Khabarovsk vs Grozovoi advice and artillery rating

[Takhion]

I have both rank IX RN DD's right now.

The climb to rank X is an outrageous amount of XP so I need to decide which one to go for... and focus on that.

 

I like taking the long range rain of fiery death gameplay style (Kiev for example) so I was looking at the two ships trying to decide..

After the initial skirmish's, pull back and just pound everybody.. much fun.

 

But I am unable to decide which of these ships is best for me.

The artillery rating on Grozovoi is lower than that of Khabarovsk.. but Khabarovsk seems to have more guns of an extremely similar type.. so.. what am I to take away from these artillery ratings?

 

Khabarovsk has 33% more guns, and 5% more dmg per HE round fired

negatives is its reload is 20% slower

And 11% slower turn rate but I think I can claim this hardly matters 99% of the time... and for the 1% of the time it does matter, you are probably screwed anyway.

So assuming you get all the guns on target for both ships.. the dps would be better on Khabarovsk.. wouldn't it?

  1.33% more guns * 1.05% dmg * 0.80% slower = 11% more dmg than the Grozovoi

... so why does Khabarovsk have a 6% lower artillery rating?

 

The Grozovoi guns have a slightly longer range (1.8%) and a 5% improved muzzle velocity.

I am not sure how to consider the "goodness" of that muzzle velocity,

 

It would appear to me that the Khabarovsk is going to be a superior gun boat, for getting all 4 turrets on target at a medium to long range. 

Also in Khabarovsk's favor..

  it is way faster!  43km vs 39.5km (8.8%)

  And is vital spots are covered by 50mm armor where Grovokski tops out at 16mm.. (that makes no sense, the heavier armor ship is faster?)

The Khabarovsk seems so much better...  though I did just notice its concealment is really bad... 10km vs 8.8km.. hmm... wow.. the initial skirmish over the cap zone will be unforgiving to the Khabarovsk I guess.  Every other DD on the field will see you coming 2km in advance.

 

But there's that pesky artillery # taunting me.. I don't want to make the wrong choice ... 225k exp is a long time playing the tier 9 .. with the possibility of screwing up my choice.

 

 

Comments/Advice?

 

 

Khabarovsk - artillery rating 33, 4x2 130mm guns, 2 front turrets, 2 rear turrets

  130mm/55 B-2-U <slightly different gun type>

  5s reload

  9s turn time

  99m dispersion

  HE-46 shell -- 1900dmg

  SAP-46 -- 2600dmg

  all other arty stats seem idential

  firing range 11.2km

  initial muzzle velocity - 900m/s

 

Grozovoi - artillery rating 35, 3x2 130mm , 2 front turrets, 1 rear turret

  130mm / 58 SM-2-1

  4.2s reload

  10s 180deg turn time

  97mm dispersion

  HE-42 shell - 1800dmg

  SAP-42 shell -- 2600 dmg

  initial muzzle velocity - 950m/s

 

 

 

 

[Spyde]

Khab is a far better ship at this time.

 

Icon	Name	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles	WR ▼	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH
	Khabarovsk	10	DD	USSR	201,651	54.29%	60,506	1,672	1.7	1.0	0.7	42%	41%	4%
	Z-52	10	DD	Germany	19,123	52.61%	46,570	1,509	1.3	0.9	0.8	32%	45%	7%
	Gearing	10	DD	USA	578,632	49.67%	44,927	1,510	1.2	0.8	0.6	33%	36%	8%
	Shimakaze	10	DD	Japan	703,556	49.14%	46,358	1,397	1.3	0.8	0.2	39%	42%	6%
	Grozovoi	10	DD	USSR	4,164	48.63%	45,001	1,511	1.1	0.8	2.3	31%	46%	6%

[renegadestatuz]

Khab is a far better ship at this time.

 

Icon	Name	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles	WR ▼	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH
	Khabarovsk	10	DD	USSR	201,651	54.29%	60,506	1,672	1.7	1.0	0.7	42%	41%	4%
	Z-52	10	DD	Germany	19,123	52.61%	46,570	1,509	1.3	0.9	0.8	32%	45%	7%
	Gearing	10	DD	USA	578,632	49.67%	44,927	1,510	1.2	0.8	0.6	33%	36%	8%
	Shimakaze	10	DD	Japan	703,556	49.14%	46,358	1,397	1.3	0.8	0.2	39%	42%	6%
	Grozovoi	10	DD	USSR	4,164	48.63%	45,001	1,511	1.1	0.8	2.3	31%	46%	6%

This. Khab is a GOD ship in this game right now. And I don't think you can get another ship as OP as her without having to open your wallet. Just the sight of her makes BBs cry.

