Show the Tirp some love

[Captain_Chaos_NA]

For a BB that once the most powerful tier BB, power creep has it not the dead last tier 8 BB.

 

Come on WG give it Radar or at least the secondary range of the Bismark.

[Carl]

Nah the tirp is fine, the issue is that the Bismark is just OP.

[Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper]

 

 

[Pope_Shizzle]

I demand that my North Carolina be given Yamato guns, Kurfurst secondaries, Montana AA and DD citadels.  Because reasons.

[Captain_Chaos_NA]

No it's not really, it's worse then the NC.   Which historically nor game wise should be true.

 

Plus considering that every new premium in warship is better than average with most new premium being best in clan that is just crazy.

[Captain_Chaos_NA]

I demand that my North Carolina be given Yamato guns, Kurfurst secondaries, Montana AA and DD citadels.  Because reasons.

 

I would invite you to my clan just for that crazy stats.

[dannyboy1939]

I got mine free so what ever comes I really can't complain....lol

[TheGreatBlasto]

I have both the Biz and Tirp and the performance gap is huge.  Someone recently posted stats showing the Tirp to be the worst performing T8 BB. It really is a shame.

[Carl]

The tirp is no trivial ship to play. But she's the only current BB in the game that can face a yamato in which i would confidently go after the yamato in assuming we're missing similar %'s of our respective max healths. And she's a brutal brawler. The problem is Bismark just does it better because the secondaries are far more generally applicable than the torps. Your not going to murder a Yamato with them, but they work better in a lot of other situations.

[Cruxdei]

remove the torps and add a radar perhaps.

you can't have a belfast 2.0

[_James_T_Kirk]

It's ridiculous that its secondaries and AA are so weak. The torpedo range should be extended to 8km, makes no sense for it to be so short

[Stampz]

It's because the Tirpitz is mostly captained by idiots.  Hence where the term Derpitz comes from.

The tirpitz is still a strong premium.  The BB line most affected by power creep are USN BBs.

[atPrick__]

Amagi was always as good or better, depending on how she was played. North Carolina is now as good or better and that was not always the case, Bismarck is decidedly better. Alablama is...No clue, likely better as WG doesn't make it a habit of releasing a Prem that isn't as good or better than other boats at their tier.

 

What we have here is power creep. Everything around Tirp has been adjusted and Tirp remains the same.

 

She is still a blast to play and imo one of the best ship models in game. In a year she will be a dinosaur I'm sure...

[Carl]

8km wouldn't be any more useful than 6

 

Good tirp driver only launch beyond about 4 if they're not really trying for torp hit so much as forcing maneuvers or being speculative around the side of an island while driving by. But her entire issue is that she can't fight a bis and win unless the bis is stupid, (and she'll still get chewed up then), which makes it hard for her to use her strengths in most T8 matches.

[atPrick__]

Also...

 

She was a game adjustment away from being awesome. If that bow nerf would have happened Tirp would have kept her armor and been a monster....

[Carl]

p.s first German DD, Best german DD. Just saying .

[Captain_Chaos_NA]

It's because the Tirpitz is mostly captained by idiots.  Hence where the term Derpitz comes from.

The tirpitz is still a strong premium.  The BB line most affected by power creep are USN BBs.

 

Not True at all.  I not even epic with either way too aggressive of BB player, it's not even close and those tirp number are dropping fast.  Let be serious here there are a number of ships not just premiums that need some balance corrections.

 

That post didn't work so well the avg damage is 60k and falling fast vs 74k and stable.

 

Tirpitz

	8	BB	Germany	423	55.32%	60,772	1,708	1.5	0.9	2.3	35%	28%	14%	1,183
Bismarck   8 BB Germany 187 56.68% 74,989 1,740 1.8 1.2 2.0 32% 29% 0% 1,216

[Taichunger]

	Derpitz	Bizsmart	Amagi	N Caro
1	114,654	111,593	118,472	109,029
2	111,787	110,574	114,869	106,894
3	111,022	109,165	111,459	106,411
4	109,484	109,164	108,787	102,714
5	105,278	105,689	108,373	102,034
6	105,174	105,025	108,294	101,425
7	103,598	104,687	108,058	100,975
8	102,879	104,652	106,690	97,785
9	102,547	104,362	105,195	97,778
10	100,980	104,059	104,352	96,327

 

Stats from Warship.Today, min 100 games, top ten average damage. Turns out you can get the most out of the Amagi, followed by the Bismarck, the Tirpitz, and the North Carolina. Since the N Caro was significantly buffed months ago, it is hard to say what those numbers represent, but it seems the N Caro is the one that needs the buff.

