275 BattlecruiserOperational Beta Testers 1,045 posts 4,700 battles Report post #1 Posted March 13, 2017 Title pretty much sums it up. I hated the Shchors, sold it once I unlocked the Crappy, and swore to myself I'd never buy the Crappy, and just skip it when I could. Now that I stopped grinding by Udaloi back though, because of the huge nerfs to the Grozevoi, I needed something new to grind. So I sold my Udaloi and bought the Crappy. Take her out for the first match and instantly regret my decision. Does she get at least playable with 2nd hull and range upgrade? This thing feels like it handles worse than my GK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,149 [HINON] RivertheRoyal Privateers 6,266 posts 3,308 battles Report post #2 Posted March 13, 2017 If you don't like the Chappy, then don't continue down the line. She really sets the tone for the rest of them. Incidentally though, she's much better after getting the second hull and range upgrades. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,656 [-K-] Ace_04 Members 8,491 posts 14,883 battles Report post #3 Posted March 13, 2017 If you didn't enjoy Kirov, Budyonny, or Shchors, there's no reason to continue up the line. The playstyle doesn't change much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,480 Stauffenberg44 Members 4,247 posts 9,871 battles Report post #4 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) The Chappy is a fine ship and so is the Kutuzov--radar and smoke á la carte. Edited March 13, 2017 by Stauffenberg44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
400 [RCNW3] Panzer1113 Members 1,943 posts 20,087 battles Report post #5 Posted March 13, 2017 Spectacular games when no one targets you, instantly deleted when shells come your way, feast or famine ships. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,480 Stauffenberg44 Members 4,247 posts 9,871 battles Report post #6 Posted March 13, 2017 Spectacular games when no one targets you, instantly deleted when shells come your way, feast or famine ships. I like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
786 [TOG] Bill_Halsey Members 4,213 posts 25,120 battles Report post #7 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Either play at the 15 km range, look @ the PT icon and know know to start disengaging or go for the short range(under 10km) for DD hunting. Wait until you unlock the B hull before that. That's when radar is available. Edited March 13, 2017 by Bill_Halsey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,903 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 15,876 posts 12,803 battles Report post #8 Posted March 13, 2017 If you are going to skip chappy, you might as well skip donkey too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
209 [TFLT] Viper069 [TFLT] Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 781 posts 12,739 battles Report post #9 Posted March 13, 2017 Wow, the Shchors and Chappy are both excellent ships. If you're having difficulties you're definitely playing them wrong. It's a cruiser, don't lead with it, or yolo into the red ships. It won't end well. Use HE at range, maybe some AP as you get closer and proper target angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,188 [LEGIO] Lampshade_M1A2 Members 3,470 posts 8,179 battles Report post #10 Posted March 13, 2017 I hated Shchors since it seemed to explode every-time somebody looked at it funny, yet I love Chapayev. Somehow that slight difference in armor keeps me alive much longer. I haven't played the Tier 9 or Tier 10 Soviet cruisers yet but I presume they play a lot like Chapayev. The B-hull with radar is very useful for Chapayev too. Destroyers don't seem to expect it and unloading 6" HE shells into a stationary destroyer is an absolutely delightful experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
157 JochenHeiden Members 866 posts 8,847 battles Report post #11 Posted March 13, 2017 Chapayev is one of the best cruisers in the game. Unbelievable fire starter, awesome concealment, long range radar. I loved every minute of Chapayev and would use her in a second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,283 [RLGN] Estimated_Prophet Members 14,960 posts 26,494 battles Report post #12 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Wow, the Shchors and Chappy are both excellent ships. If you're having difficulties you're definitely playing them wrong. It's a cruiser, don't lead with it, or yolo into the red ships. It won't end well. Use HE at range, maybe some AP as you get closer and proper target angle. Considering the elephant in a china-shop level of concealment, how exactly does one 'not play it wrong?' Kirov, Budyony, Molotov, there is no 'at long range looking like an unatractive target' unless you sit on the edge of the map sniping and collecting looks of hatered from your team. Have had good games in those ships, and used a Christmas Kutuzov for Honorable Service, but can't stand any on them because if a seagull take a dump on one they blow up. Edited March 13, 2017 by Estimated_Prophet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
275 BattlecruiserOperational Beta Testers 1,045 posts 4,700 battles Report post #13 Posted March 13, 2017 the thing is, I played a lot of Kutuzov on my other account and love that ship. I'm guessing this ship will be more tolerable with the range upgrade. But right now, with no smoke and no radar this thing is utter garbage. May the lord keep me sane as I try to grind that xp I need! edit: maybe I'm being too harsh on it. Below is my 4th game in her with a commander in retraining i.e. zero skills active. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,146 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,093 battles Report post #14 Posted March 13, 2017 I did lot better in chappy than donkey (ok just upgraded the hull, so may be it will be better) I liked chappy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