[X15]

The Khabarovsk is the best tier 10 purchase I've made. I can't talk about groz because I know almost nothing about it. But Khabarovsk is an extremely good choice.

[madmikey77]

Unless you division with a friend who regularly plays CVs there is no reason to take the Grozovoi over the Khab.

 

The Grozovoi isn't awful. It's just not as good as the Khab or the Gearing at their respective strengths. The Khab is a better support gunboat. The Gearing is a better capper and knife fighter. The Grozovoi is really somewhere in between.

[m373x]

Just fired a 203mm HE salvo at Khabarovsk 5 km away. 5 shells hit, 5 shells shattered. Insane.

[renegadestatuz]

Just fired a 203mm HE salvo at Khabarovsk 5 km away. 5 shells hit, 5 shells shattered. Insane.

She has trollish armor.

[m373x]

She has trollish armor.

 

Broke his engine twice, he rammed an island, incapacitated 3 of his turrets, destroyed and incapacitated both torpedo tubes and landed 52 shells on him until that fukcer finally stopped moving. I was scared for my life, like really scared after I saw my first salvo shattering completely on his broadside. 

[squidage]

even if the grozovoi has better arty rating in port doesnt mean its guns preform better in game. its the dif between on paper and in play. The khab has rail guns for arks that make it hit eaier and more often at long ranges plus the damage output for your guns will out preform the groz. The 1 thing the groz has over the khab is that CVs will run from you if they are smart

[renegadestatuz]

 

Broke his engine twice, he rammed an island, incapacitated 3 of his turrets, destroyed and incapacitated both torpedo tubes and landed 52 shells on him until that fukcer finally stopped moving. I was scared for my life, like really scared after I saw my first salvo shattering completely on his broadside. 

What's even scarier is when you see the Khab start to heal up. I love getting dreadnoughts in my Khab. Got 2 in her this morning

[m373x]

What's even scarier is when you see the Khab start to heal up. I love getting dreadnoughts in my Khab. Got 2 in her this morning

 

I must get one of these!

[SergeantHop]

I have both rank IX RN DD's right now.

The climb to rank X is an outrageous amount of XP so I need to decide which one to go for... and focus on that.

 

I like taking the long range rain of fiery death gameplay style (Kiev for example) so I was looking at the two ships trying to decide..

After the initial skirmish's, pull back and just pound everybody.. much fun.

 

But I am unable to decide which of these ships is best for me.

The artillery rating on Grozovoi is lower than that of Khabarovsk.. but Khabarovsk seems to have more guns of an extremely similar type.. so.. what am I to take away from these artillery ratings?

 

Khabarovsk has 33% more guns, and 5% more dmg per HE round fired

negatives is its reload is 20% slower

And 11% slower turn rate but I think I can claim this hardly matters 99% of the time... and for the 1% of the time it does matter, you are probably screwed anyway.

So assuming you get all the guns on target for both ships.. the dps would be better on Khabarovsk.. wouldn't it?

  1.33% more guns * 1.05% dmg * 0.80% slower = 11% more dmg than the Grozovoi

... so why does Khabarovsk have a 6% lower artillery rating?

 

The Grozovoi guns have a slightly longer range (1.8%) and a 5% improved muzzle velocity.

I am not sure how to consider the "goodness" of that muzzle velocity,

 

It would appear to me that the Khabarovsk is going to be a superior gun boat, for getting all 4 turrets on target at a medium to long range. 

Also in Khabarovsk's favor..

  it is way faster!  43km vs 39.5km (8.8%)

  And is vital spots are covered by 50mm armor where Grovokski tops out at 16mm.. (that makes no sense, the heavier armor ship is faster?)

The Khabarovsk seems so much better...  though I did just notice its concealment is really bad... 10km vs 8.8km.. hmm... wow.. the initial skirmish over the cap zone will be unforgiving to the Khabarovsk I guess.  Every other DD on the field will see you coming 2km in advance.

 

But there's that pesky artillery # taunting me.. I don't want to make the wrong choice ... 225k exp is a long time playing the tier 9 .. with the possibility of screwing up my choice.

