Buff DDs guns or nerf radar at high tier (preferably both)

[Ju87s]

It's absurd that I can be hit with radar by a ship that's not even in range of my guns.  There's literally defense against this crap.  Radar should be capped at 9km.

[R_Razor]

It's absurd that I can be hit with radar by a ship that's not even in range of my guns.  There's literally defense against this crap.  Radar should be capped at 9km.

 

Wait, you don't think that guns that weighed close to what your entire Destroyer weighs should be able to shoot farther than your tiny little pop guns?

[MrDeaf]

What are you in? Kagero?

Pick up AFT and all DDs, except Kagero, will have more range than soviet 11.7km radar.

[TheKrimzonDemon]

DD guns have at least a 10km range, longer with AFT, which you should be using at high tiers.

 

All you do is whine about everything you don't like.

[Macabe]

What DD are you using? Buffing all DD guns at high tiers would make every KMS,VMF, and USN DD blatantly OP.

[Snargfargle]

It's absurd that I can be hit with radar by a ship that's not even in range of my guns.  There's literally defense against this crap. 

 

Welcome to warfare. My artillery unit shot at a lot of things that had no chance of firing back and hitting us.

[RivertheRoyal]

I have a fix for you OP.

Avoid getting lit up by radar in the first place. They can't shoot you if they can't see you. 

[Naughtius_Maximus]

Pls no gun buffs. We definitely do not need more/faster firing laserbeams.

 

Rather, ask to nerf everyone's guns instead. Just like in low tier where being lit does not mean you are a legit target for half the enemy team, you can have guns nerfed enough so DDs are relatively safe at 10km ranges once nobody can hit it reliably.

 

Radar can have its vision. Nerf higher tier ships' ability to abuse it.

[El_Judarino]

I find there are rarely more than two radar ships on the red team... keeping track of them isn't that hard. Its also hilariously satisfying to find one going a predictable way, sending a pack of torps off to greet him and, if necessary, popping off my guns to get his attention and steer him into torps he might have accidentally began to dodge.

[Ju87s]

 

Wait, you don't think that guns that weighed close to what your entire Destroyer weighs should be able to shoot farther than your tiny little pop guns?

 

do you have any reading comprehension whatsoever?

[Ju87s]

DD guns have at least a 10km range, longer with AFT, which you should be using at high tiers.

 

All you do is whine about everything you don't like.

 

And the Russian radar is over 11km.  You can't get in torp range or gun range (without a special captain skill) to fire on it.  And the CD for radar has been buffed, so they pop all the time.  It takes all the fun out of DD play at high tier.

[Ju87s]

What DD are you using? Buffing all DD guns at high tiers would make every KMS,VMF, and USN DD blatantly OP.

 

Z-46

[Ju87s]

I have a fix for you OP.

Avoid getting lit up by radar in the first place. They can't shoot you if they can't see you. 

 

So, stay far away enough that I can't fire my guns or torp?  Sounds like a lot of fun.  Cool advice from somebody who doesn't play DDs.

[RivertheRoyal]

 

So, stay far away enough that I can't fire my guns or torp?  Sounds like a lot of fun.  Cool advice from somebody who doesn't play DDs.

 

Revolutionary idea! Avoid the radar ships. Everyone else does.

 

(P.s, I do play DD's. Quite a bit more as of late, in fact.) 

[renegadestatuz]

 

And the Russian radar is over 11km.  You can't get in torp range or gun range (without a special captain skill) to fire on it.  And the CD for radar has been buffed, so they pop all the time.  It takes all the fun out of DD play at high tier.

 

It's still a minute and a half at best with a good cool down for radar. And they can only have 4 radars at most per ship. The ships aren't going to be randomly blowing all their radar and just wasting it. And what skills are you taking that you don't have AFT on your DD? Because if you're at higher tiers and firing your guns under 12km at a ship with radar then you're just asking to get wrecked unless it's a last ditch effort. That's like having an right flashing neon sign over your ship saying DELETE ME!. If you're playing in those tiers and somehow have a DD with range under 12km then you have no business firing your guns and should stick to torpedoes, because you're just just going to get wrecked otherwise and be a waste to your team.

