Simple and easy solution to seal clubbing

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

Wargaming has been trying complicated methods to deal with Seal Clubbing when there is an easy way to solve problem, just put the new players matched against each other for first say 1,000 battles so they get experience playing the game and match everyone with over 1,000 battles together so the Unicum players can't touch the new players trying the game and the veteran players will not have to deal with new players dragging down their own battles. Seems like good idea all around.

[m373x]

But then if I want to try my newly purchased Tachibana my queue time will be 40 minutes and so on and so on. This will create even more problems. A working solution will be a skill based matchmaking but server population is stagnant and I am not so sure WG is even thinking about such MM.

[BaronVonTom]

But then if I want to try my newly purchased Tachibana my queue time will be 40 minutes and so on and so on. This will create even more problems.

 

I agree...wait times could be horrible.

[m373x]

 

I agree...wait times could be horrible.

 

Starting a brand new line of ships? Kindly wait 7 hours for T1 game, thank you.

[Magyar5]

It would break the matchmaker times, I don't feel like waiting 15 minutes for a match when I feel like playing my Texas or when the British BBs come out.

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

I have been doing grinds with stick ships with several obviously skilled players in both teams and did ok, and did ok back when first started with the other new players, heard there was a system to match new players together for few battles already in place, I am just suggesting basically it get extended for much longer to help both the veteran players and the new players. If new players are granted extra time before facing veterans they will be better able to learn and get some Captains prepared so they will be less of a burden on veteran players by the time they clear first thousand battles. 

[Bril01]

Any time you break the queue up into smaller and smaller groups you just end up increasing the wait time for everyone involved.  Seal clubbing is going to happen, thankfully the tiers it typically occurs are low enough that you can tier up past them quickly enough.

[Scout1]

lol... as if separating accounts by # of battles solved anything. I hope you realize the player##### are almost all seal clubbers taking benefit of the MM they receive.

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

 

Starting a brand new line of ships? Kindly wait 7 hours for T1 game, thank you.

Wargaming could just insert Bot players to fill the holes on teams if need be, with current player base intelligence level lately trust me you would not notice a difference or perhaps a bit of improvement in petfirnsnce from the Bot players as opposed to a human lol.

[Gomez_Adams]

Wargaming has been trying complicated methods to deal with Seal Clubbing when there is an easy way to solve problem, just put the new players matched against each other for first say 1,000 battles so they get experience playing the game and match everyone with over 1,000 battles together so the Unicum players can't touch the new players trying the game and the veteran players will not have to deal with new players dragging down their own battles. Seems like good idea all around.

 

It's actually much easier than that:

 

Limit captain skills to one per tier. You get one skill for each tier and no more than that. That would do more to level the playing field than anything else.

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

Don't they do this already for the first 150 matches?

[Gomez_Adams]

Don't they do this already for the first 150 matches?

 

150 matches can't prepare you for the disparity of facing 15+ point captains in power platoons.

[m373x]

Wargaming could just insert Bot players to fill the holes on teams if need be

 

no

 

with current player base intelligence level lately trust me you would not notice a difference or perhaps a bit of improvement in petfirnsnce from the Bot players as opposed to a human

 

no, bots are the worse

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

 

150 matches can't prepare you for the disparity of facing 15+ point captains in power platoons.

 

lol more like 19 point Captains which I agree are needed in game, just not when a player only has a 1 point Captain and have only few battles under their belt have neither the experience playing the game nor the raw power to have any way to counter the clubbers. I was better prepared than most having played Blitz and knew that you have to endure seal clubbers as you level up and had read game guides and watched vids in WOWs so then I watched for suspect ships and blew them out of the water as priority targets to neutralize the threat or relied on AA to down seal clubber planes.

