Tirpitz Secondary Buff, I am not a Fan - Discuss

[NoZoupForYou]

I am not a fan of this buff at all.  It completely invalidates the Bismarck.  I will likely sell mine now.  10.6 KM secondaries and torps beats the same and hydro.  And let's not forget that hydro on the Bismarck was nerfed.  Anyhow, let me know your thoughts.  Mine, Tirpitz becomes OP with this buff.

 

First guys, play nice with each other.  That I know I don't need to say   Second, this is to get the community talking, as always.  I'm not set on my views and want to elicit your own views.

 

[Terrible_Turtle]

It becomes OP to the same degree that the tech tree variant is. I don't see that nearly as egregious as the Gnevny vs Gremmy disparity in the "good ol' days". 

 

I'll bet anyone with a Prinz Eugen doesn't play their Admiral Hipper. It's the same thing... it's just that the Bismarck/Tirpitz perform much better than the Eugen/Hipper. 

 

I think most of the salt comes from those that have the Tirpitz but also purchased the premium camo for the Bismarck. I can understand that sentiment because you spent money on a ship that is no longer as unique as it once was. 

 

 

 

 

[JochenHeiden]

Tirpitz cost money, Bismarck is free. The Bismarck is a viable alternative to people that don't want to spend money on a premium ship. I love this buff. Those ships should be very similar in performance and there was no justification for the Tirpitz having a secondary battery nowhere near as capable as its sister ship.

[amazinglyaverage]

Nah the torps on Tirpitz are highly situational at best. I'd rather have the hydro having played both extensively. 

[bad_arcade_kitty]

and they will never nerf tirpitz too, even though she invalidates another historical ship

 

some people have bought tirpitz after the buff, tovarisch))))))

[Sink_Stuff]

You have it completely backwards Zoup. A premium ship is supposed to be a tech tree captain trainer. As you even say, every other high tier German battleship had BETTER secondaries than the Tirpitz did. The entire German BB tech tree INVALIDATED the tier 8 trainer, not the other way around. The Tirpitz was made long before the tech tree ships. To be a valid trainer it needed the same secondaries as it's sister ship since that is an entirely separate captain build.

 

Did you whine that the Alabama invalidated the North Carolina? No you didn't. The only thing you are showing in this video is your own personal bias.

 

And where the heck is the beer review?

[RivertheRoyal]

I'm not gonna complain about it. I mean, sure—they could have bumped the secondary range up to 5.5 km and people would have been fine with the buff. 

But those torpedoes were always kinda situational. They depended on the other player letting you get close.

 

Meh. It's a buff. It means that she's not going to rust in my port anymore.

I know I'll be playing the Bismarck still though. I mean, now I have two T8 German BB's to get that 50% daily win bonus with. 

 

And, it means that there are gonna be quite a few Tirpitz players out.

And I always love the pen damage I can get off of them with the Amagi, or the Alabama. I'm still going to be able to kill them. Business as usual. 

 

   

[Sharkbait_416]

I think this buff makes Tirpitz how it should be set up. If torpedo range was being buffed as well, I could see the issue. It's just a Bismarck with torpedoes now.

 

I don't think it will be OP with extra secondary range.

[SCygnus]

 

Did you whine that the Alabama invalidated the North Carolina?

 

I don't see how Alabama invalidates the NC.

[Cobraclutch]

I have a tirpitz and I do no like the buff. 

 

I think this is a nerf to the tier VI / VII  DD's, it should remained a Bismarck only trait...

 

They just introduced a massive increase in the no of BB's that VI and VII DD's will meet with 10.6km secondaries. 

 

IMHO KM secondaries have become way to strong. To the point were I just remote click a DD within my secondary ranges and just ignore him with my main batteries. 

[MorbidGamer]

I wont rip your head off because as you said your an "average joe".

 

But no this will not make Tirpitz OP. This will no make it P2W and this will not make Bismarck obsolete.

 

Torpedoes are super situational... Even when you do use them there is only around a 10% chance they are going to hit. Plus they can be disabled or destroyed. 