[renegadestatuz]

 

Revolutionary idea! Avoid the radar ships. Everyone else does. 

 

This. It's not that hard if you actually have some map awareness and know how to look at that little thing in the bottom right corner of your screen called a minimap.

[Ju87s]

 

Revolutionary idea! Avoid the radar ships. Everyone else does.

 

(P.s, I do play DD's. Quite a bit more as of late, in fact.) 

 

again, that's really easy to say for somebody who plays BBs and cruisers, "just stay more than 11 KM away!"

[RivertheRoyal]

 

again, that's really easy to say for somebody who plays BBs and cruisers, "just stay more than 11 KM away!"

 

I don't just play BB's and cruisers though. Sure, I play them more that I play my DD's, but I still know enough to stay away from radar ships and go after something else. It's a matter of target prioritization. Leave the radar ships to your teammate. Go find something else to sink.   

[Ju87s]

 

It's still a minute and a half at best with a good cool down for radar. And they can only have 4 radars at most per ship. The ships aren't going to be randomly blowing all their radar and just wasting it. And what skills are you taking that you don't have AFT on your DD? Because if you're at higher tiers and firing your guns under 12km at a ship with radar then you're just asking to get wrecked unless it's a last ditch effort. That's like having an right flashing neon sign over your ship saying DELETE ME!. If you're playing in those tiers and somehow have a DD with range under 12km then you have no business firing your guns and should stick to torpedoes, because you're just just going to get wrecked otherwise and be a waste to your team.

 

It takes a 14 point captain to have AFT, and that takes a long time to grind with no soulfire camo or dragon flags.  And no, I'm not firing my guns, if I was, then they wouldn't bother popping their radar.  All I'm doing in this ship is firing torps. 

[Dath_1]

 

again, that's really easy to say for somebody who plays BBs and cruisers, "just stay more than 11 KM away!"

 

I play quite a bit of DD and I will say it... it's not that hard to avoid radar ships and when they do light you run till it expires. Every now and then I get killed due to radar but that's usually my fault for being out of position.

[MrDeaf]

 

Z-46

 

11km fully upgraded

13.2km with AFT

 

I'm not a math professor, but I think 13.2km is greater than 11.7km

[Ju87s]

 

I don't just play BB's and cruisers though. Sure, I play them more that I play my DD's, but I still know enough to stay away from radar ships and go after something else. It's a matter of target prioritization. Leave the radar ships to your teammate. Go find something else to sink.   

 

You don't have any high tier DDs, and the few DDs you have, you have like 20 games in.  It's not like I'm just rushing in on lone Moskvas out in the water away from their fleet.  They keep themselves with their other ships, or behind islands or in smoke.  Half the time, the radar pops and I can't even see it.  To put it into context you might understand better would be if you were constantly getting set on fire and I was to say to you "oh, well just stay out of range of ships with good HE."

[Ju87s]

 

11km fully upgraded

13.2km with AFT

 

I'm not a math professor, but I think 13.2km is greater than 11.7km

 

Shouldn't need to have a captain skill to make a ship's guns viable.  And obviously I don't have AFT.

[RivertheRoyal]

 

You don't have any high tier DDs, and the few DDs you have, you have like 20 games in.  It's not like I'm just rushing in on lone Moskvas out in the water away from their fleet.  They keep themselves with their other ships, or behind islands or in smoke.  Half the time, the radar pops and I can't even see it.  To put it into context you might understand better would be if you were constantly getting set on fire and I was to say to you "oh, well just stay out of range of ships with good HE."

 

You do realize that I hid my stats a while ago? They aren't accurate at all anymore. 

Besides, one would assume you would understand common sense. 

 

Edit: Oh, and I'm an IJN CL main. I'm the one setting fires, buddy. 

[Ju87s]

 

I play quite a bit of DD and I will say it... it's not that hard to avoid radar ships and when they do light you run till it expires. Every now and then I get killed due to radar but that's usually my fault for being out of position.

 

there really is no running away, even turning around and going full speed away from them, they can keep the pace for the duration of their radar usually.