6.4 Mogami luv

[Urandas]

Mogami's 155mm guns got a traverse speed buff. They've been lowered from (slower than a battleship) to 36 seconds. This is a great change to mogami and I love that WG is finally buffing that aspect of her sense they took the improved expert marksmen away from her. Good job War Gaming.

 

Now - about a T7 IJN premium DD, I think you're pretty solid to go by a historically little under aged boat named shigure. She served a lot in ww2 and was the only surviving ship from Japan that fought in the Battle of Surigao Strait. Coincidentally Mogami was also there, but she kinda sunk.

[Ace_04]

This, plus all the recent American cruiser buffs lead me to believe they are trying to make cruisers relevant again to boost the population numbers.

 

Could just be me, but it seems like in the last month or so, cruisers numbers really dropped off again after a temporary resurgence when the British were released.

[Vaporisor]

This, plus all the recent American cruiser buffs lead me to believe they are trying to make cruisers relevant again to boost the population numbers.

 

Could just be me, but it seems like in the last month or so, cruisers numbers really dropped off again after a temporary resurgence when the British were released.

 

well, they are fun.  Speed and reasonable maneuverability.  Good for the active playstyle who doesnt want exploitive forms of combat.  The supoort play with proper selection of consumables plus more ships that favor speed and maneuverability will help.

[Urandas]

This, plus all the recent American cruiser buffs lead me to believe they are trying to make cruisers relevant again to boost the population numbers.

 

Could just be me, but it seems like in the last month or so, cruisers numbers really dropped off again after a temporary resurgence when the British were released.

 

I feel like the only way we're actually going to cruisers come back into a real relevance and importance any time soon is to see a general nerf of AA at higher tiers to encourage more Cruisers to go with defensive fire instead of hydro, and let CV have an easier time against BB.

[TenguBlade]

This, plus all the recent American cruiser buffs lead me to believe they are trying to make cruisers relevant again to boost the population numbers.

 

Could just be me, but it seems like in the last month or so, cruisers numbers really dropped off again after a temporary resurgence when the British were released.

What would you expect?  Idiots who can't abide by their mistakes actually having tangible consequences want nothing to do with cruisers, they'd rather play battleships or carriers instead.  All these buffs to is make it easier for people with a brain to use cruisers - the bottom line is the playerbase is scared of anything and everything, and as long as that doesn't change, we're going to be seeing a battleship-heavy meta.

[Francois424]

I watched Noster's vid on that...

With IFHE why would you need AP ?

 

 

Hey WG?  Can I fit 10x3 turrets of Mogami's guns on my Yamato that I'll then use with IFHE ?

Not really joking either...  That would be insanely better than AP and have lots of fire chance to boot, with a good RoF !

 

Glad for you guys that loved her.  I think I'm going to have to play more of the IJN line now

[Panzer1113]

Sold it to buy Ibuki, may buy it back now for 155 fun

[sbcptnitro]

I might actually get the Mogami now. I've had it researched forever, but never wanted to play it.

[DoomStomper]

Just FYI, there's already a lengthy thread about this from yesterday.

 

Anyway, if the change goes through, it'll be the most welcome improvement I've seen in a long time.  Been sitting on Mogami for over a year, waiting for exactly this.

[tcbaker777]

With IFHE why would you need AP ?

 

  

that actually makes sense for IJN cruisers, they are known for their fire starting

[renegadestatuz]

 

   that actually makes sense for IJN cruisers, they are known for their fire starting

Ask River how much she loves fire starting in her Zao

[crzyhawk]

 

I feel like the only way we're actually going to cruisers come back into a real relevance and importance any time soon is to see a general nerf of AA at higher tiers to encourage more Cruisers to go with defensive fire instead of hydro, and let CV have an easier time against BB.

 

Cruisers are not going to come back to be AA bots for battleship drivers.  More people will play cruisers when they are no punished as hard for existing.

[TenguBlade]

that actually makes sense for IJN cruisers, they are known for their fire starting

And it's precisely why giving the Japanese HE national flavor is nonsensical.  Their AP is more than serviceable, and there's the exact opposite of a historical precedent to give them superior HE.  On the other hand French AP is generally mediocre and their HE DPM sucks in spite of having upwards of 50% more bursting charge size compared to the Japanese.

[DoomStomper]

And it's precisely why giving the Japanese HE national flavor is nonsensical.  Their AP is more than serviceable, and there's the exact opposite of a historical precedent to give them superior HE.  On the other hand French AP is generally mediocre and their HE DPM sucks in spite of having upwards of 50% more bursting charge size compared to the Japanese.

 

WG has never shown much consistency with scaling damage to bursting charge size.  However, the rationale behind those Japanese Pyromancers and their Wildfire shells has at least some historical justification with the comparative potency of the TNA filler they used.

