How to deal with ships that hide behind mountains and spam HE?

[CaptainEdwardTeague]

Its really annoying when your playing in a BB especially and you have enemy ships that hid behind mountains and start shooting HE with those high arching shots...

if its only 1, then its ok.. i can deal with it.. but when theres 3 ships spamming HE and burns you to death, that just pissing me off.. i can see them to fire.. and i blind fire, just hits the mountain side, etc...

 

Early game, no problem.. lots of ships for them to spam HE, but when it gets down to a fews, and they start targeting me, I cant really escape and I need to cap points, etc...

 

how do you guys deal with this.. there must be something that WG can do to prevent this..

[Slntreaper]

Don't begin to lose and be the only target left.  Either die beforehand or win.

[The_first_harbinger]

Short answer, keep moving and stay away.

Long answer, try to drop off concealment, sail to long range, lob shell over and blow the bastard out of the water.

[CaptainEdwardTeague]

Don't begin to lose and be the only target left.  Either die beforehand or win.

 

LOL I cant control my team from dieing.. lol

[CaptainEdwardTeague]

Short answer, keep moving and stay away.

Long answer, try to drop off concealment, sail to long range, lob shell over and blow the bastard out of the water.

 

Sail away? So dont even go for cap points? lol

 

BBs shells cant be lob over mountains... if you cant see them, you cant hit them

[StrykerNC]

 

Sail away? So dont even go for cap points? lol

 

BBs shells cant be lob over mountains... if you cant see them, you cant hit them

 

Yes they can, I do it often, especially in USN BBs like NC and Iowa.  

 

Use the shot-cam to watch the shells... Line up where you think they are, fire, press Z.  Watch the shells all the way to target.  Adjust aim, repeat.

 

FYI, This takes away a large amount of your Situational awareness to do.. but you can hit over islands this way.

[CaptainEdwardTeague]

 

Yes they can, I do it often, especially in USN BBs like NC and Iowa.  

 

Use the shot-cam to watch the shells... Line up where you think they are, fire, press Z.  Watch the shells all the way to target.  Adjust aim, repeat.

 

FYI, This takes away a large amount of your Situational awareness to do.. but you can hit over islands this way.

 

upload the replays so i can see how you do it.. because I cant seem to manage...

[templar627]

Equip a spotter plane and try to shoot over those mountains to hit those cruisers. If that doesn't work, get closer. Keep in mind that there are two things to do when someone is he spamming over a mountain, either get closer or run away. Or the third option is to move to put an island between you and the he spamming cruiser, but that's obviously pretty situational.

[Cruiser_Chicago]

Hiding behind islands and lobbing shells over it is a valid tactic for some cruisers. You can't honestly expect WG to change or remove this; thus punishing clever play and indirectly buffing BBs EVEN further?

 

The ways you deal with this tactic is to either sail away and out of their range, or get closer to the island they're hiding behind so they can't fire over the island anymore. The closer you are to the island, the lower their shell arcs will be. However, extremely savvy players can use low islands as one way vision blockers to essentially "stealth-fire." There's not much you can do against this by yourself other than blind firing at them or hoping that someone spots them.

 

You can also attempt to shoot the ship behind the island if they're spotted. If the ship in question is not hugging the island close enough, BB shells can still arc over and devastate them. There are several other ways to deal with this strategy...  Spamming the M key to get a quick "peek" over the island to get a better estimate for you gun elevation, or using the CONSPICUOUS ISLAND indicator next to your crosshair to determine if your shells are capable of arcing over the island. If you see the island indicator, some or all of your shells will strike the island. Finally, a scout plane can be used to get a birds eye view perspective to give you the perfect angle for hitting the ship.

[Sampsonite]

   Now remember, Some ships, especially Atlanta, would be completely useless without this tactic.  Get away,Stay away, is all I can say, lol....

[TTK_Aegis]

Ships capable of lobbing over islands have a sweet spot range in which to do so. If you're in that range, you can retreat or charge. 

 

If you charge, be aware they might just round the island and torp you.

 

If you retreat, there's a good chance they'll come out of hiding to chase you, and that's when you can hit back. 

 

The other, best option is to get your own island cover if there's any nearby and wait for them to get bored and pick another target. 

[Jinxed_Katajainen]

   Now remember, Some ships, especially Atlanta, would be completely useless without this tactic.  Get away,Stay away, is all I can say, lol....

 

I'd argue it would depend on how close you are to the landmass and what you are facing.

If it's a short ranged ship, getting out of their gun range would be the best bet.

Sometimes getting closer so their arc would flatten out and hit the island is a viable tactic too.  It would make them stop firing and/or move out from behind the cover the same.

[Estimated_Prophet]

Don't begin to lose and be the only target left.  Either die beforehand or win.

 

LOL I cant control my team from dieing.. lol

 

lol to both, so true of both.

 

Yes they can, I do it often, especially in USN BBs like NC and Iowa.  

 

Use the shot-cam to watch the shells... Line up where you think they are, fire, press Z.  Watch the shells all the way to target.  Adjust aim, repeat.

 

FYI, This takes away a large amount of your Situational awareness to do.. but you can hit over islands this way.

