What happens after stock Fuso BB, Colorado BB and New Mexico BB hull is removed

[Mr_Alex]

We know that New Mexico, Fuso and Colorado BB are indeed losing their stock hull my question is how many here will buy them if they comeback as downtiered premiums, my bet is sometime in the future Colorado BB's stock hull will come back as a downtiered premium 6 ship under another name West Virginia or Maryland, Fuso's stock hull coming back as a downtiered premium tier 5 ship under the name Yamashiro and New Mexico's stock hull coming back as a downtiered premium tier 5 ship under the name Idaho or Mississipi. How many players here would buy it?

 

Also these ships just mentioned have already lost their stock hulls in the Public Test

 

– Fuso: Hull A removed, hulls B and C becomes Hull A and Hull B, Gun [356mm/45 43rd Year Type] no longer used, stock firing range increased to 19.8km, new Hull A has worse stats in HP, AA and rudder

-New Mexico: Hull A removed, Hull B and C becomes Hull A and B , Gun [356mm/50 Mk. 4] no longer used, new Hull A has worse stats like Fuso’s Hull A

-Colorado: Hull A removed, Hull B and C becomes Hull A and B, Gun [406mm/45 Mk.1] no longer used, new Hull A situation same as above

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/03/01/wows-various-changes-in-wows-0-6-2-pt/

[waffles1945]

No one will buy a stock Colorado. An astounding 6dps for AA is way too op for tier 7

[Gomez_Adams]

It'll just save folks some XP and credits by removing a hull in the tech tree.

 

I wish they had done it BEFORE I did both the Fuso and Colorado. I'd be a whole lot further along to the North Carolina if they had. (Already have the Nagato.)

[lron_Dog_of_Jutland]

I would definitely buy a T5 dreadnought Fuso and a T7 dreadnought Amagi Battlecruiser!!!

 

Wouldn't buy US BBs as I find them mostly boring - apart from hilarious OP Arizona which I already own.

[Seraphil]

Huh, they buffed the Fuso's gun range to the proper 19.8km.  Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

[Gomez_Adams]

Huh, they buffed the Fuso's gun range to the proper 19.8km.  Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

 

It's been that the entire time I played it, and that goes back months. Thank God I'm on to the Nagato and sold that ship. Don't get me wrong, the Fuso is a great ship, but I simply couldn't win with it no matter what I did. It's cursed.

[Azumazi]

 

It's been that the entire time I played it, and that goes back months. Thank God I'm on to the Nagato and sold that ship. Don't get me wrong, the Fuso is a great ship, but I simply couldn't win with it no matter what I did. It's cursed.

 

God, you sound like me but with the Aoba.

 

I at least did well in the Fuso, the Aoba, every time up tiered and every time bow citadeled by 16'' guns. It truly was infuriating because couldn't catch a break. That whole stock range on the base hull was so stupid too on the Fuso, considering what you had stock on the Kongo.

[Gomez_Adams]

 

God, you sound like me but with the Aoba.

 

I at least did well in the Fuso, the Aoba, every time up tiered and every time bow citadeled by 16'' guns. It truly was infuriating because couldn't catch a break. That whole stock range on the base hull was so stupid too on the Fuso, considering what you had stock on the Kongo.

 

LOL!

 

Oddly, I actually play WORSE in the Aoba, but win more with it than I ever did the Fuso.

 

In the Fuso, pretty much every stat I have is above average. Damage, kills, etc. and had a 1029 rating in it.  Yet after 47 games in it I only managed a 34% win rate in it. That's it.

 

In the Aoba on the other hand, I'm below average on pretty much everything, had a 980 rating in it, and won 49% of the time.

 

This game is laughable when it comes to things like that: stink up the joint you win. Play above average constantly and lose.

[Royeaux]

The biggest problem with this idea is that those tiers face unfavorable matchmaking.  There's almost no advantage converting a Fuso to tier 5 except for those rare matches where you face tier 4, but since that's so uncommon, I can't see anyone playing money to play punching bag for tier 7s.  The only ship I know that plays differently in a positive way is stock Mogami, which would work because tier 7 is the gold tier and wouldn't have to put up with all those tier Xs.

[Gomez_Adams]

The biggest problem with this idea is that those tiers face unfavorable matchmaking.  There's almost no advantage converting a Fuso to tier 5 except for those rare matches where you face tier 4, but since that's so uncommon, I can't see anyone playing money to play punching bag for tier 7s.

 

They told me the same thing when I asked about buying the Texas. I was told it was awful with the new MM, that it didn't stand a chance, that I'd get constantly clubbed in it by T7's, blah, blah, blah.

