T-22 Sign to Stop?

[AhosChaos]

So I've played less than 10 games in the T-22 and still am completely stock, but I can already feel that this ship is not going to be fun for me.  I'm not necessarily doing bad in the ship as I have decently high average damage over the few games I've played, but I just don't enjoy the ship.  Somewhere between the short smoke, lackluster turret traverse, Tachibana levels of HE damage, questionable AP pen, high detection, and less than desirable handling, I just can't see myself liking this ship.  I know it probably is the worst German DD, but at the same time I assume that it is the introduction the mid-high tier German DD's.  Yes, I know you get Hydro with the Gaede along with the option for 150mm guns instead of standard DD guns, but that just doesn't seem interesting.  I played the DD's a little bit on PTS and while they weren't bordline OP like the Benson or Fletcher were, I just didn't have fun.

 

With the US DD it's generally easy to have fun as it is very easy to do lots of damage and contest caps and do the whole close quarters fighting thing.  With VMF DD's it's fun to kite and burn people down from a distance while outrunning everything and when the occasion rises, it's fun to dump AP into broadside BB's.  Personally IJN DD's aren't necessarily fun, at least the Yugumo isn't for me, but you have a decent amount of flexibility that revolves around your torps and concealment.  You can torp fairly successfully and stealth fire along with spot any other ship without being detected yourself, which is a fair amount of things.  You aren't pigeon-holed into one thing like you are with the VMF DD's which is nice, in all realities, the Yugumo isn't fun to me because the Fletcher just does everything better.  With the German DD's I don't have that.  On PTS with the high tier DD's, it was like I was a wanna-be DD of every other nation.  

 

It just feels like there is so much locked potential.  

 

I mean does the line become "fun"?  Or rather what is the appeal of German DD's aside from them being German and having Hydro?

[snowshrederr]

I found the T-22 to be great fun and I don't know why. I played sorta a half-torp boat half gunboat type thing. not sure what it was but it was fun and the Gaede is even more fun for some reason.

[Mizzerys_Fate]

I ground to just about halfway to Gaede and free experience out......

Halfway through Gaede and realized not fun...

Don't get me wrong here, not having a 16× commander mentioned using 150mm guns. Having fun, but short range sucks. 

I just sold her to free up cash for udaloi..

I will by her back in a couple of months....

But I see no fun in her like the other 3 lines...

And I hate WORKING in a dd, when I play those I just wanted to to have fun.

[ckupf]

T22 was a ship that I found to be about 8/10 on a fun scale but only 4/10 on a quality scale. If you are not enjoying the German DD meta then you might want to call it, you do get hydro at T6, but overall the line has the same feel through the next couple tiers at least.

[chaoqwe]

Really? I can understand why people hate T22 bcuz I hated it when I was in it. But, it's the first german DD I've played (skipped previous ones), so I didn't know what was going on with this tech line.

 

Gaede is so much fun for me. It has guns that can fight Farragut, torps that are both fast reload and fast speed. (And you can stealth torp, despite having a pretty large detection range)

 

And you have hydro, that alone can bring death to a lot other DDs while protecting yourself.

 

The smoke is a joke, but I can see why.

 

AP on german DD in general can pen a lot stuff. I'm pretty sure I've done 3k3 salvo on BBs (even NC/Amagi/Bis)with those 4 shells. Generally ~2k, if you know how to shoot.

Those AP shells can cit hit a lot CA/CL, I've once deleted a Nurnberg with 4 salvos. And it can cit Myoko for sure.

[Camo68]

I liked the T22, once you get the torps working for you and minimise using guns in the open you are laughing!

 

I fully upgrade my ships with free XP so I only played 9 games in it to upgrade to the Gaede

[_Rumple_]

The tier 4 german DD is immensely fun to play. It's like a slightly weaker IJN torp boat akin to fujin and kamikaze. It's got 2 single fire torps that fire frontally, meaning you can surprise enemy DD's that are not expecting this or use them as initial torp salvoes from an ambush around an island. If you skipped this one, you did yourself a dis-service. It's a hoot to play. Definate keeper.

[BrentD15]

The T-22 is one of those that I found to be frustrating, especially without the upgraded torpedoes.

I hope the Ernst Gaede is better (especially with those 150mm cannons).

[Estimated_Prophet]

Did well enough in T-22. If anything I thought the ship was just too boxy and generally boring to look at.

 

Like Gaede better, especially with the 150mms, but not so much I'm in a hurry to play it and reach Lebe.

[Crucis]

I haven't had the T22 long, but I'm finding it underwhelming.  The typically weak German HE makes any DD vs DD gun duel terribly difficult because you just don't do damage fast enough.  (And their AP just overpens for low damage.)  I've even had trouble in gunfights against IJN DD's.  It's very frustrating because I found the tier 4 German DD fairly fun to play.  I hope that this isn't a sign of things to come.

 

 

 

[Furysghost]

Dose guns tho...ughhhhh.

 

Guns are completely useless, 7 km of concealment without CE with 7.5km top torps.

Its fugly....

[Gnarspall]

T22 was painful as Karl.

 

Gaede with 150's is like a breath of air after being held under water for 3 minutes.

[AhosChaos]

Since I've made this post I've played about 3 games in the T-22 so it has been very slow going.  There are nice things about the ship like how its turrets turn 360 degrees or how its AA is decent enough for a tier 5 DD, but I just can't get used to the fact about its short smoke.

 

Also call me crazy, but this DD is super inaccurate.  Comparing it to the Kami R or really any of my high tier DD's, its shots just go spread out.  It really feels like the DD version of the Wyoming in terms of accuracy.