288 SweetRollThief Members 74 posts 10,172 battles Report post #15 Posted March 14, 2017 I skipped the chapevey cuz i have a kutuzov which is better in every possible way. The chappy gun range, large turning circle, massive citadel and lack of armor means it is free food for tier 10 BB, which it will see VERY often. I skipped it and have moskva now, zero regrets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,146 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,093 battles Report post #16 Posted March 14, 2017 meh, I am struggling more with donskoi vs chapayev. chapayev is very narrow and tough to hit at long range compared to donskoi. If i get within 12km with donskoi, I get deleted by BBs if you show even 20deg of side. I much prefer ibuki and Roon. once it is fully upgraded, I will take it easy before grinding it to moskva. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,480 Stauffenberg44 Members 4,247 posts 9,871 battles Report post #17 Posted March 14, 2017 meh, I am struggling more with donskoi vs chapayev. chapayev is very narrow and tough to hit at long range compared to donskoi. If i get within 12km with donskoi, I get deleted by BBs if you show even 20deg of side. I much prefer ibuki and Roon. once it is fully upgraded, I will take it easy before grinding it to moskva. As I said earlier I like the Chapayev. The Donskoi is another matter and I never could jive with her. Finally sold her on the weekend and got the Moskva which is a huge upgrade. I have her set up so that her main gun range is +22 km. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
209 [TFLT] Viper069 [TFLT] Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 781 posts 12,739 battles Report post #18 Posted March 15, 2017 Wow, the Shchors and Chappy are both excellent ships. If you're having difficulties you're definitely playing them wrong. It's a cruiser, don't lead with it, or yolo into the red ships. It won't end well. Use HE at range, maybe some AP as you get closer and proper target angle. Considering the elephant in a china-shop level of concealment, how exactly does one 'not play it wrong?' Kirov, Budyony, Molotov, there is no 'at long range looking like an unatractive target' unless you sit on the edge of the map sniping and collecting looks of hatered from your team. Have had good games in those ships, and used a Christmas Kutuzov for Honorable Service, but can't stand any on them because if a seagull take a dump on one they blow up. The OP's question was asking if he should skip the Chappy. I couldn't see where you'd played either the Shchors or the Chappy, so not sure what you're even commenting on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11,255 [WOLF3] HazeGrayUnderway Members 28,279 posts 24,681 battles Report post #19 Posted March 15, 2017 I'm very curious to know what they're going to do with Chapayev when they remove invisifire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
786 [TOG] Bill_Halsey Members 4,213 posts 25,120 battles Report post #20 Posted March 15, 2017 I'm very curious to know what they're going to do with Chapayev when they remove invisifire. Look at the PT icon and go evasive when it lights up. That's what I've been doing and it's a habit developed from playing the Atlanta. You know it's time to stop firing and run when 6 ships have you in the scope. Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,146 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,093 battles Report post #21 Posted March 16, 2017 I didn't run much stealthfire in chappy (rudder mod instead of concealment) had no issue. use cover and play smart. 68.5k average dmg aint so bad after 100 matches for me including stock grind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
59 [FFG31] Lightning_Lad64 Beta Testers 504 posts 5,815 battles Report post #22 Posted March 19, 2017 I hated Shchors since it seemed to explode every-time somebody looked at it funny, yet I love Chapayev. Somehow that slight difference in armor keeps me alive much longer. I haven't played the Tier 9 or Tier 10 Soviet cruisers yet but I presume they play a lot like Chapayev. The B-hull with radar is very useful for Chapayev too. Destroyers don't seem to expect it and unloading 6" HE shells into a stationary destroyer is an absolutely delightful experience. i havent made it to the Moskva yet, but the DD plays much differently than Chappy. Chapayev is one of the best DD hunter in the game. Donzkoi lacks the agility and reload to be really effective hunting DD's. My best matches with DD are as a support ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
275 BattlecruiserOperational Beta Testers 1,045 posts 4,700 battles Report post #23 Posted March 22, 2017 you know what's the worst thing? I got the DMD and I feel as if this ship is even weaker. I won't jump to conclusions just yet, but man I can't see what this thing is supposed to do. But back on topic, I didn't actually mind the Chappy after all. Great fire starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 AnatolyDyatlovDidNothing Beta Testers 621 posts 7,334 battles Report post #24 Posted March 22, 2017 I hated Shchors since it seemed to explode every-time somebody looked at it funny, yet I love Chapayev. Somehow that slight difference in armor keeps me alive much longer. I haven't played the Tier 9 or Tier 10 Soviet cruisers yet but I presume they play a lot like Chapayev. The B-hull with radar is very useful for Chapayev too. Destroyers don't seem to expect it and unloading 6" HE shells into a stationary destroyer is an absolutely delightful experience. The Donskoi played alot like Chappy too me, but Moskva is a complete about face that takes some getting used too. I also hated Schors. Ranked it below Pensacola even before it got its buffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,480 Stauffenberg44 Members 4,247 posts 9,871 battles Report post #25 Posted March 22, 2017 you know what's the worst thing? I got the DMD and I feel as if this ship is even weaker. I won't jump to conclusions just yet, but man I can't see what this thing is supposed to do. But back on topic, I didn't actually mind the Chappy after all. Great fire starter. I did so poorly on the Donskoi I happily sold it and moved the captain to the Moskva when I got her--now that is a great tier X CA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
