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Hi All.

 

May be in wrong place, if so, woops.

 

looking to join a clan, so that when we do get full clan functionality i will be apart of something already solid.

 

play mostly on tuesdays, wednesdays and weekends. my time zone is GMT +2.

 

looking for a group of solid players to team up with.

 

:honoring:


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Clans are a mistake.


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Clans are a mistake.

 

I don't think that was the opinion he was asking for.

 

Vossie, there is a section under Team Play labelled "Looking For Clan"..  Try posting there.

You can also read up on various clans, in the "Clan Recruitment" section.


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I don't think that was the opinion he was asking for.

 

Vossie, there is a section under Team Play labelled "Looking For Clan"..  Try posting there.

You can also read up on various clans, in the "Clan Recruitment" section.

 

thanks, had the feeling i ws in wrong place but didnt know where to go. thanks for directions o7

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I don't think that was the opinion he was asking for.

 

Doesn't make it less true!

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Doesn't make it less true!

 

But, it's still just your opinion, just like your signature.   OP was looking for a definitive answer.

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But, it's still just your opinion, just like your signature.   OP was looking for a definitive answer.

 

Do you only give your opinions when they're explicitly asked for? I doubt it.

 

Most things you type are a mistake.

 

Feel free to point out exactly how in the future instead of making statements such as this one.

 

And how are they a mistake?

 

K, here are some of my thoughts and feelings on the matter:

 

They encourage an "us versus them" mentality (people who participate in clan activities vs "pubbies"). This can be observed in the extremely polarized World of Tanks community. You also have "unicums" and "super unicums," the ones who prefer clan activities the most in my experience, treating those they perceive as beneath them like human trash because of the mentality they have developed in their insulated clan environment. Also, the "clan activities" add something of consequence to clans, so many people are kind of beguiled by the existence of the possibility of reward into thinking clans are more generally important entities.

 

Not only that, but then they have the security of proximity - that is to say, people who view the game similarly are nearby (referring to "elite" players) - and numbers, and so naturally the strength and intensity of their opinions increase. And then these opinions are slowly pushed upon the community through any medium they have access to, and such certitude is behind these opinions, because the "unicums" and "super unicums" think them without doubt after having them reinforced in their insulated environment, that everyone else can't help but think there is at least some truth to them. And the "unicums" and "super unicums" normally believe they have the best opinions and if anyone challenges them they say, "my stats are better than yours," and that's that; and also many people are hoodwinked into thinking that the commentary of these "elite" players has more weight than the commentary of almost anyone else. In short, what they say is perceived as concrete reality by many players.

 

In the end, it's a hilarious brand of "fantasy elitism" that stratifies communities in ridiculous ways, and because of the absurd and unnecessary nature of the stratification, it pushes a lot of more thoughtful people away from the community. This, too, can be observed in the World of Tanks community. Of course, the truth is that real world hierarchies should be imposed upon every instance of community in existence, but the internet is far too anarchic to allow for that; and also the natural hierarchies of the real world have been almost entirely transformed into systems of stratification based on the most irrelevant kind of wealth - material wealth - so even then the imposition of real world hierarchies doesn't produce a very desirable result.

 

So, in summary, it corrodes the quality of the community in the long term by creating an insulated environment in which ridiculous opinions are frequently reinforced, and also by adding more definition to the divisions of the community. XVM, WN8, and WTR do something similar. Not only do they create this polarization between "good" and "bad," which means "skilled" and "unskilled," but they also create an unnecessary and ridiculous implicit system of stratification that fragments the community more and more as time passes.

 

And then there is the sense of entitlement that "people who participate in clan activities" and "unicums" and "super unicums"  often have. Many of them, nowhere near all, believe that because they are skilled at this video game they have the right to behave in all sorts of revolting ways. For example, in World of Tanks, it's not exactly uncommon for clan members of certain "elite" clans, such as MAHOU and BULBA, to treat those who they perceive as beneath them like human trash. You see it on the forums and in battle and even sometimes in the garage.

 

Furthermore, in their insulated clan environment, they develop the most ridiculous expectations regarding how exactly the game "should be played," and they force these expectations on normal players. You know, the ones who play for enjoyment and relaxation, or the ones who value the source material, and those expectations, too, are backed with the same certitude I mentioned earlier; so the normal players begin to feel insecure about their approach to the game, and this insecurity is insidious, like most kinds of insecurity, because it very generally undermines self-respect and self-confidence.