 

Hate the bloody shot cam, it's a PITA that I accidentally hit sometimes, and get hacked off to get rid of...

 

Then you just said what you did, and I'm all like; 'Oh... It can be useful after all...' Thanks.

[aethervox]

I deal with ships who hide behind mountains and spam HE shells by ....

..... moving to get a visual sighting on these 'hiders' and giving them my HE & AP shells (or torpedoes).

This is a very simple and effective solution. I'm not sure why this isn't readily apparent to you, OP?

[Paulbearer82]

 

Sail away? So dont even go for cap points? lol

 

BBs shells cant be lob over mountains... if you cant see them, you cant hit them

 

He's right, sail away, at an angle toward other teammates.  Put a mountain between you and whoever is shooting you, if possible.  I'm one of those guys trying to burn you, and nothing is more frustrating than a BB burnt to half health who runs away, then shows up a few minutes later with most of that damage repaired.  Repair party consumable is your friend, use him.

[twitch133]

If they are spotted, and you have the ballistics to do so, you can try to return fire. Shooting at a target you cannot see behind a land mass is tricky, but it can be effective.

 

If you don't have a shot, your best bet is to fall off detection if you can, and either find another spot on the map that you are needed, or to flank him. He is likely stationary, and you can do a significant amount of damage to him before he starts moving, maybe even delete him.

[CaptainEdwardTeague]

I tried to sail in close and get around to get them but we just end up doing ring-around-the-rosie...  and when there are 2/3 of them doing this, HPs drain real fast.. BB doesnt turn fast nor can they stop and reverse fast enough.. by the time you do get away... almost half your HP pool is drained from fires... I mostly play BBs and when I stay in the back out of CA range, people complain that BBs should stay in the back.. There lies the problem.. I have no issues going in Toe-Toe.. but if im gona die from HE Spammers, I get ticked off...

[PicknChew]

I can think of few things:

 

radar, get a spot on him and shoot him.

CV spot

DD spot or DD torps

force him to relocate by not giving him targets

 

 

usually ships that can do that have pretty poor armor. So with a bit of coordination, it doesn't need to be spotted for very long

[desmo_2]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

 

Lemme get this straight...OP is mad because people are using these ridiculous cheats (a.k.a. tactics) to gain whatever advantages they can in battle...and wants WG to fix a perceived problem.

 

Sigh.

 

Yes, OP, we will spawn all ships in an open ocean, within 10 km of each other.  Straight up gun duel.  No hiding...no torpedoes...no thinking...no advantages or differences for any class of ship.  Last survivor wins.  This sounds like a HOOT! 

[icepac_hero]

My answer is : you shouldn't be in that situation in the first place...

This is a team game first and foremost.  If you are in a situation where 2+ boats combine to do you in you will die in 90% cases unless enemy is awfully stooopid...

 

If they have 3 boats you should have 2 allies to deal with them.

 

Also, if your team allows 3 Cruisers to station behind either 3 different islands or the same island than you and your team did something terribly wrong.

 

I guess I am also asking you for context...

You said that all your teammate died before you.  How?  What was the overall strategy from your side and theirs ?

 

There is a (valid) strategy on Domination maps where all enemy boats go hide behind 1 big mountain on 1 zone and wait for you to go 1 by 1 to try to engage them behind said mountain and they FF all of you to death.

When I see that I urge my team to just take the other 2 zones and wait them out at 'B' ...

Otherwise what fatally happens is we all die...

 

 

[Whistler1]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

 

Lemme get this straight...OP is mad because people are using these ridiculous cheats (a.k.a. tactics) to gain whatever advantages they can in battle...and wants WG to fix a perceived problem.

 

Sigh.

 

Yes, OP, we will spawn all ships in an open ocean, within 10 km of each other.  Straight up gun duel.  No hiding...no torpedoes...no thinking...no advantages or differences for any class of ship.  Last survivor wins.  This sounds like a HOOT! 

He did not characterize it at all like that.  he didnt call cheater!  he asked about counter-strategy.  

[monarch09]

From a previous BB, now CA player, hearing a complaint from a BB player about over the top lobbing shells is really off the top funny. Would you prefer the CA (who is probably doing this) come face you head on? You have 2 to 4 times the HP of the CA in most tiers, your shells much more massive, longer range....etc. Move or get hit. The choice is yours.

 

From a CA player who is constantly frustrated over it seems the new BB  mindset --- (don't / literally won't push, prefer to snipe literally from the maps edge .. ie... hang back and lob shells from the next state, sees a BB mindset that seems to literally expect the DD's/CA's to go sacrifice themselves in a push effort while they hang back to see what is left) my sympathy for you dealing with over the island shelling challenge is not there.  

 

You are a BB, you are the biggest kid on the block. Use the HitPoints, lead the team! Go right down their throat! Chances are, the other teams BBs haven't even moved, and if they have, it's probably toward the edges of the map. IF you LEAD.... you will have (once they get over the shock of seeing a BB lead) the CA / DD support with you to take out those little "flamethrowers"... or you can stay back, hide and get burned alive. 

 

It's all in the choices here on WOW......

[ArcDeath]

That is what Atlanta and Cleveland do. Get over it and move around a lot.