HMS perfect CV 10 list?

[anonym_ix2LQemoTpfh]

http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/ww2-aircraft-carriers.asp 

 

I wasn't even really trying and found this. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_World_War_II

 

And of course theres this list. Still baffles my mind the hold off on UK ship lines.. They had just as many ships as the US and Japan had. Yes we love more ships no? So we add more Russian ships and no other ships that actually had a roll or existed in WW's...

[Shield380]

They could also just be building up for a massive update which would usher in a ton of new content

[anonym_ix2LQemoTpfh]

They could also just be building up for a massive update which would usher in a ton of new content

 

Marketing 101  

[Shield380]

 

Marketing 101  

 

'Tis true! They are theoretically making a huge demand (our hunger for new content) so when they have a large supply of ships to release we shall all be happy. Pretty sure that is not exactly how it works but oh well 

[mr3awsome]

Its almost like the Royal Navy didn't have ships that were used all over the world by more than a dozen countries. 

That was obviously Russia. 

[Halonut24]

 

'Tis true! They are theoretically making a huge demand (our hunger for new content) so when they have a large supply of ships to release we shall all be happy. Pretty sure that is not exactly how it works but oh well 

 

Cut it out, you're getting me all hyped up!

If that's true, does this mean the Yorktowns are getting their rightful place in the tech tree? Maybe put Lex at VII and Yorktown at VIII? Maybe a CVE line as well? So many possibilities.

Aside from the USN, the Royal Navy definitely needs an overhaul of ships. Battleships, Carriers, Destroyers. The three biggest navies would then be USN, RN, and IJN. (RN = Royal Navy). Also, since Germany developed a CV during the war, should that be a premium?

[JinghisKhan]

Scrounged something up a few days ago for this line of conversation.

 

British Carrier Line:

 

Tier IV: HMS Argus

-20 knot speed, buff historical capacity to 36 aircraft carried

 

Tier V: HMS Hermes

-25 knot speed, buff historical capacity to 42 aircraft carried

 

Tier VI: HMS Furious

-28 knot speed, buff historical capacity to 48 aircraft carried

 

Tier VII: HMS Illustrious

-31 knot speed, armored flight deck, 60 aircraft

 

Tier VIII: HMS Ark Royal

-31 knot speed, armored flight deck. 72 aircraft

 

Tier IX: HMS Implacable

-33 knot speed, armored flight deck, 85 aircraft

 

Tier X: HMS Malta

-33 knot speed, armored flight deck, 108 aircraft

 

British CV Quirks:
-Squadrons come with five aircraft per squadron in default configurations
-Great fighter aircraft at all tiers (Seafires/Hurricanes and US Wildcats/Corsairs)
-Fighters on certain carriers (Blackburn Skuas) are both fighters and dive bombers
-Armored flight deck on later versions diminish fire chance from dive bombers
-High speed and agility from Tier V onwards
-Heavy emphasis on torpedo squadrons

 

[ArmouredCarriers]

Russia and Britain have a hate-hate relationship going back several centuries.

 

It's part of their culture.

 

I'm sure a British naval game wouldn't even include the Russians.

It would be hard for the Brits to justify to an internal audience , given the Russian navy's almost complete lack of action in WW1 and WW2.

 

As you can see in the recent Arctic Convoy videos, the Russian's contempt of Britain is endemic.

They feel those convoys were half-hearted token efforts.

Not conceding, of course, that the crated aircraft delivered by just one of those convoys alone could have been enough to save Singapore...

 

Britain fought in the Arctic, North Atlantic, South Atlantic, Indian Ocean, Mediterranean and Pacific Ocean in WW2.

For the Russians, this is cause for jealousy.

 

But the in-game modelling of the pitiful RN representation so far is ... acceptable.

They have made all RN ships unsuitable to beginner players.

But in the hands of those who have the knowledge and experience to balance their strengths and weaknesses, the Warspite, Fiji, Leander and Minotaur are good performers.

 

But if you ever need evidence of this contempt, simply look at the in-service date of RN ships for any given tier - then compare to the in-service date of the Russian's ships.

