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New Italian premium CL Duca d' Aosta?

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So WoWS Asia's Twitter apparently just confirmed Duca d' Aosta as a new T6 Italian premium CL...

 

 

Thoughts?

 

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So WoWS Asia's Twitter apparently just confirmed Duca d' Aosta as a new T6 Italian premium CL...

 

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I think T6 is the worst Tier

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8 152mm guns compared to the Molotov's 180's? Yeah, count me out on that premium. I Run Tanz' skin that makes my Molotov look like that anyways. :P

 


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8 152mm guns compared to the Molotov's 180's? Yeah, count me out on that premium. I Run Tanz' skin that makes my Molotov look like that anyways. :P

 

My guess is that they'll be faster guns, or something else about the ship will be special in some way.

 

We don't know, because the ship was only just announced today.


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The HE on those guns fired at 950mps, and it could pump out 8 rounds per minute.

 

Also, it goes 36.5 knots, but the armor isn't great (similar to Molotov)


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Kinda like a zippier Cleveland... I'm in! At T6 it'll only cost about twenty bucks anyway.


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Pictures; because who doesn't love eye candy?

 

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8 152mm guns compared to the Molotov's 180's? Yeah, count me out on that premium. I Run Tanz' skin that makes my Molotov look like that anyways. :P

 

WG double standard logic dictates Russian 9 x 180mm is Tier 5/6 but anyone else 8 x 152mm is Tier 6.

 

Other than that, the ship is the Kirov and the Molotov's cousin twice removed, and would later be after the war, repatriated to the Soviets to serve as their own.  (The second Tier 6 ship that served with the Soviets as a repatriate --- the other is the Nurnberg).

 

 

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It's been a while since I've played actively however I think tier 7 is still the sweet spot. A tier 6 premium isn't a major credit earner and gets bad MM. d'Aosta will be fast but turns will be half as wide as the map. AA will be modest at best since it will be a historical snapshot. Rifles will be middle of the road once all categories are considered turret speed/RoF/Shells. So this one definitely feels like test of the waters for wallet strength of the Italian fan base.

 

If we examine the French, German and Italian 6" choices at this tier. Germans have the AP lasers at 960mps. I'm guessing Italy gets the M29 round which means the French will also have a faster round at 870mps vs 850mps for the Italian round. The French are far and away the heaviest at 56kg, with the Italian round having a modest weight advantage on the German. The Italian HE round manages to come in lighter than the German round. The French seem to have gone from a heavy HE round to a round about 3kg heavier than the Italian and German rounds. The non-existant British HE round being a solid 50kg. Once again using the M29 round the range of the German and French rifles is actually longer at ~28000 vs ~24000 on the AP. The HE round getting an extra 2000 which the HMS Hebe can attest to from being on the receiving end.

 

Rate of fire we see NBerg at the high end with 10-12 rounds. If the French enjoy the Gloire RoF they are around 9 and at the upper end Italy gets 8 rpm.

 

 Although without cracking anything open I think this comes down more to the fact that the rounds used in Italy where more two varieties of AP. Palle ironically being the more armored piercing round and perforante being a SAP round. So expect a fast ship, poor turns, aa that will not stop cross torping carriers and decent rifles. I believe there should be a dual cone accuracy. In low to mid range engagements the accuracy should be good to excellent. At long range...well the tiny little HMS Hebe was hit. So not great, not good. ehhh?

 

This will not be your father's OP Stalinium infused premium.


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UPDATE: We have TAP leaks, people!

