New tier X destroyer

[hesko]

So let me get this right, Russian developers didn't like how their ships didn't have spots in competitive, so made a ship that is everything the Russian DD line is not.  Good stealth, good team assisting w/ AA, good concealment, and good torps?   Did I get any of this wrong?  

 

If it is stealthier, faster, and has a heal why bring a Gearing?  

[Lert]

You're getting your ships mixed up.

 

Khabarovsk is getting a heal (to replace smoke), but isn't stealthy.

Grozovoi has the AA and is more stealthy than Khab, but isn't getting the heal.

 

Gearing will remain a better torpedo boat than both. I don't have the numbers here, but I wouldn't be surprised if Gearing is a better gunboat that Grozovoi too.

 

[Fast_Battleship_Iowa]

Ha. Haha!

 

1. Grozovoi AA got nerfed, Gearing AA is now just as competitive.

2. Grozovoi has worse stealth than Gearing.

3. Grozovoi has worse smoke than Gearing.

4. Grozovoi has worse reload than Gearing. 

5. Grozovoi has worse agility than Gearing.

6. Grozovoi has worse torpedoes than Gearing.

7. Grozovoi has shorter range than Gearing. 

[hesko]

SO why add another [edited]tier X that can't compete.

[KyourakuShunsui]

SO why add another [edited]tier X that can't compete.

 

Same reason they added the German DD line. To have more ships available for people to grind. A lot of these DD imbalances will probably get worked out after the changes to invisi-firing. Until then, the new tier 10 Soviet DD is probably only for people like me that enjoy playing DDs and have unlocked all ships (except CVs). I plan on grinding for it just cause it is there. But then I enjoy the challenge of the Tier 10 German DD.

[MrEndeavour]

Ha. Haha!

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7. Grozovoi has shorter range than Gearing. 

 

This really makes Grozovoi less competitive. 12.4 km range with AFT

[wadavid]

Ha. Haha!

 

1. Grozovoi AA got nerfed, Gearing AA is now just as competitive.

2. Grozovoi has worse stealth than Gearing.

3. Grozovoi has worse smoke than Gearing.

4. Grozovoi has worse reload than Gearing. 

5. Grozovoi has worse agility than Gearing.

6. Grozovoi has worse torpedoes than Gearing.

7. Grozovoi has shorter range than Gearing. 

 

^ That. I love the Soviet DDs but the Grozovoi does not excite me at all. The only thing it has is nasty AA, and that's not enough to make up for everything else about it that's mediocre. The Udaloi will be a better ship, full stop.

[BladedPheonix]

Ha. Haha!

 

1. Grozovoi AA got nerfed, Gearing AA is now just as competitive.

2. Grozovoi has worse stealth than Gearing.

3. Grozovoi has worse smoke than Gearing.

4. Grozovoi has worse reload than Gearing. 

5. Grozovoi has worse agility than Gearing.

6. Grozovoi has worse torpedoes than Gearing.

7. Grozovoi has shorter range than Gearing. 

 

you forgot to mention that the gearing is also sexier than the Grozovoi!

[Fast_Battleship_Iowa]

^ That. I love the Soviet DDs but the Grozovoi does not excite me at all. The only thing it has is nasty AA, and that's not enough to make up for everything else about it that's mediocre. The Udaloi will be a better ship, full stop.

IMO most tier IX ships are better all around. They are improvements from the tier 8 below them, where tier 10 seems like a side upgrade compared to the tier 9 below them. 

[Fast_Battleship_Iowa]

you forgot to mention that the gearing is also sexier than the Grozovoi!

I actually really like the Grozovoi visually, but I find many Russian ships with their very straight angles and almost perfectly straight lines good-looking.

[hesko]

As a player who just came back to the game what is there to get besides gearing?  IN DD's that is.  I wish the game was more balanced like teir X in WOT.  I can play all those mediums and they all work.  It seems other DD lines are gimped. 

[_Fantomex_]

balanced like teir X in WOT

 

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

 

Oh wait, you're serious about that?