 

I win it in more than any other ship...and I do it with relative ease.

[Royeaux]

 

They told me the same thing when I asked about buying the Texas. I was told it was awful with the new MM, that it didn't stand a chance, that I'd get constantly clubbed in it by T7's, blah, blah, blah.

 

I win it in more than any other ship...and I do it with relative ease.

 

But are you really influencing the game with it?  Or is it just lucky underwear?

[Gomez_Adams]

But are you really influencing the game with it?  Or is it just lucky underwear?

 

Does it matter?

 

Because if it does, that shoots down the concept that any skill in this game exist. Instantly.

[Royeaux]

 

Does it matter?

 

Because if it does, that shoots down the concept that any skill in this game exist. Instantly.

 

Well sure, I've helmed ships that won a lot, despite not doing much in the round.  It's not really fun and I know it's just luck that gave me the daily bonus.  It's those ships that you lose in, but have amazing games in that are really fun.

[AVR_Project]

 

Does it matter?

 

Because if it does, that shoots down the concept that any skill in this game exist. Instantly.

 

Skill comes into play when you have really crappy RNG and the other team is stupid.

Your shots to their broadside just scratch their paint.  Long distance salvoes never hit anything - or bounce.  Torpedoes somehow miss at suicide range...

Meanwhile, every hit from them takes 1/4th of your health, and your team melts away in 15 seconds.

But if they don't cap, and if you hide and knife-fight them at zero dispersion range...  you have a good chance at winning.

[Gomez_Adams]

Nearly every single stat I have in the Texas is above average. My win rate is right at 63%.

Nearly every single stat I have in the Fuso is above average. My wine rate is right at 34%.

 

Nearly every single stat I have in the Aoba is below average. My win rate is right at 49%.

 

Skill has absolutely ZERO bearing on this game in my personal experience.

[Azumazi]

Nearly every single stat I have in the Texas is above average. My win rate is right at 63%.

 

Nearly every single stat I have in the Fuso is above average. My wine rate is right at 34%.

 

Nearly every single stat I have in the Aoba is below average. My win rate is right at 49%.

 

Skill has absolutely ZERO bearing on this game in my personal experience.

 

In my opinion, some ships are just like in WoT, carry vehicles.

 

My Texas, 38% w/r. It just isn't a carry ship since the German BB's got dropped.

 

My Konig on the other hand. Omfg that's the defacto ultimate Tier 5 BB hands down. I have a 72.73% WR in it with 58226 average damage in it with a 64% survival rate and I'm always in close quarters with that ship. It literally can carry a team with ease and I do so regularly when I take it out once in a while.

 

The problem with Texas is the lack of armor, or the fact it's lower citadel/torpedo bulkhead is sitting above the waterline (New york for that matter too) which means in a brawl if you're caught at a bad angle they can hit at waterline and citadel you without issue where as you vs a Kongo or Konig cannot do the same in return so easily. The main thing going for the Texas is the AA Gimick, and that's only good if there are CV's in the match and get near you. I love it when I do see a poor tier 4/5 CV and chew those planes up but that's rare.

 

The Kongo is also a capable carry ship. I just wish I had learned to properly use it before the end of it when I learned to stop trying to snipe and get mid range where it excels with that armor layout at high angles. The 3 inches of frontal belt armor also makes it more difficult for someone to bow citadel/pen you and gives you an advantage against enemy New York/Texas. Honestly I don't think the US will be able to carry at tier 5 effectively with a BB until Nevada drops in the other BB line giving them a ship that can brawl like a beast along side Konig.

[Axonn]

I would buy all of them mainly bcuz I'm a ship collector after all. "I like to collect'em all", get it?... 

 

[Gohibniu]

Huh, they buffed the Fuso's gun range to the proper 19.8km.  Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

Holy hole-in-a-doughnut! 

[Seraphil]

 

It's been that the entire time I played it, and that goes back months. Thank God I'm on to the Nagato and sold that ship. Don't get me wrong, the Fuso is a great ship, but I simply couldn't win with it no matter what I did. It's cursed.

 

I'm referring to the stock hull as mentioned in the first post.

[lron_Dog_of_Jutland]

 

In my opinion, some ships are just like in WoT, carry vehicles.

 

My Texas, 38% w/r. It just isn't a carry ship since the German BB's got dropped.

 

My Konig on the other hand. Omfg that's the defacto ultimate Tier 5 BB hands down. I have a 72.73% WR in it with 58226 average damage in it with a 64% survival rate and I'm always in close quarters with that ship. It literally can carry a team with ease and I do so regularly when I take it out once in a while.

