IJN Mogami-- Redux Gloria

[Stauffenberg44]

I sold the Mogami ages ago in a moment of pique re the guns, but more likely my abysmal WR playing her. I just fitted her out again and fought a first battle: wait, could this be a "good omen" in actually coming in first place in my first battle in the fragile beast? I was chuffed:

 

 

Spoiler

 

In any event I'm set to again grind the Ibuki and Zao and would appreciate the latest insights on the 155 vs 203mm conundrum (the above battle was with the 155s). And how to more effectively play the old girl. Surely some more recently acquired experience playing glass-jawed British cruisers should help? Not to mention the Russian CAs as well--both un-played when I first had the Mogami.

[GhostSwordsman]

That's an extremely good battle, especially considering it was a T10 game. Well done.

 

I free exp'd the 155mm guns on Mogami. I just personally don't like 6in guns, and with the added fact that the 155s traversed slower than BB guns with EM, I didn't even want to try.(don't like 6in guns, but they're okay if the turrets traverse quickly, otherwise, I wouldn't have had so much fun playing USN DDs)

 

Therefore, I can only speak on the 203mm guns. And they're good. They traverse faster than Myoko(it's the same traverse rate as Furutaka C hull, Atago, and Ibuki*), have better firing arcs over Myoko and Atago, and offer the same performance as the previous cruisers in the tree. If you liked Furutaka C, Aoba, and Myoko, then 203mm Mogami should feel extremely comfortable. On top of that, Mogami has a better turning radii than Atago or Myoko, the rudder shift is the same as Myoko, so it feels more nimble than the previous tier and her premium tier counterpart. Overall, I prefer the 203s, even without the bias I have against 6in guns, so I'd suggest going with the 203s. One note though, be careful when kiting in Mogami, her stern is very soft and you'll get cit-penned by battleships often if you're caught while moving away(her thinner deck armor in comparison to Atago doesn't help either).

 

 

* WG recently buffed Ibuki's turret traverse rate, so it's now on par with Atago, 203mm Mogami, and Furutaka C hull, rather than being the same as Aoba and Myoko. So the transition from 203mm Mogami to Ibuki should be/feel seamless.

[centarina]

majority of t8 matches are going to be t10 now. I am grinding mogami and it isn't horrid.  you have to be aware if surrounding and careful,  155 can do lot of dmg, but they are not as good as chapayev.   with IFHE, I will have to reset my captain ifI move up. not sure if I will move to ibuki or not though. 

[Stauffenberg44]

That's an extremely good battle, especially considering it was a T10 game. Well done.

 

I free exp'd the 155mm guns on Mogami. I just personally don't like 6in guns, and with the added fact that the 155s traversed slower than BB guns with EM, I didn't even want to try.(don't like 6in guns, but they're okay if the turrets traverse quickly, otherwise, I wouldn't have had so much fun playing USN DDs)

 

Therefore, I can only speak on the 203mm guns. And they're good. They traverse faster than Myoko(it's the same traverse rate as Furutaka C hull, Atago, and Ibuki*), have better firing arcs over Myoko and Atago, and offer the same performance as the previous cruisers in the tree. If you liked Furutaka C, Aoba, and Myoko, then 203mm Mogami should feel extremely comfortable. On top of that, Mogami has a better turning radii than Atago or Myoko, the rudder shift is the same as Myoko, so it feels more nimble than the previous tier and her premium tier counterpart. Overall, I prefer the 203s, even without the bias I have against 6in guns, so I'd suggest going with the 203s. One note though, be careful when kiting in Mogami, her stern is very soft and you'll get cit-penned by battleships often if you're caught while moving away(her thinner deck armor in comparison to Atago doesn't help either).

 

 

* WG recently buffed Ibuki's turret traverse rate, so it's now on par with Atago, 203mm Mogami, and Furutaka C hull, rather than being the same as Aoba and Myoko. So the transition from 203mm Mogami to Ibuki should be/feel seamless.

 

That's a fine response thank you. Yes the turret traverse was really bad and I changed an upgrade to improve it for next battle. I'll also try out the 203's soon to get a feel for the difference. The battle above I played much as I would in the T9 British Neptune or Russian Kutuzov or Donskoi, all with enhanced steering boosts-- Fire a few salvos from range and dart our of view preferably in a crowd, then rinse and repeat. The 155 Mogami battle above was all with HE only as I was going after a mission task to get an Arsonist. I didn't get it but came close I am sure.

 

Thanks again for the info.

[Stauffenberg44]

majority of t8 matches are going to be t10 now. I am grinding mogami and it isn't horrid.  you have to be aware if surrounding and careful,  155 can do lot of dmg, but they are not as good as chapayev.   with IFHE, I will have to reset my captain ifI move up. not sure if I will move to ibuki or not though. 

 

Agree--Chapayev is a unique beastie to be sure. Totally a keeper in my fleet.