 

 

Duca d’Aosta
Tier 6 Italian Premium Cruiser

Stats:
Ship HP: 29700
Deck Armour: 15-35mm
Citadel Protection: 16mm – 70mm
Torpedo Protection: 7%
Max Speed: 36.5 knots
Rudder Shift Time: 7.63 seconds
Turning Circle Radius: 710 m
Surface Detectability: 12.06km
Air Detectability: 7.35 km

Main Battery
152mm/53 Model 1929 (4 x 2)
Range: 14.0 km
Reload Time: 7.5 seconds
Turret Rotation Speed: 30 sec/180°
Sigma : 2.0

HE Ammo: 152mm HE
Damage: 2100
Initial velocity: 950m/s
Chance of fire: 7%

AP Ammo: 152mm AP Early type
Damage: 3200
Initial velocity: 1000m/s
Penetration (5km/10km) : 200mm/122mm

Secondary Battery
100mm/50 Mod. OTO (3 x 2)
Range: 4.5 km
Reload: 6 seconds
Damage: 1500
Chance of fire: 6%

Torpedoes
533mm Triple (2 x 3)
Damage: 13367
Speed: 66 knots
Range: 4.5 km
Reload: 71 seconds
Detectability: 1.4km

AA
100mm/50 Mod. OTO (3 x 2)
20 damage, 4.0km range

37mm Breda (4 x 2)
46 damage, 3.5km range

13mm Breda (4 x 2)
16 damage, 1.2km range

Consumables
(1st slot) Damage Control Party
(2nd slot) Hydroacoustic Search/ Defensive AA fire
(3rd slot) Catapult Spotter

 

 


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OMG 1000 mps.  So they have decided to go with the early type projectile.  This was reduced to the later type shell which "only" had 850 mps.  I was assuming they would use the 850 mps figure, but if they go with the 1000 mps figure (IRL suffered from dispersion problems due to the closeness of the guns and the variability of quality control) AND a sigma 2.0 to boot, which means the ship is shooting the fastest 6" shells in the game with little to almost no dispersion issues.

 

Think of the ship as the second coming of the Budyonny-Molotov meta.

 

This will be a worthy adversary to the Tier 6 French light cruiser the La Galissonniere (will the Le Gloire be a premium?) whose meta is somewhere between the Cleveland and the Budyonny.

 

 


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Pretty standard cruiser hull with laser-guns and useless torpedoes.  Could be good.


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OMG 1000 mps.  So they have decided to go with the early type projectile.  This was reduced to the later type shell which "only" had 850 mps.  I was assuming they would use the 850 mps figure, but if they go with the 1000 mps figure (IRL suffered from dispersion problems due to the closeness of the guns and the variability of quality control) AND a sigma 2.0 to boot, which means the ship is shooting the fastest 6" shells in the game with little to almost no dispersion issues.

 

Think of the ship as the second coming of the Budyonny-Molotov meta.

 

This will be a worthy adversary to the Tier 6 French light cruiser the La Galissonniere (will the Le Gloire be a premium?) whose meta is somewhere between the Cleveland and the Budyonny.

 

 

 

Honestly, it doesn't look much better than an Omaha/Marblehead to me.  It's the same broadside as the Marblehead has, with a little more range.  Marblehead actually has a greater ROF than this does.  We have another classically over-tiered ship coming. Edited by crzyhawk

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It looks balanced, nothing overly OP about it.

 

I mean, if you think about it...

Molotov has 9x 180mm laser beams with 12.5s reloads

 

This ship has 8x 152mm laser beams with Leander reload speeds


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Honestly, it doesn't look much better than an Omaha/Marblehead to me.  It's the same broadside as the Marblehead has, with a little more range.  Marblehead actually has a greater ROF than this does.  We have another classically over-tiered ship coming.

 

 

Basically its like the theoretical post Omaha I like to talk about with 8 guns on four dual mounted turrets, which isn't hard to imagine.

 

Considering that Tier 6 cruisers are not exactly that great anyway, I think its okay.  As a premium it only needs to be okay, and not pay to win good.  The tree cruisers would need to be better, or the premiums need to be worst than them.

 

 

 

 

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The problem is, this is a T5 cruiser dressed up as a T6 cruiser.


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The problem is, this is a T5 cruiser dressed up as a T6 cruiser.

 

Except we don't know her stats or capabilities. Molotov is a tier five cruiser in tier 6, and she does just fine.