 

[ArmouredCarriers]

 

So RN carriers are a bit of a hobby of mine (you could tell... couldn't you?)

 

I've not put any effort into calculating a tree. But here's an off-the-top-of-my-head go:

 

 

t4 HMS Argus

Argus had a long history and all. But she was always experimental, and even before the war was a training carrier. Sure she was pressed into emergency active use from time to time, but only out of desperation Why not Hermes? Yes, she was the first purpose built carrier ... but she was always just an 'escort' carrier, capable of carrying 15 aircraft at 25kts. When lost in 1942 she was an anti-submarine / anti-raider escort carrying up to 15 Swordfish.

 

T5 HMS Eagle. 

This is a conversion of a Chilean battleship hull, finished in 1924. She could carry between 25 and 30 aircraft. Top speed about 24kts.

She does fit comfortably with Zuiho. She could carry up to 50 aircraft at 30kts

 

T6 HMS Illustrious

Why before Ark Royal, the design that preceded her? Well, Illustrious was built to fight in the confines of the North Sea and Mediterranean, where large numbers of motor torpedo boats, destroyers and cruisers were perceived to be a threat - as well as the permanent presence of land-based bombers. She had 3in armour on the decks between the lifts, and 4.5in on the hangar sides. The cost was a base hangar-only airgroup of 33 (though with deck parks they operated 57 Corsairs and Avengers off Japan in 45). In WoWs, it's only the aircraft that matter. 

HMS Corageous is also a good fit here, as she fits the of Ryujo, and the air-group scale of the ww2 cruiser conversion Independence. 

Another alternative, as Illustrious is so similar to Implacable, could be HMS Unicorn ... but she was a maintenance carrier with a backup-capability for emergency fleet use.

 

T7 HMS Ark Royal

Probably controversial here. But she was a creation of the early 1930s. She was able to carry 70 or so aircraft, her complicated lift arrangements and crew accommodation meant she could really only actively support about 54.(The lower hangar was essentially a dedicated maintenance hangar - not an operations hangar). How this would have all been affected by adding deck parks I don't know (RN never counted those as standard air groups, unlike US and Japan). But a deck park could give her about 65 operational aircraft, assuming a deck park of about 15/20 - similar to what was achieved on Illustrious. She was generally well designed for her time, with the 40mm pom pom long before other nations realised the need for a mid-weight AA gun. But, then, she had that funnel trunking Achilles heel...

 

T8: HMS Implacable

An upgrade of the Illustrious class with a second 'half' hangar. She had the 3in armour between the lifts, but the hangar side armour was reduced to about 1.5in. Capable of operating more than 80 Seafires, Fireflies and Avengers.

 

T9: HMS Audacious

I'm talking the WW2 build which was paused at the end of the war and then later completed (only slightly modified) in the early 50s as HMS Eagle (commemorating the earlier ship). These were design contemporaries to the Essex and could handle air groups of 85 (100 with deck park). She had a 4in armoured deck between the lifts, with 1.5in on the hangar sides.

The way WoWS totally ignored the historical armour distribution of Taiho at this tier doesn't give me any hope any of the RN's armoured carriers will be well represented...

 

T10: HMS Malta

Paper ship with advanced level of drawings and calculations. Easily on a par with Midway, while Hakuryu is a Wargaming re-imagining of what was in reality a minor proposed upgrade to the Taiho hull. Would have looked somewhat similar to Audacious though bigger, and without armour on the deck or hangar sides (she was designed to operate in the Pacific, not the Med/North Sea).

 

[Dimensional_Drift]

 

So RN carriers are a bit of a hobby of mine (you could tell... couldn't you?)

 

I've not put any effort into calculating a tree. But here's an off-the-top-of-my-head go:

 

 

t4 HMS Argus

Argus had a long history and all. But she was always experimental, and even before the war was a training carrier. Sure she was pressed into emergency active use from time to time, but only out of desperation Why not Hermes? Yes, she was the first purpose built carrier ... but she was always just an 'escort' carrier, capable of carrying 15 aircraft at 25kts. When lost in 1942 she was an anti-submarine / anti-raider escort carrying up to 15 Swordfish.