 

I will say, with the upgraded hull, it at least feels a little better, but it just isn't enjoyable.

[Jhered_Stern]

Each line has its own play style. In my experience I have not found one line to be better than the other. That said, I am not like most players and looking for a quick ship with a quick and ungodly DPS, Stealth or what ever. Each DD line plays a different role. I have found the Germans to be excellent at ambushing, and support, but not very competitive in skirmishes. If you are a skirmisher then try the American and Russian DD line. But in all honesty, none of the DD lines have the same role. I have had the best results in teh T22 in an ambush role. I usually get 2-3 kills per match and I do not let Russian or American DD's sneak up on me. But then again I started on the IJN line and Ninja tactics are my specialty.

[Zerstein]

word of advice from someone who is playing the t10 Z-52, go level soviet destroyers, with torps being in such a poor state currently with all the insane amounts of spotting mechanics for them, the one thing (your torps) which is supposed to make you a "good" destroyer just means you are a destroyer with the worst HE guns in the game, with the turning radius of a cruiser and the ability to be fully penetrated thanks to the fact german dds are just wide enough to be. I have every t10 german ship unlocked but until this line is looked at i GUARANTEE this line is not worth it if you are trying to get to higher tiers. (oh and not to mention the fact you have a spotting distance of 14.5 Km when you fire your worst guns in the game have fun trying to hide)

[Espinoza75]

I do like the torpedoes though. The 1.3km detect feels like real torpedoes.  Normally I play IJN and have to saturate the area to get hits. Watching ships collide trying to avoid the torpedoes is rather funny.

The stealth window feels like a Fujin, only tighter, so islands are my best friends.  

[Defiler_of_Reds]

Well after all the nerfs it's better than Japanese and Russian tier 5s. I've just finished retraining my 10 point captain and now it is a keeper along with the unrefitted Nickolas,

[AhosChaos]

Finally finished the grind, and it was miserable.  With abysmal shell speed, nonexistent HE damage, poor range, terrible throttle response, lackluster detection, bad turret placement, and depressingly bad accuracy, I hate this ship.  I seriously hope the the Gaede is better because this grind was far worse than my grind with the stock CO and honestly even worse than original stock Nagato.  This ship has so little going for it in fighting DDs, your HE is garbage and AP will bounce or overpen depending on if the DD is angled or broadside, miserable against CL's, your AP just shatters on broadsides and HE damage is tragic, and against BB's you have to hope and pray that they have no brain and sail straight and broadside.  Even then, your AP will do nothing because BB superstructure can ricochet it and the poor arcs give it bad penetrating angles, and 400 damage HE pens do very little.

 

Honestly this ship really needs to be reevaluated.  Can it be used?  Yes, but you have to be going against the stupidest people and have the best MM.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

So glad I just finished my time in this DD.

 

Stealthy?  No.

Good gunpower?  No.

Torpedoes were average.

Handling?  Nothing special.

German DD smoke is half pointless.

You still don't have German DD Hydro.

 

What is T-22 good for?  After finishing my time with her... Nothing.  I only hope Ernst Gaede is worthwhile.

[hanesco]

It looks like they balanced T-22 for having IFHE. It's a total MUST to have IFHE on T-22 to perform decently, which is bollocks!, how the hell do they plan to have 2 tier 4 skills (CE and IFHE) at tier 5, and noone has the patience to keep T-22 and get 2 tier 4 skills to see how it performs. If someone can do that experiment in public testes, it will help.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

It looks like they balanced T-22 for having IFHE. It's a total MUST to have IFHE on T-22 to perform decently, which is bollocks!, how the hell do they plan to have 2 tier 4 skills (CE and IFHE) at tier 5, and noone has the patience to keep T-22 and get 2 tier 4 skills to see how it performs. If someone can do that experiment in public testes, it will help.

 

For the same reasons Tier III Russian Cruiser Bogatyr does not shine for a new Russian line player.  Bogatyr only shines when you have her upgraded to smaller 130mm guns and stuff in a captain with BFT+AFT+DE.  A player trying Russian ships for the first time will not have any of that at Tier III.

 

Give Bogatyr those traits and its 130mm guns and she dominates Tier III and can make anything cry, even Battleships.  Not saying T-22 with IFHE would be like that, but I'm not giving her a try with that setup.

[NTRabbit]

It's not an understatement to say that the T-22 is the worst tier 5 ship i the game, of any class

[BossmanSlim]

It's not an understatement to say that the T-22 is the worst tier 5 ship i the game, of any class

 

I concur with this.  It has no redeeming features from what I have seen while playing it.  I guess I'll suck it up and play it as a torp boat when I get bored and play German DDs.

[AVR_Project]

Last night, I got back to working the German DDs.  I ground the T4 DD captain to the next point..   Man.. I REALLY love the T4 boat - it's a keeper - even battling T6.

Then I ground the T-22...   OK .. this sucks.  Pulled the camo and flags.

It's now a Co-Op crawler I can pull out for brainless slow grinding.  Random doesn't help if I'm either losing, or winning at the bottom.  If I waste anything on this, it'll be to free XP to tier 6.

I'm getting killed by bot Karlsrues..   Arrrrgggghhhh !!!

[SireneRacker]

What I see in T22 compared to the T4 ship (forgot the number, silly me) is that you finally get usable Torps. Six Torpedoes in a broadside wuth decent speed allows for some good Stealth Torping. She is no Kamikaze R but she gets close. And the guns, while being useless on long ranges, are good for knife fighting due to their 360° turning radius.