 

WoWs has its issues, but most people agree that WoWs is far more balanced than WoT is, even at tier 10. For every complaint about the Montana being underpowered, you have a comment saying that it's the most well-rounded tier 10 BB. For every post about the Zao being OP, you have someone claiming the Moskva is even more broken. That right there is balance; the fact that players can't come to a consensus about what ships are overpowered and underpowered (except USN CV's). You can hardly say the same about WoT, especially with the recent power creep of Swedish tanks and the Czech mediums.

 

As for DD's, they all have their places at tier 10. The Gearing is by far the most well-rounded, the Shimakaze, although considered weak, is still fantastic and unparalleled at area denial. The Khabarovsk is it's own... thing..., and the Z-52 would be fine when they address the KMS DD gun bloom. The Grozhovoi(?) honestly seems like it will be quite underwhelming compared to the Gearing and Khabarovsk.

 

WoWs has its problems, but the balance between tier 10 DD's is not even close to being one of them. 

[Tigermaus]

I don't see why they nerfed the AA as much as they did. Sure it needed some adjustment, but now it's only about 5% better than the Gearing. What's the f-ing point?

[DireWound]

Ha. Haha!

 

1. Grozovoi AA got nerfed, Gearing AA is now just as competitive.

2. Grozovoi has worse stealth than Gearing.

3. Grozovoi has worse smoke than Gearing.

4. Grozovoi has worse reload than Gearing. 

5. Grozovoi has worse agility than Gearing.

6. Grozovoi has worse torpedoes than Gearing.

7. Grozovoi has shorter range than Gearing. 

 

​Yeah when I first looked at Groz I wondered who is going to mess with that thing, 10.3 base range on the main gun are you kidding me?  It should be at least 11.3 so it could be upgraded to decent specs.   That's way to close to the range with insta-delete secondary BB specs between 8-10K range.  And that's too close to get to a well played cruiser unless you are on a torp suicide run.   

 

Sure you can up the main gun range with skills that's just still too tight of a margin when you as a DD are constantly trying to stay clear of overlapping fire from other ships all wanting to kill the DD first.  High tiered fights are very stressfull if you don't drive a death star BB ship already. 10K guns just narrow that margin of where you can fight witht fearing instant deletion.  

 

​In a game where BBs lob what I call lottery ticket shells "albeit inaccurately" from 20k+ this is insane to choose this ship where there are several other ship options.  An American dd for instance can get OKish DD range without even the captain skills and can shoot over hills with high arcs making it better at abusing terrain and better at the 10K plus bracket now.

 

​For me the main "thing" for russians was and should have always been gun range for their laser cannons.  10K torps just don't make up for the range issue I don't believe, but problem is I don't want to spend my hard earned resources on a gamble ship that looks poor on paper. 

 

The russian torps do though seem to reload faster and are great in tighter places where you don't need the extreme range of a Gearing.  I could see this ship doing well in the right circumstances, I've had good luck with trashkan in areas of tight fights around islands.  But, that all depends on the other team engaging around islands making it situational.

 

​So far all the negatives of this ship, 1K range on the guns to me would make it more interesting.  At least put it on par with the tier 9 gun range.  I just don't get how WG manages to go out of their way make most of the tier 10 ships undesirable in some regards.  Why on earth would you have a year 1944 destroyer with 10% less gun range than a 1940 destroyer? 

 

Tier 10 is already a pain with higher costs and queues that are the longest I've seen.  Please quit putting some poison pill that is specifically unlikeable on the tier 10 ships.

 

All the other negatives of the OPs list I could deal with but that is just crazy that the guns are so sad range-wise on par with mid-tiered DDs.  As the poster has shown it is hard to argue a reason for this ship over the Gearing, good play balance needs to give people a reason to really want this ship.  Gun range at least roughly on par with other gunboat DDs is not too much to ask. 

 

Calling this a pure torpedo boat is not right either, if you wanted torps you'd stick with Japan or US at this point. Japan for best tier 10 torp Damage, US for best tier 10 torp range.  It appears to be another generic all around ship which doesn't seem to excel at anything.

 

So really, Russia's takeaway lessons from participating WW2 was that they should lessen the ship gun ranges!?

[TulskiyTokarev]

Well, at least people will stop crying about Russian bias

[Seamus_44]

SO why add another [edited]tier X that can't compete.

 

​So I can have more fun at T10 in my Gearing, while going RU in T7 and T8 to set things on fire from afar