 

 

Comments/Advice?

 

 

Khabarovsk - artillery rating 33, 4x2 130mm guns, 2 front turrets, 2 rear turrets

  130mm/55 B-2-U <slightly different gun type>

  5s reload

  9s turn time

  99m dispersion

  HE-46 shell -- 1900dmg

  SAP-46 -- 2600dmg

  all other arty stats seem idential

  firing range 11.2km

  initial muzzle velocity - 900m/s

 

Grozovoi - artillery rating 35, 3x2 130mm , 2 front turrets, 1 rear turret

  130mm / 58 SM-2-1

  4.2s reload

  10s 180deg turn time

  97mm dispersion

  HE-42 shell - 1800dmg

  SAP-42 shell -- 2600 dmg

  initial muzzle velocity - 950m/s

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to make a note that a  heavier ship isn't necessarily a slower ship. A lot has  to do with below-waterline design, along with the overall length of the ship. Longer ships are (generally) faster if looking at equal horsepower. Similarly, turning radius is determined mostly on the relationship of the length and the beam. This is why Chapayev, a long, narrow ship, takes so long to make a turn, but the short, wide WWI and interwar battleships like Warspite can turn on a dime.

[sbcptnitro]

I have the Khab and played the Groz in test. The Groz isn't bad, but the Khab is so much better. Hold BBs at range while weaving at 40+ knts and laugh as they try to hit you.

[Wulfgarn]

 

[Grizley]

Don't fire HE at a Khab.  Seriously. 

 

It has up to 50mm of armor on the hull, and your HE isn't getting through that.  On the other hand, it's a big boat and that 50mm of armor seriously slows down shells.  Fire AP.  One shell sticking for a 33% pen is painful.

 

It's a light cruiser, not a DD in the same fashion as the others are.  So I'm not sure what the obsession with firing HE at it is.  

[Takhion]

Hey thanks for all the replies!

 

Pretty strong opinions.

 

So I'll put most of you down for Grozovoi then?  

kidding

 

[yashma]

Go Khaba, it's a great ship.

 

Don't fire HE at a Khab.  Seriously. 

 

It has up to 50mm of armor on the hull, and your HE isn't getting through that.  On the other hand, it's a big boat and that 50mm of armor seriously slows down shells.  Fire AP.  One shell sticking for a 33% pen is painful.

 

It's a light cruiser, not a DD in the same fashion as the others are.  So I'm not sure what the obsession with firing HE at it is.  

The Khabarovsk is a great ship, but one of its biggest weaknesses is how prone it is to eating BB regular pen damage.  That can really hurt, but given how strong the rest of the ship is it's only fair.  

[Tembin]

It's not just the DPS, it's also the tank.  If you run a heal build on the Khaba, you can tank around 2.5 to 3.5 million potential damage.  That is taking a lot of heat off your team.

[HazardDrake]

What's even scarier is when you see the Khab start to heal up. I love getting dreadnoughts in my Khab. Got 2 in her this morning

I think I may have just come up with the Khabarovsks new nickname, "T-1000".

 

[renegadestatuz]

I think I may have just come up with the Khabarovsks new nickname, "T-1000".

 

I approve of this!

[Tigermaus]

The Groz sucks.

 

The buff last patch wasn't nearly enough. It is not a competitive Tier X DD.

[awildseaking]

I'm actually very interested in the Grozovoi because you can torp spec and get ~98 sec reloads on 65kt 10km 1.3km detection torps. TA Mark 16's on the Gearing provide only .1 sec more reaction time. Plus you can get concealment down to ~7km and you have all around firepower and survivability.

[Tigermaus]

all around firepower and survivability.

 

The guns are good but the range is terrible and the ship is huge so you get cut to pieces rather easily.

[HazardDrake]

The Groz sucks.

 

The buff last patch wasn't nearly enough. It is not a competitive Tier X DD.

 

Don't worry, it's Russian. It will get more buffs in a couple weeks.

[Grevester]

What makes the Khab really special isn't the guns. It's not the speed. Not the heal.

 

What makes the Khab better than every other DD is it's 50mm side plating. This armor interferes with other DDs damaging it with HE. No DD can contest you directly, which allows you to move freely and do what you want most of the time.

As long as you're careful about keeping cruisers and BBs at range, they will struggle to hit you while you laugh in their faces.