707 Sink_Stuff Beta Testers 1,971 posts 13,729 battles Report post #1 Posted March 1, 2017 Armored Patrol is reporting that many Russian DD's will get an HE damage buff in the next patch. However, they don't mention if the Leningrad will get this buff, but instead every other DD except the Leningrad. Is this true? If so, why? How can the Leningrad compete against the same tier Russian dd's if it does not get the same buff that the others get? It already has poor gun traverse and fire angles and less guns. You would think that the Leningrad would get even MORE buffs if the other Russian DD's get them because it needs the guns buffs the most? Am I wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,716 [-K-] Lord_Zath Supertest Coordinator, Alpha Tester, WoWS Community Contributors, Wiki Editor 6,567 posts 28,823 battles Report post #2 Posted March 1, 2017 Wait for the official patch notes to be posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
284 [JKSDF] Battleship_Dunkerque Members 858 posts 1,811 battles Report post #3 Posted March 1, 2017 The Leningod already has actually usable (i.e. non-suicidal) torps as "compensation". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
707 Sink_Stuff Beta Testers 1,971 posts 13,729 battles Report post #4 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) The Leningod already has actually usable (i.e. non-suicidal) torps as "compensation". Yes but that compensation was BEFORE every other Russian DD was determined to be lacking in the gun category. How on earth can they buff all the other Russian DD's and not the Leningrad when the Leningrad already has the most nurfed guns of the entire Russian line? Edited March 1, 2017 by Rounne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
30 snowshrederr Members 171 posts 3,883 battles Report post #5 Posted March 1, 2017 Leningrad is one of the Prem's that don't need a buff. there are ships that need it way more but won't get it because WG doesn't want to change Prem's unless its a blanket change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
520 [-FBS-] saagri Members 2,646 posts 4,290 battles Report post #6 Posted March 1, 2017 Pls buff Gremy as well. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,596 [-KIA-] TenguBlade Banned 9,382 posts 28,311 battles Report post #7 Posted March 1, 2017 Yes but that compensation was BEFORE every other Russian DD was determined to be lacking in the gun category. How on earth can they buff all the other Russian DD's and not the Leningrad when the Leningrad already has the most nurfed guns of the entire Russian line? You do realize that the new T7 is Leningrad with 4km torpedoes, right? Kiev is being moved up a tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
707 Sink_Stuff Beta Testers 1,971 posts 13,729 battles Report post #8 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) Pls buff Gremy as well. The Gremy at tier 5 already has the 1900 HE damage. It always had it. It was the Leningrad (a premium two tiers higher) that was listed as a gun boat Russian DD premium that has 1600 He damage when even the Blyskawika (with even smaller guns) gets 1700 HE damage. So it was the Leningrad all along that was the most screwed Russian DD based premium. Even the Kiev gets at least 6 guns where the Leningrad only gets 5 even though both have the same damage at 1600 HE damage. And now they tell me that the Russian DD's will all get 300 more HE damage per shell when the Leningrad, the most nurfed gun boat dd of the entire Russian line, a premium no less, will NOT get the SAME buff? This is crazy? Please tell me that it isn't true? It makes no sense to me to even think that every other Russian dd needs a gun buff while the Leningrad does not. Crazy talk. Edited March 1, 2017 by Rounne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,382 [NG-NL] Reymu Members 7,183 posts 12,784 battles Report post #9 Posted March 1, 2017 Premiums hardly need any changes since they bring credit and XP modifiers. Unless they underperform per skilled players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,367 [HINON] Captain_Dorja [HINON] Beta Testers 5,913 posts 5,645 battles Report post #10 Posted March 1, 2017 Honestly, i think that it's dumb to rebuff the Soviet DD HE. They nerfed it for a reason and the reasoning behind that nerf hasn't changed. This buff is a bad idea. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
707 Sink_Stuff Beta Testers 1,971 posts 13,729 battles Report post #11 Posted March 1, 2017 You do realize that the new T7 is Leningrad with 4km torpedoes, right? Kiev is being moved up a tier. https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/03/01/wows-various-changes-in-wows-0-6-2-pt/ Sorry Tengue but you are wrong. The armored partol has already posted that the Minsk, the new tier 7 DD that you say is the Leningrad with shorter torps will have the 1900 HE damage buff. So how can the Leningrad NOT get the same buff when it has to also face the Minsk? This means that the premium Russian tier 7 DD can't even face it's own tech tree same tier equivalent ship. And you call that balanced? The Leningrad is still a gun boat first. The Leningrad is not a tier 7 Kamikazi for crying out loud. It is a Russian premium gun boat DD. It needs the same 1900 damage buff that all the other ones get, even more so since it has less guns with poor traverse and poor fire angles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,728 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 17,538 posts 12,810 battles Report post #12 Posted March 1, 2017 No it will not, nor does it need it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