 

[quote name= 

Bursting Charge Power - The following approximations of explosive power may be used using TNT = 1.00 as a reference point.

• Before and during World War I
  • Black powder = 0.33 to 0.50
  • Guncotton = 0.50
  • Picric Acid = about 1.05 to 1.10
  • USA Explosive D = 0.95
• After World War I
  • German and Italian TNT = 1.00
  • British Shellite = 0.96
  • Japanese TNA = 1.05
  • USA Explosive D = 0.95

[VTAdmiral]

 

WG has never shown much consistency with scaling damage to bursting charge size.  However, the rationale behind those Japanese Pyromancers and their Wildfire shells has at least some historical justification with the comparative potency of the TNA filler they used.

 

 

The justificaiton for Japanese HE having higher fire chance is actually 100% unrelated to Japanese HE shells

 

It's inspired by the Type 3 shells which were filled with magnesium rods that would ignite when the shell burst.

 

These were occasionally fired at ships but were typically used for anti-air, and were available in all calibers. Apparently even Akizuki had 10cm versions of these as the only shells made for the 10cm guns equipped on this ship. USN fans may better know them as "Incendiary Fragmentation High Explosive".

[DoomStomper]

The justificaiton for Japanese HE having higher fire chance is actually 100% unrelated to Japanese HE shells

 

It's inspired by the Type 3 shells which were filled with magnesium rods that would ignite when the shell burst.

 

These were occasionally fired at ships but were typically used for anti-air, and were available in all calibers. Apparently even Akizuki had 10cm versions of these as the only shells made for the 10cm guns equipped on this ship. USN fans may better know them as "Incendiary Fragmentation High Explosive".

 

Still think Type 3 shells should be some sort of consumable.  Regardless of how ineffective they were at making large caliber guns viable for AA roles, they'd make for a hell of a fireworks show. 

[VTAdmiral]

Still think Type 3 shells should be some sort of consumable.  Regardless of how ineffective they were at making large caliber guns viable for AA roles, they'd make for a hell of a fireworks show. 

 

I've proposed them as a consumable unique to IJN cruisers for AA power, and apparently that's unacceptable to the bulk of the forum community.

[Urandas]

 

The justificaiton for Japanese HE having higher fire chance is actually 100% unrelated to Japanese HE shells

 

It's inspired by the Type 3 shells which were filled with magnesium rods that would ignite when the shell burst.

 

These were occasionally fired at ships but were typically used for anti-air, and were available in all calibers. Apparently even Akizuki had 10cm versions of these as the only shells made for the 10cm guns equipped on this ship. USN fans may better know them as "Incendiary Fragmentation High Explosive".

 

iirc the type 3 was developed for that purpose alone, which is why akizuki would carry mostly - if not only that ammo type.

[Urandas]

 

I've proposed them as a consumable unique to IJN cruisers for AA power, and apparently that's unacceptable to the bulk of the forum community.

 

Like a burst duration where main guns turn into duel purpose? I'd be down for that.

[VTAdmiral]

 

Like a burst duration where main guns turn into duel purpose? I'd be down for that.

 

Actually it was a "target a location" consumable. Burst damage in a particular area about equivalent to a fighter strafe in size, cone-shaped.

 

It would become more powerful the more main battery turrets were reloaded and ready to fire, and would put all main battery turrets on reload/cooldown after use.

 

This would actually replace Defensive AA for IJN cruisers. Their flavor would become "Burst" AA versus the USN "Sustained AA" flavor.

 

I'd also remove Defensive AA entirely from Russian and German cruisers to make it the USN flavor consumable.

[Urandas]

 

Actually it was a "target a location" consumable. Burst damage in a particular area about equivalent to a fighter strafe in size, cone-shaped.

 

It would become more powerful the more main battery turrets were reloaded and ready to fire, and would put all main battery turrets on reload/cooldown after use.

 

This would actually replace Defensive AA for IJN cruisers. Their flavor would become "Burst" AA versus the USN "Sustained AA" flavor.

 

I'd also remove Defensive AA entirely from Russian and German cruisers to make it the USN flavor consumable.

 

I'm not against an active AA play style, I'd be in favor if WG can get the tech for it down.

 

:second page snipe:

[SullyQuindarius]

Now give USN CA/CL line split!

[tcbaker777]

Now give USN CA/CL line split!

 

personally if and when this happens im hoping for either the Brooklyn class CLs  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn-class_cruiser

 

or the Worcester class CLs    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester-class_cruiser

[DoomStomper]

personally if and when this happens im hoping for either the Brooklyn class CLs  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn-class_cruiser

 

or the Worcester class CLs    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester-class_cruiser

 

Gimme this proto-Brooklyn:

[tcbaker777]

 

Gimme this proto-Brooklyn:

 

i'd captain that 10/10