Answers from The Creators/Mods

[bburko01]

I've been playing WoW for 2 months now and at the beginning it was great. However I've found that as I'm progressing (now have Farragut, Omaha and Arizona) the game play is getting worse.

 

Really my only complaint, that is at this point makes me want to quit or at least spending any money here, is the ships disappearing right in front of me!!! FROM 3.5km AWAY!!! I just finished playing a round and got destroyed in minutes by 4 attacking ships, all less than 8km away, NO SMOKE, and they all seem to have Klingon Cloaking Devices. I mean really?! How is this acceptable game play? There's no way to engage any one of multiple enemies when they all have a cloaking device. This is crap! The Omaha isn't gonna disappear in front of you at 5km with no cover I don't care what kind of camo they've got.

 

I've been scouring the internet looking for the source of these magical powers the enemy seems to have. I see a ton of others online complaining about the same thing. Sure there are some that theorize about it and try to give super technical explanations but I've spent some time on boats at sea and big ships just don't disappear. Especially at 3-4km.

 

On a clear day at sea level, on flat seas you can see for 7 miles (11km)  before the curve of the earth begins to obstruct your view. Nobody seems to have any good answers for what this is. And the most frustrating thing that makes me want to quit is that I have yet to come across any answers from the creators/mods!!! Maybe I just haven't found them yet but I'm done wasting time looking for answers to questions that we players shouldn't need to be asking to begin with.

 

So I'm calling out the creators and mods... what's the answer here? I'm sure  you are all aware of the complaints. Is there going to be anything done to make this aspect of the game a bit more realistic? I understand it's a video game but at first I felt like it was an exceptional game but the more I play and advance the more I feel like it's just a rip off. Even for the little money I've paid for some doubloons and such.

 

A little help here.

[MajorRenegade]

nope, can't do it. what you asking us to do, is for us to hack or mod the game to make the ships appear for you. then it doesn't for anyone else that isn't using the mod

that would be a unfair to others, this is what we call a cheat

[Spyde]

I've been playing WoW for 2 months now and at the beginning it was great. However I've found that as I'm progressing (now have Farragut, Omaha and Arizona) the game play is getting worse.

 

My biggest complaint in ships disappearing right in front of me!!! FROM 3.5km AWAY!!! I just finished playing a round and got destroyed in minutes by 4 attacking ships, all less than 8km away, NO SMOKE, and they all seem to have Klingon Cloaking Devices. I mean really?! This is [edited]! The Omaha isn't gonna disappear in front of you at 5km with no cover I don't care what kind of camo they've got.

 

I've been scouring the internet looking for the source of these magical powers the enemy seems to have. I see a ton of others online complaining about the same thing. Sure there are some that theorize about it and try to give super technical explanations but I've spent some time on boats at sea and big ships just don't disappear. Especially at 3-4km.

 

On a clear day at sea level, on flat seas you can see for 7 miles (11km)  before the curve of the earth begins to obstruct your view. Nobody seems to have any good answers for what this is. And the most frustrating thing that makes me want to quit is that I have yet to come across any answers from the creators/mods!!! Maybe I just haven't found them yet but I'm done wasting time looking for answers to questions that we players shouldn't need to be asking to begin with.

 

So I'm calling out the creators and mods... what's the answer here? I'm sure  you are all aware of the complaints. Is there going to be anything done to make this aspect of the game a bit more realistic? I understand it's a video game but at first I felt like it was an exceptional game but the more I play the more I feel like I'm just being ripped off. Even for the little money I've paid for some doubloons and such.

 

A little help here.

 

This is an Arcade Game.  Not a Sim.

 

Each Ship has a Spotting Range.     Example.   Blyska

 

6.8 Spotting Range

10.4k Spotting Range after shooting.

 

If someone is within 6.8km of the ship.. Everyone can see them.

If someone is within 10.4km of the ship after it shoots.. Everyone can see them

 

If they are in Smoke - You cannot see them without Hydro/Radar/Hard Detection Limit

 

 

That is the basics.   If an omaha cant be seen within 8km of you.. then he is in smoke, he is behind Cover or its on your end.

If you are in smoke.. and no one can spot them.. You can no longer see them.. and if you are detected by Hydro or Radar.. they can all shoot you and you cannot see them unless a team mate spots them.

 

If you are spotted by an Airplane or another ship because you shot.. and other ships are behind Cover/smoke etc.  They can still potentially shoot at you without you seeing them if no one can spot them.

 

 

 

There is no Magic/bugs with spotting.  Its a set game mechanic.

[bburko01]

I'm not asking to do it just for me. I've found tons of posts from folks going back a couple years now complaining of the same thing.

 

[Spyde]

I'm not asking to do it just for me. I've found tons of posts from folks going back a couple years now complaining of the same thing.

 

 

Most are new people that don't know the spotting Mechanics.

 

im sure there are some Youtube Vids that explain and show it.

[bburko01]

If I'm cruising in the Arizona, the Omaha isn't gonna disappear on me at less than 8km away. And no I wasn't in smoke and neither were they.

 

[_BloodHawk_]

If I'm cruising in the Arizona, the Omaha isn't gonna disappear on me at 3-4 km away. And no I wasn't in smoke and neither were they.

 

He won't, unless smoke is involved or line of site was broken. What you describe doesn't happen in game without said mechanics. 

[bburko01]

So perhaps the game mechanics could be made more accurate?. For Everyone!

[AspiringCodger]

Just read this:

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/14258-basics-spotting-mechanics/

[MajorRenegade]

So perhaps the game mechanics could be made more accurate?. For Everyone!

did you by any chance drive into friendly smoke by mistake?

[bburko01]

Thanks BloodHawk. but it is happening. I'm not the first to complain of it. At first I didn't care because it wasn't happening all the time. But I'm finding that the more I progress ship-wise the more frequently it's happening.