 

T5 HMS Eagle. 

This is a conversion of a Chilean battleship hull, finished in 1924. She could carry between 25 and 30 aircraft. Top speed about 24kts.

She does fit comfortably with Zuiho. She could carry up to 50 aircraft at 30kts

 

T6 HMS Illustrious

Why before Ark Royal, the design that preceded her? Well, Illustrious was built to fight in the confines of the North Sea and Mediterranean, where large numbers of motor torpedo boats, destroyers and cruisers were perceived to be a threat - as well as the permanent presence of land-based bombers. She had 3in armour on the decks between the lifts, and 4.5in on the hangar sides. The cost was a base hangar-only airgroup of 33 (though with deck parks they operated 57 Corsairs and Avengers off Japan in 45). In WoWs, it's only the aircraft that matter. 

HMS Corageous is also a good fit here, as she fits the of Ryujo, and the air-group scale of the ww2 cruiser conversion Independence. 
Another alternative, as Illustrious is so similar to Implacable, could be HMS Unicorn ... but she was a maintenance carrier with a backup-capability for emergency fleet use.

 

T7 HMS Ark Royal

Probably controversial here. But she was a creation of the early 1930s. She was able to carry 70 or so aircraft, her complicated lift arrangements and crew accommodation meant she could really only actively support about 54.(The lower hangar was essentially a dedicated maintenance hangar - not an operations hangar). How this would have all been affected by adding deck parks I don't know (RN never counted those as standard air groups, unlike US and Japan). But a deck park could give her about 65 operational aircraft, assuming a deck park of about 15/20 - similar to what was achieved on Illustrious. She was generally well designed for her time, with the 40mm pom pom long before other nations realised the need for a mid-weight AA gun. But, then, she had that funnel trunking Achilles heel...

 

T8: HMS Implacable

An upgrade of the Illustrious class with a second 'half' hangar. She had the 3in armour between the lifts, but the hangar side armour was reduced to about 1.5in. Capable of operating more than 80 Seafires, Fireflies and Avengers.

 

T9: HMS Audacious

I'm talking the WW2 build which was paused at the end of the war and then later completed (only slightly modified) in the early 50s as HMS Eagle (commemorating the earlier ship). These were design contemporaries to the Essex and could handle air groups of 85 (100 with deck park). She had a 4in armoured deck between the lifts, with 1.5in on the hangar sides.
The way WoWS totally ignored the historical armour distribution of Taiho at this tier doesn't give me any hope any of the RN's armoured carriers will be well represented...

 

T10: HMS Malta

Paper ship with advanced level of drawings and calculations. Easily on a par with Midway, while Hakuryu is a Wargaming re-imagining of what was in reality a minor proposed upgrade to the Taiho hull. Would have looked somewhat similar to Audacious though bigger, and without armour on the deck or hangar sides (she was designed to operate in the Pacific, not the Med/North Sea).

Tier 4 has to be Argus. The mother of all Brit carriers

Tier 5? Well Eagle is a bit lacking. WG might need to buff its speed and aircraft compliment of give it a fantasy hull.

Tier 6- No. Illustrious is way too op for tier six. Try Courageous/ Furious.

Tier 7 Ark Royal seems fine.

Tier 8 is where the Illustrious should be. High protection at the cost of low number of aircraft. That or Implacable also works.

Tier 9 and 10 is fine for Audacious and Malta respectively.

[Tembin]

I would love to see new CVs in the game, but they really need to fix the balance issues first and perhaps do something to improve the interface.

[Carl]

They've said no more CV's till the do the rework. We'll probably get another CV line, probably brits with them.

 

@Paco_Lui: in WOWS CV durability means almost nothing. Aircraft carrier is the only really important metric for performance.

[ReddNekk]

They could also just be building up for a massive update which would usher in a ton of new content

 

Yeah, MORE Roo-Shin firestarter DDs with OP guns.