30 snowshrederr Members 171 posts 3,883 battles Report post #13 Posted March 1, 2017 https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/03/01/wows-various-changes-in-wows-0-6-2-pt/ Sorry Tengue but you are wrong. The armored partol has already posted that the Minsk, the new tier 7 DD that you say is the Leningrad with shorter torps will have the 1900 HE damage buff. So how can the Leningrad NOT get the same buff when it has to also face the Minsk? This means that the premium Russian tier 7 DD can't even face it's own tech tree same tier equivalent ship. And you call that balanced? The Leningrad is still a gun boat first. The Leningrad is not a tier 7 Kamikazi for crying out loud. It is a Russian premium gun boat DD. It needs the same 1900 damage buff that all the other ones get, even more so since it has less guns with poor traverse and poor fire angles. The usable torps more than make up for the change in gun damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
501 Lightninger Members 1,482 posts 22,290 battles Report post #14 Posted March 1, 2017 https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/03/01/wows-various-changes-in-wows-0-6-2-pt/ Sorry Tengue but you are wrong. The armored partol has already posted that the Minsk, the new tier 7 DD that you say is the Leningrad with shorter torps will have the 1900 HE damage buff. So how can the Leningrad NOT get the same buff when it has to also face the Minsk? This means that the premium Russian tier 7 DD can't even face it's own tech tree same tier equivalent ship. And you call that balanced? The Leningrad is still a gun boat first. The Leningrad is not a tier 7 Kamikazi for crying out loud. It is a Russian premium gun boat DD. It needs the same 1900 damage buff that all the other ones get, even more so since it has less guns with poor traverse and poor fire angles. Rounne, you can calm down. Based on this video, the HE buff is due to a change in the type of shell, the HE 46. I checked in game seeing as how the Leningrad is my favorite ship. It does use the HE 46 shell so it should have the damage increased to 1900 if what he is saying is correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
436 _Luna Alpha Tester 884 posts 3,403 battles Report post #15 Posted March 1, 2017 Considering that Leningrad is sitting at 3rd place (out of 8),both All time and 2 week among Tier 7 DD's, for both Winrate and Average Damage, Im pretty sure she doesn't need any buffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
30 snowshrederr Members 171 posts 3,883 battles Report post #16 Posted March 1, 2017 Rounne, you can calm down. Based on this video, the HE buff is due to a change in the type of shell, the HE 46. I checked in game seeing as how the Leningrad is my favorite ship. It does use the HE 46 shell so it should have the damage increased to 1900 if what he is saying is correct. There are a fair few ships that use the same shell but different stats, so the shell being the same doesn't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,596 [-KIA-] TenguBlade Banned 9,382 posts 28,311 battles Report post #17 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/03/01/wows-various-changes-in-wows-0-6-2-pt/ Sorry Tengue but you are wrong. The armored partol has already posted that the Minsk, the new tier 7 DD that you say is the Leningrad with shorter torps will have the 1900 HE damage buff. So how can the Leningrad NOT get the same buff when it has to also face the Minsk? This means that the premium Russian tier 7 DD can't even face it's own tech tree same tier equivalent ship. And you call that balanced? The Leningrad is still a gun boat first. The Leningrad is not a tier 7 Kamikazi for crying out loud. It is a Russian premium gun boat DD. It needs the same 1900 damage buff that all the other ones get, even more so since it has less guns with poor traverse and poor fire angles. Minsk is a Leningrad that loses the 8km torpedoes: she is Leningrad's sister ship IRL. Same drawbacks, but no stealth-torping. She will need the additional HE damage to compete with her sister. How do people even think you have some semblance of intelligence... Edited March 1, 2017 by TenguBlade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
943 [TOSEY] KalishniKat [TOSEY] Members 1,344 posts Report post #18 Posted March 1, 2017 Yeah...Awesome Leningrad..Spent the entire war stuck in port...Didn't even venture out in 45 when Prinz Eugen shelled nearby Sworbe. Glorious Soviet navy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
707 Sink_Stuff Beta Testers 1,971 posts 13,729 battles Report post #19 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) Minsk is a Leningrad that loses the 8km torpedoes: she is Leningrad's sister ship IRL. Same drawbacks, but no stealth-torping. She will need the additional HE damage to compete with her sister. How do people even think you have some semblance of intelligence... Those 4km torps still do more damage and 5 knots faster speed. In no way does having 1500 more potential HE damage broadside make up for having 4km longer range, weaker, slower torps. WTH is wrong with you? The Leningrad is a gun boat DD. If the same tier Leningrad sister (as you call it) gets 1500 more potential damage broadside every 5 seconds then that is total bullcrap. And you think that is balanced? The Leningrad will lose every single dual with same tier, higher, or lower tech tree ships. Or don't you have enough intelligence to see that. Obviously not. Edited March 1, 2017 by Rounne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