[TheKrimzonDemon]

I'm not asking to do it just for me. I've found tons of posts from folks going back a couple years now complaining of the same thing.

 

 

Virtually all of them from new players who simply don't understand the game mechanics. The rest are from disaffected morons who are just plain bad at the game, and want an excuse for it that their egos can handle.

[renegadestatuz]

So perhaps the game mechanics could be made more accurate?. For Everyone!

 

The game mechanics are exactly the same for every person playing. It does not and cannot change for different players. And the game is not supposed to be exactly or more accurate, it's an arcade game not a sim. Balance>historical accuracy. Balance always trumps historical accuracy.

[renegadestatuz]

Thanks BloodHawk. but it is happening. I'm not the first to complain of it. At first I didn't care because it wasn't happening all the time. But I'm finding that the more I progress ship-wise the more frequently it's happening.

 

Game might not be rendering the ships completely or in time if you have a poor machine. If you have a crap machine, this game doesn't play well unless you have every setting on low.

[AspiringCodger]

 

Virtually all of them from new players who simply don't understand the game mechanics. 

 

Exactly.  Most of them seem to be able to find a large amount of complaint posts, but somehow can't manage to find the ones about the game mechanics.  I can't count how many times I've posted the same link for this type of thread.  

[bburko01]

Thanks for your voice Major Renegade but as I said in my initial post, there was zero cover for me or them. Me in the Arizona...4 attackers on me, (The Omaha, another cruiser, The Nicolas and a battleship). My team mates were destroyed or had ran off. All 4 ships at less than 8 km had disappeared in open ocean. No smoke. No land for cover and they were gone. I could see their munitions being fired but no ships to fire them.

 

How are you supposed to play like that. I understand that in that scenario I didn't expect to win but I couldn't even fight.

[bburko01]

Um, I'm running a i7-6850k on an MSI x99a Gaming Pro with an Asus Strix 1080 A8G and 32gb of Ripjaws V RAM with XMP turned on in BIOS.

 

It may not be the absolute top of the line but it's by no means a crap machine.

 

[Macabe]

Learn spotting/concealment mechanics and all will make sense. There are many guides on the forum that explain it quite well. Or you can go to the wiki where it is much more technical.

[renegadestatuz]

Um, I'm running a i7-6850k on an MSI x99a Gaming Pro with an Asus Strix 1080 A8G and 32gb of Ripjaws V RAM with XMP turned on in BIOS.

 

It may not be the absolute top of the line but it's by no means a crap machine.

 

 

I was just trying to point out a possibility in case you did have a lower end machine.

[Battleship_Dunkerque]

Thanks for your voice Major Renegade but as I said in my initial post, there was zero cover for me or them. Me in the Arizona...4 attackers on me, (The Omaha, another cruiser, The Nicolas and a battleship). My team mates were destroyed or had ran off. All 4 ships at less than 8 km had disappeared in open ocean. No smoke. No land for cover and they were gone. I could see their munitions being fired but no ships to fire them.

 

How are you supposed to play like that. I understand that in that scenario I didn't expect to win but I couldn't even fight.

 

The only explanations are that they were nowhere near as close as you think they were, or there was smoke that you could not see because you were in zoomed-in view.  Some ships can "stealth-fire" if they have enough stealth - it isn't uncommon to see ships with a detection range of well under 6 km if they have a high skill Captain with Concealment Expert.

 

Rereading this quote, you said all 4 enemies disappeared.  It *has* to be smoke from the Nicholas, then.  There are no BBs that can stealth fire at ranges under 14-15 km or more.  At some ranges, especially when using the binoculars view, smoke does not render properly - the Nicholas had to have smoked for his buddies.  What you saw was the shells being fired from within or behind the smoke, even though you couldn't see the smoke itself.

[awiggin]

If I'm cruising in the Arizona, the Omaha isn't gonna disappear on me at less than 8km away. And no I wasn't in smoke and neither were they.

 

 

Learn the mechanics, watch the replays, profit....

If you have a replay showing ships disappearing at short range for no reason, it should be posted in the forums.

Unfortunately, whenever someone like you posts this, they either have no proof, or they simply don't understand the mechanics well enough...

[bburko01]

I've looked at the mechanics again. I get the mechanics are supposed to specific but what I read in that post does not hold true all the time. If I can spot and start shooting at a ship at 16km with the Arizona, how can that same ship disappear on me as the distance between the two of us is decreasing as we engage each other?

[RogueFlameHaze]

I've looked at the mechanics again. I get the mechanics are supposed to specific but what I read in that post does not hold true all the time. If I can spot and start shooting at a ship at 16km with the Arizona, how can that same ship disappear on me as the distance between the two of us is decreasing as we engage each other?

 

as soon as a ship stops firing, a 20 second timer starts counting down in the game. At the 20 second mark, that ship's spotting range goes back to the amount specified by that ship's statistics.

[MajorRenegade]

I've looked at the mechanics again. I get the mechanics are supposed to specific but what I read in that post does not hold true all the time. If I can spot and start shooting at a ship at 16km with the Arizona, how can that same ship disappear on me as the distance between the two of us is decreasing as we engage each other?

if you're not within his detection range, he will disappear 20 second after he fire his guns. I have a stealth build for my Iowa of 12km, i can disappear 20 second later after I fire my guns and I move in closer for a better hit. Unless someone get within 12km of me

[bburko01]

Thanks awiggin for your thoughts. Not sure about that,  if a ship's disappearance is a surprise to me how am I to catch it on video? So I'm to record every game I play then and then post the one(s) showing the issue. Ok.

 

For some reason I feel like some folks will then say the video was edited. I'll see what I can do.