The Roon is a massive upgrade from Hipper

[JochenHeiden]

Despite all the positive things people say about Hipper, I found it a terrible ground.  Its biggest problem is exposure to Tier X battles without a heal, and its low DPM.  I am now in the Roon and I find it to be a massive upgrade from Hipper!  The 8.8 second reload is outstanding, it is maneuverable if you run both rudder shift mods, and its AA suite is excellent.  I was dreading the jump because I had some bad memories from Nurnberg and the aft turret mounts, but it has not been an issue in Roon.  Definitely an excellent ship, and it will be a pleasant ride up to the Hindenburg.

[Adm_Nate_Ellis937]

Hindenburg is my favourite German cruiser, next to Eugen. Shes what I call the "JoATMoN" (Jack of All Trades, Master of None) ship.

[Terrible_Turtle]

T8 ships in T10 matches is always rough. As for the German cruisers, they just get better and better as you go. Enjoy your Roon! Hindy gets even better. 

[Falls_USMC]

Roon is incredibly fun. I was almost sad when I finished the grind to the Hindy. 

[Wyatt_DERP85]

The Hipper could be strong but the problem is that due to the slow rate of fire and high damage, AP is only great in a small percentage of situations and HE was weak when you will find yourself having to shoot at from time to time. 

The rate of fire is insane - even the "weak" German HE becomes deadly due to the sheer number of shells you can spit out. Love the Hindenburg too.

[anonymised]

In a tough spot. I have the Eugen from a Santa crate and I don't want to grind the Hipper as its the same with 1% less fire chance. 

 

Is it OK to free xp to the roon in this instance?

[Falls_USMC]

In a tough spot. I have the Eugen from a Santa crate and I don't want to grind the Hipper as its the same with 1% less fire chance. 

 

Is it OK to free xp to the roon in this instance?

 

I would think so. If you have the Free XP then go for it. However if you enjoy the Eugen, the Hipper is more of the same. Might not be as bad a grind as you think. 

[SeaRaptor]

 

Roon is a great ship.  Enjoy the grind.  Hindenburg is well worth it.

[bassmasta76]

I like the Admiral Hipper... she does have her weaknesses, but if played properly, can be a terror.  I'll admit, the reload times are painful, especially when switching between HE and AP (which I find myself doing more in this ship than in any other).  I should get EL as a captain skill, but am grinding it a bit.  

 

The AP is pretty deadly though... I used it to grind through one of the Honorable Service campaign missions - 50 citadels in a T8+ Cruiser.  It was lots of fun... I had a 14 citadel game once just chewing up the opposition.   While the HE is a bit on the weak side, I added HEAP and have found that it helps quite a bit.  IMHO.

 

Regarding her AA - I was in a match where it was a Roon and I vs. a CV at the end.  The CV kept sending planes and took out the Roon, but I had buffed AA on the Hipper and was eating planes like candy .

 

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[CaptainGadriel]

Hello everyone, just hit the Roon today, sadly not enough credits to upgrade the reload speed, the hull or the range. What do you guys recommend upgrading first, Im struggling trying to fight in that 16 km range, maybe upgrade the range first? For the 17.8 km, what are your thoughts?

[JochenHeiden]

Get the upgraded guns.  The reload speed is crucial!

[Bill_Halsey]

I got the Roon yesterday and upgraded the guns first. Got into a gunnery duel with a Nagato in full health. Just the two of us. Lasted for 10 minutes and burned her to the water line. It started in the 15 km range and became a 10-12 km range running fight,  with me chasing the BB down. He kept overshooting and the shells would just pass or hit the superstructure but RNG Jesus granted him 2 citadel hits. Thankfully not both at once. The rear 2 guns means I have to kick the bow to unmask the rear guns to shoot, but the 8 sec reload time was worth it.

[anonymised]

In a tough spot. I have the Eugen from a Santa crate and I don't want to grind the Hipper as its the same with 1% less fire chance. 

 

Is it OK to free xp to the roon in this instance?

 

I did it.

 

7 or 8 games in and I love this ship. Survivability is ACE.

[centarina]

I started with range mod until i got the range upgraded then changed to ROF.     8.8 sec reload is pretty cool.     I am doing better with ibuki, but roon is still very strong and can dish it out.

[SeaRaptor]

I started with range mod until i got the range upgraded then changed to ROF.     

 

This is a good way to go with Roon.  

[Fletcher7_1944]

Mean!!!  I'm just starting on Hipper, and have all but given up on trying to play it in the current meta- and this thread pops up...   I like the ship- really, I do- but it just gets squashed or blanked out almost every time.  When it does work, boy do those guns rip things apart!  Those occasions where it can be effective just seem to be fewer and farther between.

