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Any word on a new French premium cruiser?

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It would have made sense to have developed one to go along with the new line but it appears that we might be stuck with a BB to train cruiser captains with. Are those who don't like the playstyle of the only French premium just out of luck.


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yes, it will be a tier 3 row boat complete with a white flag. zero guns


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yes, it will be a tier 3 row boat complete with a white flag. zero guns

 

There are guns... they just get thrown over while hoisting the flag in the countdown before the game

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Why would you make French-surrender jokes about the French Navy which had elements that continued to distinguish itself and fight against the Axis throughout the whole duration of the war even against the express wishes of the Vichy French government?

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Why would you make French-surrender jokes about the French Navy which had elements that continued to distinguish itself and fight against the Axis throughout the whole duration of the war even against the express wishes of the Vichy French government?

 

I don't know. It's an annoying stereotype that keeps repeating itself. On the topic of your question OP, I believe the cruiser Suffren might be a possibility.

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As usual: :)

Edgar Quinet please!

 

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With the frequency I've been bringing this ship up, y'all probably think I have a smokestacks fetish by now...  Well, not only does she have a unique look, but a uniform main battery arrangement that was rare for pre-WW1 Armored Cruisers.  Along with SMS Blucher, she'd be one of the only ships of that type that could work with the current control scheme - without suffering from the same issues as Mikasa.


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Based on my experience in the SlamDunk, maybe their national flavor is "fun to play"

 

 

edit: C'mon Mouse, the white flag/reverse gear jokes are only in jest. Those jokes are no different than the fascism and socialism jokes about the German and Soviet navies, respectively. The majority of the community has been very anxious to see a French line. Furthermore, respect for the French Navy on the NA server, at least for Americans, should date well before the World Wars to the American Revolution. I sure as heck can't wait to work my way down the cheese and wine line! 

 

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Why would you make French-surrender jokes about the French Navy which had elements that continued to distinguish itself and fight against the Axis throughout the whole duration of the war even against the express wishes of the Vichy French government?

 

It is getting to be a very tired old joke. It's been passed on for several generations here in America. It basically stems from the fact that our parents and/or grandparents(for my generation ) had to shed American blood to haul their ashes out of the fire twice in 30 years.

 

Though you are right that the stereotype belongs to the army and not the navy. Having gotten the stuffing kicked out of it in WWI the French army just wasn't up for another fight so soon after. Even then it wasn't the individual French fighting man but the total lack of leadership at the top that did them in.

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Why would you make French-surrender jokes about the French Navy which had elements that continued to distinguish itself and fight against the Axis throughout the whole duration of the war even against the express wishes of the Vichy French government?

 

Leave it to Mouse to cut through the snarkiness that is ill deserved... +1


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As someone who as served with the French army overseas they are an amazing group of people. Some of the best soldiers I have ever seen in battle. 

 

Also lets keep in mind they pulled Americas [edited]out of the fire during the Revolution. :hiding:


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Why would you make French-surrender jokes about the French Navy which had elements that continued to distinguish itself and fight against the Axis throughout the whole duration of the war even against the express wishes of the Vichy French government?

 

Not to mention Camerone. Not to mention they are arguably the world's third strongest navy even today...they are the only other western navy to currently operate a functional supercarrier and strong naval aviation component, at least until the UK gets their new carriers online (Italian carriers are light CVs at best and basically amphibs / helicopter carriers with F-35/Harrier capability, Brazil's CV still flies Korean War-era planes and Thailand's CV is basically their royal yacht.)

 

View PostLonewolfpj, on 06 March 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

As someone who as served with the French army overseas they are an amazing group of people. Some of the best soldiers I have ever seen in battle. 

Also lets keep in mind they pulled Americas [edited]out of the fire during the Revolution. :hiding:

 

This. The United States would not have successfully achieved independence from Britain without the aid of the French. Or if they had, it would have taken a lot longer and been a lot bloodier. 

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If I recall the cruiser pictured in the Christmas Present teaser art looked a lot like the Jeanne d' Arc.  

 


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I wish French BBs came first.

 

Also lets keep in mind they pulled Americas [edited]out of the fire during the Revolution. :hiding:

 

Only to plunge themselves into revolution, tragically. A heavy price for aiding the American Revolution, paid for with the guillotine and more bloody conflicts.