 

The Derpitz' numbers are pulled down by the flood of noobs who buy it and take it into T8 matches, like me two years ago. I love the ship but I switched to Bismarck because of its steady damage production -- note how both Amagi and Bismarck have more 100K average damage players than Tirp or the pathetic N Carolina. On the whole Tirp doesn't need a buff, though better secondaries would be great.

 

If I were to buff N Caro, I'd give her better secondaries. Much better.

[KnightFandragon]

Tirpitz seems really easy to damage.  Its hard  to bounce off.

[Captain_Chaos_NA]

	Derpitz	Bizsmart	Amagi	N Caro
1	114,654	111,593	118,472	109,029
2	111,787	110,574	114,869	106,894
3	111,022	109,165	111,459	106,411
4	109,484	109,164	108,787	102,714
5	105,278	105,689	108,373	102,034
6	105,174	105,025	108,294	101,425
7	103,598	104,687	108,058	100,975
8	102,879	104,652	106,690	97,785
9	102,547	104,362	105,195	97,778
10	100,980	104,059	104,352	96,327

 

Stats from Warship.Today, min 100 games, top ten average damage. Turns out you can get the most out of the Amagi, followed by the Bismarck, the Tirpitz, and the North Carolina. Since the N Caro was significantly buffed months ago, it is hard to say what those numbers represent, but it seems the N Caro is the one that needs the buff.

 

The Derpitz' numbers are pulled down by the flood of noobs who buy it and take it into T8 matches, like me two years ago. I love the ship but I switched to Bismarck because of its steady damage production -- note how both Amagi and Bismarck have more 100K average damage players than Tirp or the pathetic N Carolina. On the whole Tirp doesn't need a buff, though better secondaries would be great.

 

If I were to buff N Caro, I'd give her better secondaries. Much better.

 

I can't say from more than my own exp, I wont play her any more despite having the epic camo, she is just that bad.  I suspect that those are top numbers not current numbers.  My avg in her use to be over 100k after 50 battles.

 

Lets not kid ourselves this battleship took more historical physical damage than any ship in WW2 even the Yamato in term of ordinance that actually hit it.

[Peregrinas]

I'd be happy if they lowered Tirpitz to match Bismarck and/or they gave Tirpitz secondaries a base range of 5km (which gives a max range of 7.6km, equal to Scharnhorst and Gneisenau). But I see absolutely no reason why Tirpitz secondaries have a max range of 6.8km.

[hoom]

 Stats from Warship.Today, min 100 games, top ten average damage. Turns out you can get the most out of the Amagi, followed by the Bismarck, the Tirpitz, and the North Carolina.

 Pretty much all on par there except maybe NC lagging behind.

I don't feel NC is lacking in hitting power or armor, maybe give it a bit more 2ndary range & RoF?

 

Tirpitz is definitely Totally Balanced.

 

Edit:

 If I were to buff N Caro, I'd give her better secondaries. Much better.

 Skim reading is bad folks...

As above agree better NC 2ndaries is the obvious way to buff it.

 

[Mesrith]

Tirpitz needs zero buffs, but if we're just handing them out, I'll take one.

[Estimated_Prophet]

She is still a blast to play and imo one of the best ship models in game. In a year she will be a dinosaur I'm sure...

 

Except to players who have had her for a while and learned to use her well despite the power creep... Some noob with the latest 'in' ship will laugh at the Derpitz; until that experienced player starts tearing him apart...

[kerensky914]

Every ship has fans that want it to be best at everything, but they can't all be the best.  Ain't nothing wrong with Tirpitz.