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

 

no

 

 

no, bots are the worse

 

A bot will at least attempt to fight which is more than some players will do unfortunately. And if Wargaming got smarter bots they would be superior to most players, I can think of a few other types of games where the computer controlled forces would be horrifically superior in intelligence level to much of the playerbase currently

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

But then if I want to try my newly purchased Tachibana my queue time will be 40 minutes and so on and so on. This will create even more problems. A working solution will be a skill based matchmaking but server population is stagnant and I am not so sure WG is even thinking about such MM.

 

Ranked is skill based matchmaking, right?

[Gomez_Adams]

 

Ranked is skilled based matchmaking, right?

 

Nope. It's the same crap as randoms, only with roughly half the players...which of course makes a bad team even worse and the landslides more common...which is why nobody likes ranked.

[m373x]

 

Ranked is skilled based matchmaking, right?

 

No, but at ranks 5 to 1 it feels like a pseudo 'skill based MM'. Currently the best mode we have.

[Sethanas]

 

I agree...wait times could be horrible.

 

 

Starting a brand new line of ships? Kindly wait 7 hours for T1 game, thank you.

 

It would break the matchmaker times, I don't feel like waiting 15 minutes for a match when I feel like playing my Texas or when the British BBs come out.

 

^^^ All of that

 

Besides, if you shelter the scrubs how will they learn? Nah, real life isn't fair, dont start telling your newbies that the game is gunna be fair, it'll spoil them.

 

[pmgaudio]

 

It's actually much easier than that:

 

Limit captain skills to one per tier. You get one skill for each tier and no more than that. That would do more to level the playing field than anything else.

 

[pmgaudio]

 

A bot will at least attempt to fight which is more than some players will do unfortunately. And if Wargaming got smarter bots they would be superior to most players, I can think of a few other types of games where the computer controlled forces would be horrifically superior in intelligence level to much of the playerbase currently

 

you want to play bots go play CO OP  bots are not for random battles... Get better and move up the tiers and get away from the clubbers...

No one wants to get in a que for half a day to grind out a new ship line...

MY GOD have you never anything actually constructive to suggest after it gets shot down by everyone?>??

[pmgaudio]

 

 

 

^^^ All of that

 

Besides, if you shelter the scrubs how will they learn? Nah, real life isn't fair, dont start telling your newbies that the game is gunna be fair, it'll spoil them.

 

 

[Lord_Zath]

What about re-rolls or experienced players who change servers?  Their first 1,000 battles are golden.

 

How does the server differentiate someone who works up one line vs. someone who works up multiple lines at once?  You can probably get to a tier 10 ship by 1,000 battles if you only played that line.  Should there be protected MM for those players?  

 

MM has already been tweaked so that tier 4 players don't get clubbed so hard - both in terms of tiering, and most recently in terms of CV losing manual drops...

[Gomez_Adams]

What about re-rolls or experienced players who change servers?

 

Again, with limited captain skills, at least the ships are equal.

 

There's a big difference in ship performance from a one skill captain to a 15 skill captain. It's night and day, and just completely unfair in the worst possible way. If you want to reroll and go back and play stock ships with stock captains, be my guest. You'll be subject to the same thing everybody else is, which makes it a level playing field.

 

Anybody that loses out to superior skill can't really blame anybody for that. But going into battle against a ship that shoots farther, is harder to spot, loads faster, repairs faster, sees farther and everything else than you do simply because they've been around longer is just stupid.

 

That's why they don't retain players anymore here or in World of Tanks: the deck is just so blatantly stacked against them it's not worth playing.

[Slimeball91]

 

 

 

^^^ All of that

 

Besides, if you shelter the scrubs how will they learn? Nah, real life isn't fair, dont start telling your newbies that the game is gunna be fair, it'll spoil them.

 

 

 

 

It's not hard to spot the seal clubbers.  Seriously, if think new players learn anything from being Hulk smashed by experienced players with high skilled captains you clearly haven't given the topic any real thought.  Don't get me wrong, I think queue times wouldn't allow the OP idea to work, still, the idea the newbies should be thrown to the wolves is stupid and bad for player retention.