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I wish French BBs came first.

 

 ​I wanted French DDs first. Speed demons from hell. But I'm a DD main so I'm biased. 

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It would have made sense to have developed one to go along with the new line but it appears that we might be stuck with a BB to train cruiser captains with. Are those who don't like the playstyle of the only French premium just out of luck.

 

Dunkerque *should* work to train a cruiser captain. As a cruiser-killer, using a cruiser-build captain may not be precisely optimal for Dunk, but should share a lot of the same skills and be pretty decent. 

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Dug it up:

 

 

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Granted it may have just been a general tease of the French CA line but the child scrawl itself looks more like the Jeanne than the ships slated for the tree:

 

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Granted it may have just been a general tease of the French CA line but the child scrawl itself looks more like the Jeanne than the ones slated for the tree:

 

Looks like the T1 Bougainville to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bougainville-class_aviso

 

It would have made sense to have developed one to go along with the new line but it appears that we might be stuck with a BB to train cruiser captains with.

 

None that I know of. The KM lack a DD trainer too, though they make up for it elsewhere (3 BB premiums, 2 CA premiums).

 

I may start training a new Captain on Dunkerque...

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Why would you make French-surrender jokes about the French Navy which had elements that continued to distinguish itself and fight against the Axis throughout the whole duration of the war even against the express wishes of the Vichy French government?

 

To take the point even further: If the French Navy under Comte de Grasse doesn't defeat the Royal Navy at the Battle of the Chesapeake in 1781, British General Cornwallis is not trapped and forced to surrender at Yorktown (which effectively ended the American Revolution).

 


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French Naval forces fought with distinction on both sides of the war, both under Vichy fleets, Allied Fleets, and even nuetral forces resisted Allied efforts to ensure their neutrality.


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Why would you make French-surrender jokes about the French Navy which had elements that continued to distinguish itself and fight against the Axis throughout the whole duration of the war even against the express wishes of the Vichy French government?

 

I think the French surrender jokes are a bit overplayed due to WW2.  It's kinda the same with the "Italians are crap at fighting" joke that's done as well due to the inept leadership of the Italian military during that era.

 

Those who know history should know that the French (Vichy and Free French) fought with great distinction during the war.  Heck!  The partisans also should be thrown into that list since they helped pave the way for the Allied invasion that ultimately defeated Germany.

 

 


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It is getting to be a very tired old joke. It's been passed on for several generations here in America. It basically stems from the fact that our parents and/or grandparents(for my generation ) had to shed American blood to haul their ashes out of the fire twice in 30 years.

 

Though you are right that the stereotype belongs to the army and not the navy. Having gotten the stuffing kicked out of it in WWI the French army just wasn't up for another fight so soon after. Even then it wasn't the individual French fighting man but the total lack of leadership at the top that did them in.

 

I recall that the French were somewhat prepared for another aggressive push by Germany during the interwar period.  However, technology and tactics marched on...so the French were forced to retreat at Dunkirk (probably the root of the "French retreating" joke).

 

That being said, the French being quite feminine / enemy of England is an English joke that has been historically told throughout generations.  Two of my favorite examples :P:

 

 


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I recall that the French were somewhat prepared for another aggressive push by Germany during the interwar period.  However, technology and tactics marched on...so the French were forced to retreat at Dunkirk (probably the root of the "French retreating" joke).

 

That being said, the French being quite feminine / enemy of England is an English joke that has been historically told throughout generations.  Two of my favorite examples :P:

 

 

 

​Just to point out. The French AND the British were defeated leading up to Dunkirk. They both badly underestimated the effectiveness of the Blitzkrieg. The difference is the Brits had an island to flee to and regroup. The French didn't. Edited by Tzarevitch

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​Just to point out. The French AND the British were defeated leading up to Dunkirk. They both badly underestimated the effectiveness of the Blitzkrieg. The difference is the Brits had an island to flee to and regroup. The French didn't.

 

That's very true...but we don't make fun of the British retreating (unless you are an American :P).

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That's very true...but we don't make fun of the British retreating

 

The BEF was about 1/10th the size of the French forces, so with a general failure it was never going to achieve much.

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