Aircraft Battery:

            4 x II QF 102mm/45 Mk XVI on mount Mk XIX

 37.6dps @ 5.0km

            6 x VIII 2pdr Mk VIII on mount Mk VI

118.8dps @ 2.5km

            18 x I 20mm Oerlikon on mount Mk III

64.8 dps @ 2.0km

 

Manoeuvrability:

Speed: 23kts

Turning Circle Radius: ?

Rudder Shift Time: ?

 

Concealment:

Surface Detectability Range: ?

Air Detectability Range: ?

 

Battle Levels:

7, 8 & 9

 

Would you buy it?

What should it be called?

 

 

You had me until I saw 23 knots.  I noped right out.

[MaliceA4Thought]

Buy it.. of course, its Royal navy   

 

As to name.. I thik the Artemis group of names is more cruisers,    how about a British Battleship name that never made it to current history but was well used previously.  HMS Nonsuch??  (yeah I know about the sloop and the captured german DD post war, but it was a capital ship name really)

 

In addition, the RN used HMS Nonsuch when talking about a hypothetical design so it couldn't be more appropriate.

 

M

 

PS whilst were talking British premium BB's  I still want HMS Agincourt

[Battlecruiser_Siegfried]

Buy it.. of course, its Royal navy   

 

As to name.. I thik the Artemis group of names is more cruisers,    how about a British Battleship name that never made it to current history but was well used previously.  HMS Nonsuch??  (yeah I know about the sloop and the captured german DD post war, but it was a capital ship name really)

 

In addition, the RN used HMS Nonsuch when talking about a hypothetical design so it couldn't be more appropriate.

 

M

 

PS whilst were talking British premium BB's  I still want HMS Agincourt

 

The next RN premium capital ship I hope to see is Repulse, since Renown is destined for the tree. 

[crzyhawk]

I want Repulse and Queen Mary something fierce

[SinqueScheiDeMona]

I want Repulse and Queen Mary something fierce

 

there are a slew of jokes here. 

[mr3awsome]

Why would I pay for a fictional, poor-man's Nelson with fewer guns?

Its not fictional, and its hardly a poor man's Nelson. 

 

the blue prints look like HMS Vanguard to an extent.......

Well its hard to make 4 x 2 ABXY designs look different after a while......

 

In addition, the RN used HMS Nonsuch when talking about a hypothetical design so it couldn't be more appropriate.

PS whilst were talking British premium BB's  I still want HMS Agincourt

I'd prefer to have the German DD, honestly. 

Agincourt is a solid choice.