1 [N0KAP] BlackBeard_DEF Beta Testers 7 posts 27,061 battles Report post #1 Posted April 17, 2017 Not to complain about a free ship but I am very disappointed in the the USS Black. Unlike Flint vs Atlanta, where the Flint is has a slight advantage over the Atlanta, the Fletcher is hands down better then the Black. Black has a pathetic torpedo speed of 43kn and a range of 13.7km compared to the Fletcher's speed of 66kn and 10.5km range. Even if you increase the speed of the torpedo with the torpedo acceleration captain skill......still leaves torpedo speed under 50kn with range of 10.5KM which almost any Captain can avoid at that level. Having the same engine as a Fletcher, the Black is slower and less r maneuverable (How is that possible). Granted the Black has the option for radar but it's 20s duration and 7.5km spotting range really does not make it worth losing Engine boost over. Being a premium ship is an advantage but with the poor specs, I would be more inclined to use another method to train captains. Am I missing anything that makes the Black even comparable to is counter part? Hoping WG makes some modifications to ship, otherwise it will be sitting in dock collecting dust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,478 [HINON] renegadestatuz Members 7,656 posts 9,539 battles Report post #2 Posted April 17, 2017 Seriously doubt they will be buffing the black anytime soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,150 [HINON] RivertheRoyal Privateers 6,266 posts 3,405 battles Report post #3 Posted April 17, 2017 Can I have your Black, if you don't want it? 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,578 Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,692 posts 14,320 battles Report post #4 Posted April 17, 2017 Black is still enough to make enemy fleets cower in fear since they know it takes a good player to earn one of those ships, I much prefer the idea of sinmly destroying the problem, but what can I say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,728 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 17,538 posts 12,810 battles Report post #5 Posted April 17, 2017 yeah, radar on a highly concealable DD sucks so bad. Who would ever want that POS? 15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
313 Ajax_the_Great1 Members 1,128 posts 7,268 battles Report post #6 Posted April 17, 2017 Garbage? I do not think this word means what you think it means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21 [SIMP] AdmiralDrake Alpha Tester 65 posts 7,409 battles Report post #7 Posted April 17, 2017 Can't tell if troll or serious about the torps In case of OP being serious, just hover over the torps in port and look at the detection range Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
846 [LOU1] ExploratorOne Members 4,369 posts 15,198 battles Report post #8 Posted April 17, 2017 Flamu disagrees (radar apparently nerfed after this review): Notser after the radar nerf: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,150 [HINON] RivertheRoyal Privateers 6,266 posts 3,405 battles Report post #9 Posted April 17, 2017 I'm sorry, but can we just go back, and stop to think about this for a little bit longer? OP, you have the Black, one of the most unfair and overpowered DD hunters in the game, and you think it's a bad ship? Dude. Really? You think the radar isn't worth it? That the nuke tipped stealthy mines it launches are worthless? My god. Like I said, I'd be willing to take that ship off your hands if there was a way. Certainly, it would be fun face-rolling other DD's in randoms with her. However, for now, I'd suggest educating yourself as to the ship you have. It looks like you don't appreciate her enough, nor have you learned about her quirks and specialties. Look up videos on Youtube. Figure out exactly why people are calling her OP as all hell. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
193 [WG-CC] Vanessaira -Members- 385 posts 4,941 battles Report post #10 Posted April 17, 2017 I love the USS Sims, and it's Sea Mines, so I know I would love USS Black. Fletcher class being my favorite destroyer class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 [N0KAP] BlackBeard_DEF Beta Testers 7 posts 27,061 battles Report post #11 Posted April 17, 2017 Can't tell if troll or serious about the torps In case of OP being serious, just hover over the torps in port and look at the detection range Can't tell if troll or serious about the torps In case of OP being serious, just hover over the torps in port and look at the detection range Granted detection is low (1km).....but with sub 50kn speed it still leaves a ton of time to react and the slightest change in coarse magnifies the issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,940 [ASHIP] Grevester Members 5,454 posts 12,933 battles Report post #12 Posted April 17, 2017 Lol, why does it need to be better than Fletcher? Just because people foolishly assumed it would be OP and couldn't stop having a fit about it? You own something unique, something a very very small amount of players will ever own. Premiums should be a unique play, like Dunkerque or Graf Spee, not just better ships because they are premium. 