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Except we don't know her stats or capabilities. Molotov is a tier five cruiser in tier 6, and she does just fine.

 

Molotov is a tier 5 hull with tier 9 guns, this is a tier 5 ships with tier 6 guns. they do not compare at all. 

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Aosta has the tier V rifle, the 152/55. The 152/55 will ironically probably have a slightly worse performing rifle for AP game wise as it is 910mps. The HE might turn out to be a laser at near 1000mps or just standard 950mps rail gun.


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Exactly.  She has a T5 gun on a T5 hull, with no gimmick like smoke to make up for it.  Engine boost simply isn't enough to make the ship a T6.


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Molotov is a tier 5 hull with tier 9 guns, this is a tier 5 ships with tier 6 guns. they do not compare at all. 

 

And that's all Molotov has over the Kirov. These guns sound very usable. Keep in mind Budyonny also has 152mm guns at tier 6. Chapayev has 152mm guns at tier 8. The gun itself doesn't really matter, but those fast shells will make for a very comfortable shooting experience.

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Molotov is a tier 5 hull with tier 9 guns, this is a tier 5 ships with tier 6 guns. they do not compare at all. 

 

 

The Donskoy is more like a Tier 9 hull with Tier 6 guns.  

 

The Kirovs were in fact in real life fitted with these high muzzle velocity 1000 mps 180mms guns, but they had a very short barrel life and the high muzzle velocity is causing dispersion problems, so they toned it down for a while which is the configuration of what you see in the game.  Once the issues were refined out, the muzzle velocity went up back to 920 mps, which were reflected in the second and third set of Kirov subclasses.  The Molotov belonged to the second set.

 

Why did the Kirovs originally had 1000 mps?  The same Italian designers are giving the same ideas to the Soviets, and you only need to see that the Condottieri class itself is the granddaddy to the Kirovs, and you got that early 1000 mps AP on the d'Aosta.  Similarly, the Condottieris downgraded to an 850 mps shell to counter dispersion problems and to increase barrel life.

 

Donskoy basically has a Frankenstein gun-turret --- the Molotov's guns on the Chapayev's turrets (same turrets from the Buddy to the Mikhail).

 

 

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Exactly.  She has a T5 gun on a T5 hull, with no gimmick like smoke to make up for it.  Engine boost simply isn't enough to make the ship a T6.

 

 

Her gimmick is a 36 plus knot speed along with 1000 mps AP shells.  At a distance she will look like a Soviet cruiser, and people might try to lead their guns in anticipation of one, but you may end up under leading since the ship might be moving faster than a Soviet cruiser.  Its for the same reason I tend to lead a bit more ahead if I am aiming at an Omaha compared to other cruisers as the Omaha is a bit faster.   At 36 knots you might be giving the ship the same target lead as you do with destroyers.

 

 


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Her gimmick is a 36 plus knot speed along with 1000 mps AP shells.  At a distance she will look like a Soviet cruiser, and people might try to lead their guns in anticipation of one, but you may end up under leading since the ship might be moving faster than a Soviet cruiser.  Its for the same reason I tend to lead a bit more ahead if I am aiming at an Omaha compared to other cruisers as the Omaha is a bit faster.   At 36 knots you might be giving the ship the same target lead as you do with destroyers.

 

 

 

Budyonny's only a knot slower without engine boost, has excellent MV, heavy shells and armor.

 

Marblehead has reasonable MV at 914 though I don't know what the aerodynamic comparison is. She does lose a couple of knots speed (plus engine boost) but has 8-broadside, 6-bow at 8.6 RPM vs. 8-broadside, 4-bow for D'Aosta.

 

 

Just being T6 with Def. AA, Rudder Shift Module is a boon. If she does get 16mm bow that's a bit of a boon compared to some T6 CL, the only other with 16mm so 203mm autobouncing is Cleveland.

 

Citadel height according to Phoenix_jz shouldn't be terrible. It could work. A premium coming in a bit behind Budyonny in power would have been laudable 6 months ago.


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