 

The "unicum" says such and such about how dumb the "pubbies" are, or perhaps specifically targets a single player and unloads a barrage of preconceived criticisms at him to vent his frustration, and all of this disdain and hatred causes doubt in the normal player's mind. "Am I dumb because I'm not-so-amazing at this video game? I wonder." Whether most people acknowledge this experience is irrelevant. It happens to almost everyone.

 

Not all clans are like this. That goes without saying. I'm talking mainly about the "elite" clans; the ones full of people who consider themselves above the rest.

 

Anyway, in the real world, I believe in hierarchy and the like, but that's because survival is imperative in the real world, and systems of hierarchy and so on ideally (and naturally) elevate the most able (what used to be the aristocracy) to the highest levels of society. It makes sense in the real world, but it's absurd in a community such as this one.

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Religion is a mistake.

 

Religion is a necessity.

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Religion is a necessity.

 

Breathing is a necessity.  Worshipping some magical sky-man is not.

 

What you are basically doing here is the same thing as when an atheist comes into a discussion about Christianity, and starts spouting off how religion is the root of all evil.  Or when a vegan comes into a discussion of how best to prepare a steak, and starts yelling at everyone how "meat is murder".

 

You don't like clans, that's fine.  Just don't come into a "looking for clan" thread trying to shove your hatred down everyone's throats.  It makes you look like a jack@ss of biblical proportions.


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biblical proportions.

 

I may have to doublecheck, but I think that The Lord of the Rings is in fact comprised of more pages than the New Testament. Therefore you must use the expression "Tolkienic proportions.":trollface::hiding::D

 

--IronDuke


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Breathing is a necessity.  Worshipping some magical sky-man is not.

 

What you are basically doing here is the same thing as when an atheist comes into a discussion about Christianity, and starts spouting off how religion is the root of all evil.  Or when a vegan comes into a discussion of how best to prepare a steak, and starts yelling at everyone how "meat is murder".

 

You don't like clans, that's fine.  Just don't come into a "looking for clan" thread trying to shove your hatred down everyone's throats.  It makes you look like a jack@ss of biblical proportions.

 

You can redefine "necessity" a hundred different times if you want. It doesn't change the meaning of what I said. People need God for all sorts of different reasons. Who are you to decide if they "need" him or not? And who are you to decide what they should or should not believe? "Magical sky-man" is a pretty terrible insult, and it was certainly as "unwanted" as what I said earlier in the thread.

 

I didn't "shove" anything down anyone's throat, and I wasn't even expressing hatred. I was expressing some sad truths about what happened to the World of Tanks community as a result of clans. You can continue to intentionally misconstrue my post, but it won't change anything.

 

I was asked a question and I answered it. That, and, yes, I shared my opinion about clans before that too. I'm sure you've never given an unwanted opinion in your life. :^)

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I was asked a question and I answered it. That, and, yes, I shared my opinion about clans before that too. I'm sure you've never given an unwanted opinion in your life. :^)

 

No, you were not asked a question.  A forum member expressed interest in joining a clan, he did not ask what people thought about clans in general.  You came in with no intention of answering the OP's actual question.

 

As for the rest of your post, it's quite clear my point sailed so far over your head it nearly entered orbit.


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No, you were not asked a question.  A forum member expressed interest in joining a clan, he did not ask what people thought about clans in general.  You came in with no intention of answering the OP's actual question.

 

As for the rest of your post, it's quite clear my point sailed so far over your head it nearly entered orbit.

 

I was asked a question by someone else in the thread. If you had actually read the thread you would know this.

 

Your point didn't "sail over my head." I didn't think it was worth acknowledgement.


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This thread went places....

 

next time im gonna keep my questions to myself :hiding:

 

peace out :honoring:


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I like clans. They're great for when you want to division up with someone. You can also really enjoy yourself in the right clans. 


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I was asked a question by someone else in the thread. If you had actually read the thread you would know this.

 

Your point didn't "sail over my head." I didn't think it was worth acknowledgement.

 

Um... No.

 

Clans are a mistake.

 

^This was the very first reply in this thread.  It did nothing to address the OP's actual question, it was not constructive, and it was not helpful.


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I like clans. They're great for when you want to division up with someone. You can also really enjoy yourself in the right clans. 

 

Yes, in the "right clans." I agree with you on this.

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