Post patch Minsk vs Pre patch Kiev.

[HyperFish]

So Minsk has replaced Kiev at Tier VII, with Kiev buffed and bumped to Tier VIII.

 

Is the old Kiev and the new Minsk comparable, or will they need different playstyles?

[Battleship_Dunkerque]

So Minsk has replaced Kiev at Tier VII, with Kiev buffed and bumped to Tier VIII.

 

Is the old Kiev and the new Minsk comparable, or will they need different playstyles?

 

I read that Minsk is a Leningrad sister-ship, if you've played that one, although with old Kiev's torps.  I haven't played either one, so can't tell you from my own experience. 

[Eisennagel]

 

Minsk is a Leningrad class sister ship, also the leader of its own subclass.

 

Both the Leningrad and the Minsk were bottled up together in the war enduring the Siege of Leningrad, when the Germans densely mined the water way to the city of Leningrad aka St. Petersburg, where WoWs studio is located.

 

So more than just sister ships, they were sisters in fate as well.

 

 

[AVR_Project]

The Orlan-ovoi (Ognevoi) and the Kiev are notorious HE spammers.

Moving them up in tier will have them face enemy ships more capable of handling their... spam.

Because of the fast turret traverse, I preferred the Ognevoi to the Leningrad.  You could run a full circle and only lack one turret for a couple seconds.  The Leningrad has slow gun traverse.  Like the Gremmy, if you touch that rudder, your guns need to catch up.

So you need to sail in a straight line with a Destroyer...  ouch.

 

[hoom]

Minsk gets 1 fewer barrel, worse angles, slower turret traverse, maybe longer hull but lower superstructure.

With the extra HE shell dmg its maybe not actually much worse but definitely plays similar.

[Kilpanic]

Minsk gets 1 fewer barrel, worse angles, slower turret traverse, maybe longer hull but lower superstructure.

With the extra HE shell dmg its maybe not actually much worse but definitely plays similar.

 

Well losing best-in-class torpedoes doesn't exactly qualify him for 'similar'. 

[Misaka_16]

This regular tech-tree ship being worse than the premium counter part thing needs to stop....

[HazardDrake]

This regular tech-tree ship being worse than the premium counter part thing needs to stop....

Leningrad isn't better, just difrent. Minsk gets better HE and worse torpedoes. Leningrad gets useable torpedoes and worse HE.

[Herr_Reitz]

I sorry but you folks consider a two turrent DD (Kiev) on equal footing with four and five turret ships of the same class/tier? meh - i'm calling her Sieve... 

[ForgMaxtor]

Leningrad isn't better, just difrent. Minsk gets better HE and worse torpedoes. Leningrad gets useable torpedoes and worse HE.

 

Are you sure this is the case?  I can't access the game at the moment, but the offical WoWs Wiki indicates that their HE is the same (i.e. the 0.6.2 RU DD HE damage buff to 1900 applied to the Leningrad).

 

The Wiki has been wrong before tho...

[ForgMaxtor]

I sorry but you folks consider a two turrent DD (Kiev) on equal footing with four and five turret ships of the same class/tier? meh - i'm calling her Sieve... 

 

Kiev has, and has always had, 3 turrets (3x2).

[HyperFish]

Keiv at Tier VII and now at Tier VIII has 3x2 turrets. Minsk has 5 x 1.

[Eichbomb]

Damn facts...

[HyperFish]

Minsk gets 1 fewer barrel, worse angles, slower turret traverse, maybe longer hull but lower superstructure.

With the extra HE shell dmg its maybe not actually much worse but definitely plays similar.

 

Is there anything MInsk does better than Kiev did at Tier VII?

[TheKrimzonDemon]

 

Is there anything MInsk does better than Kiev did at Tier VII?

 

Zilch. I compared all the ships, dropped the T5 and 7 ones into the sellitnow bin, only kept the new Gnevny for that outrageous camo. Kiev and Ognevoi are going to take some getting used to.

[HyperFish]

Kiev and Ognevoi are going to take some getting used to.

 

How so? I understand their playstyle hasn't changed, just their stats. 

[ForgMaxtor]

 

Is there anything MInsk does better than Kiev did at Tier VII?

 

Considerably better stealth.

[hoom]

 Well losing best-in-class torpedoes doesn't exactly qualify him for 'similar'. 

 You think Kiev had best in class torps?!

 

 Is there anything MInsk does better than Kiev did at Tier VII?

 Minsk has 7.74k base detection range vs 9 for Kiev so with CE, cammo & AFT it'll have invisifire from 12.65km vs 14.64km range.

[HyperFish]

Minsk has 7.74k base detection range vs 9 for Kiev so with CE, cammo & AFT it'll have invisifire from 12.65km vs 14.64km range.

 

I'll definitely have to give that a go. 

[vonluckner]

 

Is there anything MInsk does better than Kiev did at Tier VII?

 

No, Minsk is basically a Leningrad with 4km torps. Guns have slightly higher range but are the same otherwise.

[HyperFish]

I couldn't invisifire in my Kiev. I look forward to the salt from my Minsk.