766 [SPTR] khaenn35 Members 20,155 posts 6,159 battles Report post #20 Posted March 1, 2017 Those 4km torps still do more damage and 5 km faster speed. In no way does having 1500 more potential HE damage broadside make up for having 4km longer range weaker slower torps. WTH is wrong with you. The Leningrad is a gun boat DD. If the same tier Leningrad sister (as you call it) gets 1500 more potential damage broadside every 5 seconds then that is total bullcrap. And you think that is balanced? The Leningrad will lose every single dual with same tier, higher, or lower tech tree ships. Or don't you have enough intelligence to see that. Obviously not. The Leningrad has 7km torpedoes, which open up a ton of offensive capabilities that the 4kms can barely dream of. It could basically make for perhaps 2 torpedo hits per game while the Minsk is left with occasionally using those torps in suicide range, perhaps 0.05 torpedo hits a game. The 300dmg HE buff is only maximum damage-in practice, it would be 100 damage more per shot (I didn't do the math). Assuming each torp does 20k damage, the Minsk would have to do just shy of 400 pen-hits to make up for the shortfall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,370 Terrible_Turtle Members 5,202 posts Report post #21 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) The Gremy at tier 5 already has the 1900 HE damage. It always had it. It was the Leningrad (a premium two tiers higher) that was listed as a gun boat Russian DD premium that has 1600 He damage when even the Blyskawika (with even smaller guns) gets 1700 HE damage. So it was the Leningrad all along that was the most screwed Russian DD based premium. Even the Kiev gets at least 6 guns where the Leningrad only gets 5 even though both have the same damage at 1600 HE damage. And now they tell me that the Russian DD's will all get 300 more HE damage per shell when the Leningrad, the most nurfed gun boat dd of the entire Russian line, a premium no less, will NOT get the SAME buff? This is crazy? Please tell me that it isn't true? It makes no sense to me to even think that every other Russian dd needs a gun buff while the Leningrad does not. Crazy talk. Gremy needs 2200 HE damage. How else will she compete with the new Podvoisky, Gnevny, and Minsk? #NOTSERIOUS Edited March 1, 2017 by Kombat_W0MBAT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,596 [-KIA-] TenguBlade Banned 9,382 posts 28,311 battles Report post #22 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) Those 4km torps still do more damage and 5 knots faster speed. In no way does having 1500 more potential HE damage broadside make up for having 4km longer range, weaker, slower torps. WTH is wrong with you? The Leningrad is a gun boat DD. If the same tier Leningrad sister (as you call it) gets 1500 more potential damage broadside every 5 seconds then that is total bullcrap. And you think that is balanced? The Leningrad will lose every single dual with same tier, higher, or lower tech tree ships. Or don't you have enough intelligence to see that. Obviously not. More damage means nothing if the torpedoes can't be used, period. The higher speed means you can't torpedo targets trying to close with you from as far away, a huge disadvantage considering the short range. 5 knots of faster speed makes no difference at 4km anyways, if somebody completely dodged a torpedo spread from that distance, either you suck or they were expecting it. Soviet DDs were never meant to win one-on-one gun duels. That's the American DD line's job: if they can shoot back and hit you reliably, you're too close. And so why does losing gun duels matter when Soviet DDs are not supposed to be at ranges where other DDs can even fire back effectively? Or when Leningrad is much better at cutting apart enemy escort ships so your own can deal with the DDs that you can't? Minsk will need to use only her guns to kill anybody at the effective ranges of a Soviet DD: Leningrad can use torpedoes to supplement her guns. 1500 more potential damage per broadside? I don't know in what universe HE shells do their maximum damage to DDs, but it's not this one. Normal-penetrations do 1/3rd of the shell's max damage, which means Minsk's shells have a maximum potential of ~3167 HE damage per broadside without citadels, compared to Leningrad's 2667. You're looking at a de facto boost of about 500 damage per broadside, assuming saturation doesn't start sapping at those numbers. Edited March 1, 2017 by TenguBlade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
138 fish_Jones Members 337 posts 4,434 battles Report post #23 Posted March 1, 2017 Those 4km torps still do more damage and 5 knots faster speed. In no way does having 1500 more potential HE damage broadside make up for having 4km longer range, weaker, slower torps. WTH is wrong with you? The Leningrad is a gun boat DD. If the same tier Leningrad sister (as you call it) gets 1500 more potential damage broadside every 5 seconds then that is total bullcrap. And you think that is balanced? The Leningrad will lose every single dual with same tier, higher, or lower tech tree ships. Or don't you have enough intelligence to see that. Obviously not. And the Atlanta has 10kts faster torps than Flint. Which has better torps? Flint. Why? Usable range The Leningrad can stealth torp right out of the box. The Minsk can NEVER stealth torp. It will use its guns, and ONLY its guns probably 90% of the time if not more. The Leningrad is capable of doing something, and doing it well, that the Minsk can only dream of. It does not need to be able to compete on a per shell basis to be balanced. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
83 Zim_Xero Members 765 posts 2,849 battles Report post #24 Posted March 1, 2017 I bet they will buff Leningrads HE damage on another patch ...AFTER ranked battles are over, since she is one of the best DDs in play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,186 BlazerSparta Members 11,026 posts 30,665 battles Report post #25 Posted March 1, 2017 Hopefully not. Can't be nerfed must be linked with can't be buffed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