 

 I do have almost 300k free xp...  lol.

[JochenHeiden]

Mean!!!  I'm just starting on Hipper, and have all but given up on trying to play it in the current meta- and this thread pops up...   I like the ship- really, I do- but it just gets squashed or blanked out almost every time.  When it does work, boy do those guns rip things apart!  Those occasions where it can be effective just seem to be fewer and farther between.

 

 I do have almost 300k free xp...  lol.

 

I'm now into the Hindenburg, my first Tier X ship, and let me tell you, the Hipper grind is WELL WORTH IT.  The Roon is a big upgrade, and Hindenburg even still.  It's scary pumping 12k salvos into a Yamato or GK every 8.8 seconds.

[KaptainKaybe]

I recently got the Roon (free XPed out of stock) and I am absolutely loving it! It is such a great ship, and if Hindenburg plays like her, I am stoked!

[SeaRaptor]

I recently got the Roon (free XPed out of stock) and I am absolutely loving it! It is such a great ship, and if Hindenburg plays like her, I am stoked!

 

Hindenburg is better in every way.  If you enjoy Roon, you'll adore Hindenburg.

[BRailfanH]

I'm currently in the late stages of the Hipper grind (about 60k to go 'til I get the Roon).  Is rudder shift more important than concealment, or should I go full concealment like I'm doing now w/ the Hipper?

 

I just have this feeling that I'm gonna really like that Roon, and the Hindenburg after that.

[KaptainKaybe]

I'm using the increased propulsion mod and the -40% rudder mod instead of concealment, while still using CE on my captain. I find it the perfect combo as I have decent concealment while still being very agile. Works well for me.

[reefhawg]

I found the Hipper to be a bit of a roller coaster with me at the controls,.. good game, 2 bad bad ones,.. an ok game, bad, etc.  But then again I only just started back into the cruiser line again starting at Yorck after long break.  

After a 64 game grind (Is 64 games considered a grind?) I went to the Roon,.. used free XP for all the upgrades, maxed it out and oooh baby.  I found a new love!

I got in 11 games yesterday with her. 1st match - 100k damage win, hmm ok this feels nice let's try again.  80K.  not bad.  Next several games 60 - 70 k and to cap off evening 150k. 

The guns are a real treat and the AP salvos,.. oh the AP.  I had a FDG beached full broadside at 10k where the numbers 4k, 3500 k,.. 6k were just popping up non stop.  I hit him for 40k + before he could get his turrets pointed my way at which time I angled away, took a few k damage while letting the rear turrets score a few more sweet AP salvos.  

HE was no slouch and with DE I set my fair share of fires as well.  Expert loader ensured DDs got their share of quick change HE.

Last memorable moment, I had half health with a heal left.  Had a N. Carolina about 16k away at close to full health.  I go straight at him so ya I missed the extra turret up front but I'd set him on fire quite a bit by the time I got to torp range and I'd only lost 1/4 hp.  My first torps land 2 and he was under half hp now.  I turn into him hard to get the other torps away,.. we get really close I pull trigger and I totally miss a close torp shot all the while getting some heavy AP shots broadside.  He was 1/4 hp now,.. me about 10%.  I'm in a no win so I ram him for the kill.  End game with 92k damage and the team won.  That guy in the NC was sour after that and he let me know it,..    said something about playing a real game only a bit more colorful.

 

so ya I'm thinking the Roon was indeed a nice (and perhaps massive) upgrade from Admiral Hipper.

 

 

 

 

[Apokita]

It's weird that I actually loved Hipper, even played ranked on her, but Roon is really giving me trouble. I get so focused, I can't even do anything before I get shot by 5 BB from 20km, it's really surprising

[Mahrs]

I think I actually enjoyed Hipper more than Roon...then again, they were both tough at times.  I sailed Hipper like a maniac and Roon doesn't tolerate that nonsense.  I will say this...8 games into Hindenburg, she is a BIG step up from Roon in my eyes.

[Apokita]

I think I actually enjoyed Hipper more than Roon...then again, they were both tough at times.  I sailed Hipper like a maniac and Roon doesn't tolerate that nonsense.  I will say this...8 games into Hindenburg, she is a BIG step up from Roon in my eyes.

 

ikr. I remember once doing an 1v4 and winning it. lol. but roon gets cit'd by khavarobsks and its really hard to play. It's really frustrating, sometimes I just bow and use only 1 gun from behind an island or something for like 10 min, the only way to do not get focused down