 

The problem with Texas is the lack of armor, or the fact it's lower citadel/torpedo bulkhead is sitting above the waterline (New york for that matter too) which means in a brawl if you're caught at a bad angle they can hit at waterline and citadel you without issue where as you vs a Kongo or Konig cannot do the same in return so easily. The main thing going for the Texas is the AA Gimick, and that's only good if there are CV's in the match and get near you. I love it when I do see a poor tier 4/5 CV and chew those planes up but that's rare.

 

The Kongo is also a capable carry ship. I just wish I had learned to properly use it before the end of it when I learned to stop trying to snipe and get mid range where it excels with that armor layout at high angles. The 3 inches of frontal belt armor also makes it more difficult for someone to bow citadel/pen you and gives you an advantage against enemy New York/Texas. Honestly I don't think the US will be able to carry at tier 5 effectively with a BB until Nevada drops in the other BB line giving them a ship that can brawl like a beast along side Konig.

 

Having a 59k average in Koenig but doing similar in Kongo. T5 is just a very sweet spot for BBs. Strong but different ships :-)

[Mr_Alex]

Another thing has this been thought out, the Downtiering and reselling of stock hulls as premium will lead to one thing, I know for a fact the IJN Fans want Yamashiro BB in her final configuration before she sank at the Battle of Leyte Gulf and also USN fans want the West Virginia BB in her post Pearl Harbor attack rebuild where she was given a South Dakota style BB superstructure will prevent that from happening 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Another thing has this been thought out, the Downtiering and reselling of stock hulls as premium will lead to one thing, I know for a fact the IJN Fans want Yamashiro BB in her final configuration before she sank at the Battle of Leyte Gulf and also USN fans want the West Virginia BB in her post Pearl Harbor attack rebuild where she was given a South Dakota style BB superstructure will prevent that from happening 

 

The "Stock Premium Amagi" I think will actually turn out pretty good.  Stock Amagi had 10 410mm gun count, still good accuracy.  She's going to be fast at 30kts, which is awesome at Tier VII.  She should still have good TDS, going down to 43% from 45% of Hull-B Amagi.  Stock Amagi still had considerable Secondaries Battery.  AA however is going to be mediocre unless significant player build focusing changes that.

 

IMO, "Stock Premium Amagi" is going to be very good sitting at Tier VII and will be a problem for Ze Germans.

Fast that Ze Germans can't easily catch her

10 410mm guns, "Amagi Accuracy"

Very respectable Main Battery Range

 

That's a pretty good package.

 

She's be another great example of "Battlecruiser."  Armor I believe will be terrible, the same way Mutsu's at Tier VI sucks.

[El_Judarino]

As others have said, there is nothing that can be done to make a tier 5 Fuso a palatable purchase. Likewise, stock Colorado or New Mexico with torpedoes and rocket boosters are still no-goes.

 

I'm a dedicated collector (have everything offered since release except the limas, green kamikaze and katori) and I wouldn't touch any of those three.

 

I bought Mutsu partly out of curiosity and partly to show some demand for IJN prems.... I *might* go for Ashitaka.

 

I'd be on Oklahoma or California in a red hot minute (or a Florida or Delaware) and I think the WW2 era IJN ships are lovely, I bought Prinz Eugen and am pleased to have it alongside my Hipper but this  stock hull refurbishment is stupid and should probably stop.

[Fletcher7_1944]

 

God, you sound like me but with the Aoba.

 

I at least did well in the Fuso, the Aoba, every time up tiered and every time bow citadeled by 16'' guns. It truly was infuriating because couldn't catch a break. That whole stock range on the base hull was so stupid too on the Fuso, considering what you had stock on the Kongo.

 Heh- I had the same luck with Kongo.  Everyone raves and raves about it- I couldn't do squat with it...  Otoh, "everyone" hates the New York- and I love it.

 

  Aoba often gives me fits- mainly due to the tier 6 MM.  I can do great things with it- then THOSE games come along...  I've also found that ships like Aoba, that are truly committed to going bow on, tend to suffer vs enemies(esp bots, with their epic dodge skills) that charge aggressively, then drop torps.   Twin turret dispersion, and only 4 forward facing guns makes it difficult to do enough damage fast enough to prevent them from getting too close.  Poor/sluggish turning makes avoiding close in torpedo drops very difficult, too.   Thus my progress has been slow- it gets too frustrating after a few matches of being the only tier 6 in a tier 8 match.  I like the ship, but man...

 

  I think the IJN tech tree just doesn't like me, lol!   (heck- I ground through Nurnberg AFTER the MM change, and loved/did well in it)

[Happy668]

should we sell hull A's of these ships? I think the credit will still be given to us since we still own B and C hulls, right?