[Balck_]

Toying with the idea of getting her back again.  I bought her for the first time just after the 155's got nerfed to oblivion and the Kutuzov was ever present.  Th 43% WR seriously put me off.  A shame, enjoyed the trip through all of the IJN cruisers up to that point.  Maybe I'll give her another shot, gotta get to the Zao sooner or later.

[Stauffenberg44]

Toying with the idea of getting her back again.  I bought her for the first time just after the 155's got nerfed to oblivion and the Kutuzov was ever present.  Th 43% WR seriously put me off.  A shame, enjoyed the trip through all of the IJN cruisers up to that point.  Maybe I'll give her another shot, gotta get to the Zao sooner or later.

 

Those were exactly my thoughts (and I also had a god-awful WR) and I am glad I did as she has a different feel this time around. I took Ghost's advice and tried the 203s and like them although I don't yet have a favourite as I did really well with the 155s setting fires and killing DDs. Finally getting the Zao is a fine goal as that is one beautiful cruiser.

[Stauffenberg44]

Here's another Mogami 1st place in a Tier X battle result. I am liking her much better this time around. This also indicates how a Mission success can add some sweetness to that sour taste of a defeat:

 

 

 

 

[Balck_]

Bit the bullet and got her back.  So far, the WR is inching up.  From 30% to 43% so I'm doing better in that regard.  

 

Is it just me or does this ship feel very defensive in its play style?  The glacial turret traverse, sluggish rudder, acceleration and speed make me unhappy.  I'm using the A-hull for the 155s but it plays like a New Mexico when it comes to maneuverability.  I'm thinking I should swap the rudder module for the acceleration module because she's better at poking around cover and blazing people than juking in open water.  The turret traverse just doesn't work with the latter.  

 

Thoughts?  1/3 of the way to Ibuki so there's that.  Though I hear Ibuki, just llike Izumo, is painful.  A right of passage to the Zao.

[Stauffenberg44]

Bit the bullet and got her back.  So far, the WR is inching up.  From 30% to 43% so I'm doing better in that regard.  

 

Is it just me or does this ship feel very defensive in its play style?  The glacial turret traverse, sluggish rudder, acceleration and speed make me unhappy.  I'm using the A-hull for the 155s but it plays like a New Mexico when it comes to maneuverability.  I'm thinking I should swap the rudder module for the acceleration module because she's better at poking around cover and blazing people than juking in open water.  The turret traverse just doesn't work with the latter.  

 

Thoughts?  1/3 of the way to Ibuki so there's that.  Though I hear Ibuki, just llike Izumo, is painful.  A right of passage to the Zao.

 

I agree on that. She's a support ship and needs to stay out of sight or in a crowd of friendlies--hit various targets and get out of sight or range. With a 14-pt captain I have the visibility down to 9.3 km and 20% chance of fires, also use expert loader and adrenaline rush. Lighting up a BB until they hit repair, then burning it end to end is my basic tactic, that and killing DDs.

 

I haven't read up on the Ibuki but the Zao is definitely the goal.

[centarina]

155mm mogami was alright, but I seem to do better with Ibuki and takao.    I think 200mm is also gun to hit with.

[Balck_]

155mm mogami was alright, but I seem to do better with Ibuki and takao.    I think 200mm is also gun to hit with.

 

I have Atago and prefer it to the Mogami for sure (DUH!).  Atago can deal with taking damage far better than Mogami.  Worse still, Mogami can't actively use her rear turrets because you show too much side if you bring them to bear.  Thus, 155's are better as it give you 9 fast firing hard hitting guns over 6 slower firing guns.  The DPM potential just isn't there with the 203's in the Mogami.  I wish you could use the last hull with the 155's as that hull makes the ship less sluggish.

 

I agree on that. She's a support ship and needs to stay out of sight or in a crowd of friendlies--hit various targets and get out of sight or range. With a 14-pt captain I have the visibility down to 9.3 km and 20% chance of fires, also use expert loader and adrenaline rush. Lighting up a BB until they hit repair, then burning it end to end is my basic tactic, that and killing DDs.

 

I haven't read up on the Ibuki but the Zao is definitely the goal.

 

Yup, I have the same captain skills.  She's good when she's in the right spot.  Getting there can be the tricky part  Certainly not keeping the Mogami however, that captain's going right up to the Zao.  

[Stauffenberg44]

 

I have Atago and prefer it to the Mogami for sure (DUH!).  Atago can deal with taking damage far better than Mogami.  Worse still, Mogami can't actively use her rear turrets because you show too much side if you bring them to bear.  Thus, 155's are better as it give you 9 fast firing hard hitting guns over 6 slower firing guns.  The DPM potential just isn't there with the 203's in the Mogami.  I wish you could use the last hull with the 155's as that hull makes the ship less sluggish.

 

Yup, I have the same captain skills.  She's good when she's in the right spot.  Getting there can be the tricky part  Certainly not keeping the Mogami however, that captain's going right up to the Zao.  