 

Hydro on the other hand is EXTREMELY useful... It can't be disabled or destroyed. It allows you to chase down DD's and to push. You can maintain your secondary's with out having to randomly turn to avoid potential torps. 

[Spyde]

The difference between Hydro and Torps is a wash.

 

Both have their own good points pending the situation.

 

 

Doesn't Bismarck have better armor and AA ?

[bad_arcade_kitty]

Tirpitz cost money, Bismarck is free. The Bismarck is a viable alternative to people that don't want to spend money on a premium ship. I love this buff. Those ships should be very similar in performance and there was no justification for the Tirpitz having a secondary battery nowhere near as capable as its sister ship.

this is a ridiculous post

 

making paid ships better than free ships is the best way to steadily lose your players, nobody wants to play a p2w game where "whales" - the major milk cows, have an advantage over those who wasted less money or didn't spend any (albeit wows extorts some money from everybody); most of people also don't like being milked too

 

wows is right now on the stage "wouldn't advice a friend to play"

[Raven114]

I believe you are wrong. Identical gun's should have identical Stats. WG stop playing ship god. You did it in WOT gun's, and now your trying to unwind it. There has to be a standard that stays constant as the pillar of the game and it is guns. Also torpedo's should be standard as per identical torpedo's should not have different effective ranges. Let the Capt's figure out how to play there respective ships. Trying to make all these ships equal is against what the different ship design's were historically tried to accomplish.

[Stauffenberg44]

I'm not gonna complain about it. I mean, sure—they could have bumped the secondary range up to 5.5 km and people would have been fine with the buff. 

But those torpedoes were always kinda situational. They depended on the other player letting you get close.

 

Meh. It's a buff. It means that she's not going to rust in my port anymore.

I know I'll be playing the Bismarck still though. I mean, now I have two T8 German BB's to get that 50% daily win bonus with. 

 

And, it means that there are gonna be quite a few Tirpitz players out.

And I always love the pen damage I can get off of them with the Amagi, or the Alabama. I'm still going to be able to kill them. Business as usual. 

 

   

 

Agreed +1. I don't mind the paid-for option for others to get an ersatz Bismarck; in any case the Bismarck is still the brash BIsmarck, not the shy Tirp tied up in a fjord historically. ;)

[Edgecase]

This fixes the bug where a destroyer could fire its guns at a German battleship without getting a guaranteed hose-down.

[GhostSwordsman]

Yeah, I feel that 10.6km was too much. I think WG should have started with Scharnhorst and Gneisenau's range, 7.6km I believe?

[Big_Spud]

Zoup continues the trend of people overreacting to everything. The torpedoes on Tirpitz have been extremely situational ever since the first week the ship was released and people realized that just staying beyond 6km kept them safe.

 

You can argue that the AA on Bismarck is also situational, but in most games I guarantee you that it gets more use than Tirpitz torpedoes. The hydro is just icing on the cake for Bismarck.

 

I will say this: I have not played Tirpitz once since Bismarck and Scharnhorst came out. Both of the simply invalidated ever using Tirpitz. Now I have an actual choice.

[Xwing_Red1]

I am not a fan of this buff at all.  It completely invalidates the Bismarck.  I will likely sell mine now.  10.6 KM secondaries and torps beats the same and hydro.  And let's not forget, that hydro was nerfed.  Anyhow, let me know your thoughts.  Mine, Tirpitz becomes OP with this buff.

 

 

"Invalidates Bismarck"  

 

I dont agree,  Bismarck has better rudder and AA. And it is capable of pummeling a Tirptiz on a safe distance from torps range. 

Tirptiz tubes are quite flimsy and it is easy prey fpr Carriers

[Rion12]

I've said my piece on this quite a few times in other threads.

 

I agree with, I think it was Tengu, when he said that if this turns out to be too much of a buff, then WG's going to have a nightmare on their hands because they can either deal with having "Bismarck, but better,"  discontinuing the ship (oh boy, imagine the angry screaming around that one), or having to tell the players "We're going to have to nerf this" (probably will result in even more angry screaming).