40 NA players currently have this. You stand out. That and the other rewards should be enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21 [SIMP] AdmiralDrake Alpha Tester 65 posts 7,409 battles Report post #13 Posted April 17, 2017 Granted detection is low (1km).....but with sub 50kn speed it still leaves a ton of time to react and the slightest change in coarse magnifies the issue. Dude that detection is so low that its almost impossible to dodge unless you are already turning. I've also seen a lot of ships over turn and end up hitting them because the torps are unexpectedly slow which ends up making the torps good imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,940 [ASHIP] Grevester Members 5,454 posts 12,933 battles Report post #14 Posted April 17, 2017 Flamu disagrees (radar apparently nerfed after this review): Yeah, who cares? German DDs have similar functionality. Their perma spot consumable may be about 2km shorter, but it lasts 6x as long. Notser IIRC said Black was OP because it could radar a gearing that was ~3km from it, and that made it broken. GERMAN DDS, enough said. Just because they make videos doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,150 [HINON] RivertheRoyal Privateers 6,266 posts 3,405 battles Report post #15 Posted April 17, 2017 Granted detection is low (1km).....but with sub 50kn speed it still leaves a ton of time to react and the slightest change in coarse magnifies the issue. Players have something like 7.8 seconds to react to Black's torpedoes. The reaction time for Fletcher's torpedoes is 8.9 sec, last I heard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 [N0KAP] BlackBeard_DEF Beta Testers 7 posts 27,061 battles Report post #16 Posted April 17, 2017 Flamu disagrees (radar apparently nerfed after this review): Notser after the radar nerf: 20K damage in a Black OP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,285 battles Report post #17 Posted April 17, 2017 Can I Haz urz plox? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,882 [WTFS] TheKrimzonDemon Members 9,336 posts 13,771 battles Report post #18 Posted April 17, 2017 Well, I think it's clear you didn't earn her playing a DD. Anyone who does play DD's would sell at least a few fingers for her. I'd fork over a few toes, personally. I need my fingers. You, you need your head examined. From the inside. With a blender. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,940 [ASHIP] Grevester Members 5,454 posts 12,933 battles Report post #19 Posted April 17, 2017 Black is still enough to make enemy fleets cower in fear since they know it takes a good player to earn one of those ships, I much prefer the idea of sinmly destroying the problem, but what can I say. Black is enough to get focused heavily in these top tier enviroments. They may be owned by mostly exceptional players, but the target you have on yourself puts you in check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,320 battles Report post #20 Posted April 17, 2017 Hey if you don't want your USS Black, I'm taking donations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
57 [FAQUE] Tembin Members 523 posts 8,092 battles Report post #21 Posted April 17, 2017 In an unrelated video, Flamu pointed out a couple torp reaction times. The black with torp acceleration is extremely good with something like 8 seconds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
251 [0ASIS] HKRevolutionOfOurTime Members 842 posts 9,792 battles Report post #22 Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Flint has a slight advantage over the Atlanta? The ability to make your own cover anywhere without excessive reliance on islands is a slight advantage? Granted the Black has the option for radar but it's 20s duration and 7.5km spotting range really does not make it worth losing Engine boost over. Dude, one of them gives you marginal benefits. The other one can straight up give you a kill in the first 5 mins. Edited April 17, 2017 by CarefreeTongue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,750 [FOXEH] Kitsunelegend Beta Testers 6,103 posts 1,313 battles Report post #23 Posted April 17, 2017 Gonna say this once, cause it seems like everyone and their mother doesn't seem to see what I do...and have experienced first hand... Do not, EVER, underestimate 43kn torpedoes ESPECIALLY if they're long ranged like the Black's...in fact, I'd rather have slow long range torps on any DD than really fast torps, even if they're long range. Why? Its all about the bait and switch. Make them watch your left hand and forget the danger in the right hand. After all...most players tend to expect torps coming from the direction of the DD itself... ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 [N0KAP] BlackBeard_DEF Beta Testers 7 posts 27,061 battles Report post #24 Posted April 17, 2017 Well, I think it's clear you didn't earn her playing a DD. Anyone who does play DD's would sell at least a few fingers for her. I'd fork over a few toes, personally. I need my fingers. You, you need your head examined. From the inside. With a blender. Play DD's all the time. You would want your toes back after playing it a few times. Maybe worth a toe nail. Guns and detection same as the Fletcher. Speed slower and it turns slower then Fletcher. Torps considerable slower. Not asking it to be OP just equal in its own way. To illustrate my point if a Target is 7.5 km or 10km away, I usually in my Fletcher can get 2-3 torps into a BB. With the Black, you may land 1 torp. You basically have Tier 4 or 5 level torps on a Tier 9 ship. Granted it is a free ship, but why would I play Black over the Fletcher? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20 [F-U] templar627 Members 205 posts 3,248 battles Report post #25 Posted April 17, 2017 That radar is what makes the black so scary. Not only that, with radar you can't ever get caught out since the moment you get spotted, you can just pop radar and find what's spotting you. The option over radar also gives you an obscene amount of cap control since no dd can really push you. Granted you do get focused more, but that's because it's such a scary ship. There aren't many dds that want to fight a black given it's radar+smoke combination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