Getting the Atago was one of my reasons to sell the Mogami, that and a most spectacular fail WR of 33% over 27 battles... I couldnt get rid of it fast enough.

I'm giving her another chance as I said and so far so good. I'll likely move Cpt Suzuki up the the Zao as well as he is really not happy getting his old boat back. ;)

[Balck_]

Getting the Atago was one of my reasons to sell the Mogami, that and a most spectacular fail WR of 33% over 27 battles... I couldnt get rid of it fast enough.

I'm giving her another chance as I said and so far so good. I'll likely move Cpt Suzuki up the the Zao as well as he is really not happy getting his old boat back. ;)

Dude....  I was at the same WR with Mogami until I bought her back.  Couldn't make her work for the life of me.  Moved on to the Germ BB's back then.  If I can sell her with a 51% WR I'd be pleased indeed.

[Balck_]

Got her over 51% WR then sold her to make room for Ibuki.  Felt a little bad because I finally was able to make the Mogami sing but lawdy the Ibuki is so much better!

[Stauffenberg44]

Balck my experience is the exact reverse. My WR in the *new* Mogami increased so dramatically I decided to keep her when I got the Ibuki, and so far the Ibuki as had a string of 6 losses, even with all the modules upgraded and a 12-pt captain (gun range 19.2 km, detectability at 9.7 km); but I am going to attribute that to weekend bad luck with potato teams (of course!). When I finally get the DE I'll rain down fire and brimstone on every BB in range.

[King_Gooby]

So my experience so far in the Mogami has been that the 203s perform much better, at least for me. The extra damage, faster turret traverse and increased fire chance has significantly improved my overall performance and gameplay. I was dreading the mogami grind with the 155s but the 203s are so much better IMO. 

[Delta7Xx]

155s with inertia fuse shells... I haven't unlocked the 203s yet, and while I didn't mind the 203s on the previous ships, I'm having too much damn fun with the 155s to be in any rush to.

 

Sure, I still struggle to pen battleships, but the ridiculous volume of fire i can put out against anything without battleship grade armor allows me to do horrendous damage to enemy cruisers within a very short amount of time... I'm talking 4-6k damage salvos every 10 seconds.

[Stauffenberg44]

155s with inertia fuse shells... I haven't unlocked the 203s yet, and while I didn't mind the 203s on the previous ships, I'm having too much damn fun with the 155s to be in any rush to.

 

Sure, I still struggle to pen battleships, but the ridiculous volume of fire i can put out against anything without battleship grade armor allows me to do horrendous damage to enemy cruisers within a very short amount of time... I'm talking 4-6k damage salvos every 10 seconds.

 

That's got me interested in trying the 155s again.

 

As it is, when I rebought the Mogami my atrocious WR from my initial experience of some 28 battles was 33%. After around 10 days now I am up to 41% and climbing with some stellar battles using the 203s.

[LadyJess]

Wow a very nice game you had there in the Mogami.

[Balck_]

She's getting her mojo back according to early notes on 0.6.4

 

May have to buy her back now :p

[WidochMeirker]

I'm in the process of grinding through this ship.  I can't really say I'm playing the ship because with the match maker the way it is, it's simply a grind rather than entertainment.  I suffered through the 155s long enough to get the exp I needed to upgrade them.  Get rid of them as soon as you can. Unless you're destroyer hunting, the 155s are basically useless.  You if you're shooting any T8 and higher ship cruiser and up, they just giggle at you and blow you out of the water.  The 155s just don't pack enough of a punch and if you get close enough to actually damage something, you're citadelled left and right. I had a game last night in which I was chasing a T9 Donskoi as it was the last ship on the enemy team and there were 3 of us left.  He had his bow pointed to me the whole time, and I was lobbing HE 155s from a range of between 12 - 14km give or take.  I hit him 42 times and did less than 10k damage.  I started with 80% health to his 50% health.  I lost badly.

 

After that game I moved up to the 203s and it was a world of difference.  I went from being a non-factor on my team to actually being able to do some damage to things.  With the change in stealth mechanics, the Mogami is still basically the worst T8 destroyer now because of the range issues, but the grind is a little less painful.

[EvelAye]

I sold the Mogami ages ago in a moment of pique re the guns, but more likely my abysmal WR playing her. I just fitted her out again and fought a first battle: wait, could this be a "good omen" in actually coming in first place in my first battle in the fragile beast? I was chuffed:

 

 

Spoiler

 

In any event I'm set to again grind the Ibuki and Zao and would appreciate the latest insights on the 155 vs 203mm conundrum (the above battle was with the 155s). And how to more effectively play the old girl. Surely some more recently acquired experience playing glass-jawed British cruisers should help? Not to mention the Russian CAs as well--both un-played when I first had the Mogami.

 

Great time to pick her back up. She's getting a turret traverse buff down to 31.6 seconds (with the right skill setup) to the 155's in the next patch. This is on par with the legendary Mogami of old from what I understand, but that was before my time. Being able to turn and keep the guns on target will be a major improvement.