 

That said, I don't like that the calls are all praising that the Tirpitz is now on-par with the Bismarck. I personally believe that the Bismarck is one of the more-overtuned ships in the game (due to having so many options and defenses which ultimately leave the ship with few real weaknesses) and shouldn't be taken as the standard which a premium Tier VIII BB should be balanced against. I especially don't like that Bismarck basically packs Tier X secondaries already, and now it's getting thrown onto yet another ship.

 

Is it an "invalidation"? I think that's a bit too much of a stretch. Is it bringing it up to parity? Yeah. But I think it's being brought up to par to the wrong standard.

[scruffycavetroll]

needed...with all the other things that came out since the tirpitz was released and all the other buffs / nerfs that happened, tirpitz is finally good again. 

 

BOth the bis & tirpitz are distinct now. 

 

I want to do tirp & bis div's now. 

[Kitsunelegend]

oh ffs, enough already with this mindset of "oh, X ship was buffed, that makes Y ship completely irrelevant to even play!" No. It does not. Stop thinking that. You're wrong.

 

Bismarck will ALWAYS have a place in this game. She's the bloody Bismarck ffs. On top of that, the Tirpitz plays differently because of her torps. That doesn't at all make Bismarck invalidated. Period.

 

This bloody mindset needs to stop. Its getting old.

[NoZoupForYou]

It becomes OP to the same degree that the tech tree variant is. I don't see that nearly as egregious as the Gnevny vs Gremmy disparity in the "good ol' days". 

 

I'll bet anyone with a Prinz Eugen doesn't play their Admiral Hipper. It's the same thing... it's just that the Bismarck/Tirpitz perform much better than the Eugen/Hipper. 

 

I think most of the salt comes from those that have the Tirpitz but also purchased the premium camo for the Bismarck. I can understand that sentiment because you spent money on a ship that is no longer as unique as it once was. 

 

 

 

 

 

It's interesting because even though I bought the premium camo, I really don;t care about losing out on it...  really, It's just a baffling move in general.  I still contend both were balanced out nicely.

[MaliceA4Thought]

I am not a fan of this buff at all.  It completely invalidates the Bismarck.  I will likely sell mine now.  10.6 KM secondaries and torps beats the same and hydro.  And let's not forget that hydro on the Bismarck was nerfed.  Anyhow, let me know your thoughts.  Mine, Tirpitz becomes OP with this buff.

 

 

Sorry think you're completely wrong with this.

 

Bismark has Hydro and much better AA and better rudder..  the torps, if anything have been negated somewhat in this change because when the secondaries go off, people will turn away making the TT's even more situational than they already are.

 

People were complaining on release about how OP the Hydro was on Bismark, and yet now the Tirpitz gets the better secondaries, all of a sudden the Hydro is NOT that much of a problem?  Sorry people have to work out what IS important and noit just "whine" over the latest thing.

 

Bismark also has better rudder.   You need to look at EVERY feature on a ship, not just cherry pick a few..  it invalidates your arguments and perhaps makes people think that some of the reviews may not be 100% either.  In addition, you also seem to forget the complaints about how vulnerable the TT's are to HE fire.

 

Finally, same ships with the same weapons should have same ranges.

 

Invalidating Bismark is a silly idea as not everyone can afford pixel ships and the Bismark is still a very valid ship and plays differently to Tirpitz.

 

Sorry Zoup.. think you are completely wrong on this..  and need to think again.

 

M

[_ENO_]

Normally I'd be happy for a buff to a ship I already have- but this just seems like some lazy, poorly thought out reach to freshen up a money maker. I'm all for making a buck but for all the reasons already mentioned Bismark just lost its identity. I don't recall- is bismarks accuracy or speed better than tirpitz? 

 

Give me back the old hydro and I'd be happy. Give me some reason to believe the premium is not heads and tails as good or better than the tech tree ship and I'll be fine. As is- not particularly impressed but admit there may be some finer point specs that have eluded me.