What does WG have against the IJN 155 Mogami

[Sisyphus_ii]

Why does the Mogami have the slowest turret rotate in the game ??

There is slow then there is ridiculous slower than BBs, unless it is there to trip up the new.

[The_Freeaboo]

You must not have played the game when AFT affected 155s. Mogami had best range, ROF, and alpha of the tier 8 cruiser so, WG rightfully nerfed it to hell. 

[El_Judarino]

I'm sure it had *nothing* to do with Chapayev occupying the same 6" stealth firing fire breathing cruiser niche.

If a ship occupies a Russian niche, it must be "balanced" accordingly.

 

*Edit: sorry, the above was quite salty. I just really loved old Mog. I also currently love my Chappy,  but the timing of it's release and Mogami's nerfs has always left a sour taste in my mouth. 

[Show_Me_Your_Cits]

You must not have played the game when AFT affected 155s. Mogami had best range, ROF, and alpha of the tier 8 cruiser so, WG rightfully nerfed it to hell. 

 

And then conveniently forgot to un-nerf the traverse after they gutted those skills. Before it was an OP horror (and loads of fun), now it's just... Ugh. 

 

I miss old Mogami... 

[SireneRacker]

A heavy broadside in combination of the ability to penetrate 25mm of armor with HE without using IFHE. Most shells in a broadside of ANY ship in the game, a decent armor (for Cruiser standards) and a heavy Torpedo armament coupled with high speed and insane stealth.

[Terrible_Turtle]

Back in the day most people were keeping the 155s instead of "upgrading" to the 203s. To the best of my knowledge WG nerfed the 155s traverse speed to encourage people to follow the natural progression.

[BrushWolf]

Back in the day most people were keeping the 155s instead of "upgrading" to the 203s. To the best of my knowledge WG nerfed the 155s traverse speed to encourage people to follow the natural progression.

 

This, the Mogami is really two different ships that shared the same hull and when cruisers are split into CL and CA lines this will happen. They are still irritating as heck to deal with even with the slow turret traverse.

[mohawkdriver]

I've been asking the same question the OP asked.  I got the Mogami right before the nerf of doom, and I've been pissed about it ever since.  There's other things WG could have done to 'balance' the ship and stop the sleazy little whiners, but they took the easy way out.

 

No one is going to tell me that a ship like that gets released without a multitude of play and testing.  If it was so OP before the death nerf, why didn't they balance it BEFORE it was released?  I think it's as simple as too many whiners--jus' sayin'.

[Judge_Doom]

When is it exactly that any ship is 'rightfully nerfed'?  I can understand 'marginal nerf', 'minor nerf', or just plain 'nerf', but when a ship is so called 'rightfully nerfed' to the point where it has basically no resemblance to the ship that it use to be, than at that point it becomes 'over nerf'.  Such is the case with the Mogami.

[Jinxed_Katajainen]

It's really a matter of perception and wants...

It was explained before WG wants the 15.5s to be 'stock' and the 20.3s to be an 'upgrade/elite' module, so the former needs to be worse than the latter overall.

Players (including myself) would rather have it a choice so we're asking for them to be equals.

 

It's also been suggested to just remove that 15.5cm module from the ship and put it on a premium sister ship after it has been rebalanced, eg: Mikuma.  We'll just have to see if WG will take this route.

[Jim_Byrnes]

Bottom line is Mogami only needs a traverse buff... Nothing More!! With new skills and a full concealment build she's still a contender and a spam hose to be reckoned with.  

[BrushWolf]

It's really a matter of perception and wants...

It was explained before WG wants the 15.5s to be 'stock' and the 20.3s to be an 'upgrade/elite' module, so the former needs to be worse than the latter overall.

Players (including myself) would rather have it a choice so we're asking for them to be equals.

 

It's also been suggested to just remove that 15.5cm module from the ship and put it on a premium sister ship after it has been rebalanced, eg: Mikuma.  We'll just have to see if WG will take this route.

 

This would work if they decided to not split cruisers into light and heavy lines.

[Rusty_Bucket__]

I recently picked her up again. I'm using the 155s. I've done what I could to speed up turret rotation. The guns load really fast. I've been really enjoying her.

[Aduial]

I think they're going with the "stock guns" idea, but that makes no sense because the German BBs at T9-10 have two options, not one stock and one upgraded. 

[hipcanuck]

The 155's can be made to work but you have to drive the mog like a BB....a very, VERY squishy BB, otherwise you hide behind an island.

 

To the poster who mentioned 'salt' and the Russian cruisers, the Russian ships were often mentioned in beta (usually nasty comments about floating IS7s) and that once they were introduced the game would change significantly, and that no Russian ship would be allowed to be just plain bad.

[Delta7Xx]

I still love my Mogami with the 155s and inertia fuse. Sure, the slow turret traverse is annoying when reacting to new threats, but if you control the situation around you and pre aim, you can make use of it's insane and surprisingly consistent DPM to screw over ships of all sizes.

[Rouxi]

It's really a matter of perception and wants...

It was explained before WG wants the 15.5s to be 'stock' and the 20.3s to be an 'upgrade/elite' module, so the former needs to be worse than the latter overall.

Players (including myself) would rather have it a choice so we're asking for them to be equals.

 

It's also been suggested to just remove that 15.5cm module from the ship and put it on a premium sister ship after it has been rebalanced, eg: Mikuma.  We'll just have to see if WG will take this route.

 

WG's idea of progression is pure fantasy. The 203s are not new, they're exactly the same guns players used on the myoko, aoba, and furytaco. If players wanted to use them they would be. WG is just being stubborn and delusional trying to force people to play how they want.

[EvelAye]

Why does the Mogami have the slowest turret rotate in the game ??

There is slow then there is ridiculous slower than BBs, unless it is there to trip up the new.

 

It's getting a buff in the next patch down to 36 sec. You can get it under 32 with expert marksman. Enjoy!

[Skyfaller]

That would make the ship functional with those guns. Mogami used to be OP as heck just because back then the fire starting chances for ANY ship was insanely high (heck I remember starting 3 fires per salvo... you don't do that now with the same 155mm guns) and the fire damage itself was absurdly high (still is IMO but its nowhere as bad as before)...and of course the 18k range lobbing of those shells due to AFT..which no longer bonuses the 155s.

 

The turret rotation rate would put Mogami 155 on par with the Chappyev when it comes to rate of fire, range and damage...with the chappy still having significant advantages in acceleration/stopping, radar and the soviet biased insanely high fire proc chance.

 

People claim mogami has too many guns and thus advantage... and its torps... well, they forget that if Mogami uses its rear guns its basically inviting to be insta-gib citadel'd ...and the torps REQUIRE the ship to show its broadsides to fire them so firing torps is literally citadel-seppuku.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

I kept Mogami so I'm excited for the 155mm traverse buff.  Her range is still average compared to the 17.something range of Chapayev's 152mm, but the traverse on 155-Mogami was a very sore point.

[pyantoryng]

That Mogami buff made me went and retrain my Aoba guy to Myoko...