619 [-GPS-] Landing_Skipper Members 2,955 posts 46,767 battles Report post #1 Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) When a teammate asks you to use your radar, DO IT. Just had a Ranked battle where I was shooting another DD. He was getting low health and went out of my detection, but well within Belfast radar range. I asked for radar but got none. Why? Because the festering, pustulant rectal aperture Belfast couldn't take the shots needed to put that DD down. We lost eventually. Would killing that DD early have made the difference? I'll never know. Seriously, someone needs to do a tutorial on HOW TO USE RADAR EFFECTIVELY. We had two (2) Belfasts and opposing team had only one (1). One of ours was OK, but the other - the one who wouldn't light up the DD - was utterly useless. A freaking Pensacola could've done more. 1) Only use radar when you know or are fairly certain that you'll "see" 1 or more ships to shoot at 2) Tell your teammates before you light up: gives them time to turn guns, etc. 3) Make sure YOUR guns are able to shoot at what you light up IF possible, but it's OK if 3 teammates can do the work for you 4) Don't smoke behind an island where you can't shoot anything (Belfast specific) I took a 3 day break from Ranked and I swear the quality of play has dropped significantly. I should say it's much more inconsistent, with some really good players and some who got to Rank 6 how??? After a complete absence of any constructive comments, I wrote this: You all are right. I couldn't possibly have any idea of when not one but two Belfasts had not used their radar yet. And you should only use radar when it benefits you directly. Please don't pay any attention to requests or suggestions your teammates might make. Surely you are omniscient and they are all potatoes. /sarcasm off/ Edited March 1, 2017 by Landing_Skipper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,337 battles Report post #2 Posted February 28, 2017 How do you know that Belfast hadn't already burned his radar and it was on cool down? Ever stop to think about that? 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
326 Captain_Dilbert Members 1,494 posts 12,756 battles Report post #3 Posted February 28, 2017 What ship were you in? Why didn't you pursue that low health DD yourself? Also, as mentioned by TalonV maybe the radar was on cooldown, or maybe the Belfast simply did not see your chat message? More often than not I don't see "strategic" chat messages during battle because I am playing a DD and usually trying to stay alive or firing every 7 seconds. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,852 Madwolf05 ∞ Alpha Tester 7,170 posts 4,070 battles Report post #4 Posted February 28, 2017 I don't use my radar unless my guns are reloaded, or we have an immediate need where I know it will actually help without needing my guns. I typically don't automatically press the button just because someone asked, I evaluate the situation first. A fleeing DD beyond his detection range can not only be hard to hit, but you might not know if he's in radar range or not, meaning that using radar could be a complete waste. It's generally best used against a DD prowling behind an island or in smoke, or against a cruiser in smoke, when you KNOW they're there, and they're slow and vulnerable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,815 [-KIA-] ValkyrWarframe Members 5,245 posts 16,892 battles Report post #5 Posted February 28, 2017 Don't be that guy who believes just because he doesn't get rewarded so he shouldn't activate radar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,956 battles Report post #6 Posted February 28, 2017 I'll be sure to use my radar on command even when it's already on cooldown from the last time someone else told me how to use my ship. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,478 [HINON] renegadestatuz Members 7,656 posts 9,539 battles Report post #7 Posted February 28, 2017 How do you know that Belfast hadn't already burned his radar and it was on cool down? Ever stop to think about that? This is exactly what I was thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
789 DerKrampus Members 1,853 posts 3,584 battles Report post #8 Posted February 28, 2017 This is exactly what I was thinking. Same here. If the OP is so confident in how the Belfast should be played, then maybe they should hop into a Belfast themselves. And then save their radar for whenever some whiny DD DEMANDS that they use it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
14 [USFC] kvcaner Members 92 posts 15,961 battles Report post #9 Posted February 28, 2017 Perhaps he turned off chat because he got tired of listening to righteous players in Ranked telling everyone else how to play? Just a thought (not a good idea though especially in Ranked) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
326 Captain_Dilbert Members 1,494 posts 12,756 battles Report post #10 Posted February 28, 2017 Also, what does "getting low health" actually mean? Even in my slow as molasses (uphill in January) Shiratsuyu, if I am already heading away from you it is quite likely that I will be able to get out of radar range and only loose 2k-3k of health (especially if I am not being focused by multiple ships). I find it comical that the OP has such little patience for a teammate who does not do what exactly the OP wants exactly when the OP wants it that the OP resorts to calling his teammate a "festering, pustulant rectal aperture". In hindsight I am confident that the team in question had a "festering, pustulant rectal aperture" on it, I just don't think that person was in a Belfast. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
777 [BARF] 1nc0mp3t3nt_1 Beta Testers 5,816 posts 5,497 battles Report post #11 Posted February 28, 2017 So here is a scenario... What if the radar was used and now on cool down? They don't last long, you know. Also, I tend to treat radar on my team as if I don't have it, because more often than not, I don't have it close enough for me to take advantage of, or at all while the enemy team does. You learn to work around not having it eventually I remember one battle I lost 6 karma because I told someone that my Maass smoke lasts for 65 seconds only, which triggered a rant about me quitting the game and going back to random if I only want to keep playing in ships that are a hindrance... Then I might have pointed out that my Maass has won 55% of the 78 Ranked battles I have put it through and told him what he can sit on and rotate 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
924 [TSF_1] pewpewpew42 Members 3,301 posts 7,816 battles Report post #12 Posted February 28, 2017 No. Save radar until they're within 2 km less than the max. That way you have time to shoot as they flee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
715 Gomez_Adams Members 2,246 posts 2,602 battles Report post #13 Posted February 28, 2017 How do you know that Belfast hadn't already burned his radar and it was on cool down? Ever stop to think about that? That. Why is it everybody assumes that every cruiser in the game is just waiting for some BB to give them the order to use their radar? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
777 [BARF] 1nc0mp3t3nt_1 Beta Testers 5,816 posts 5,497 battles Report post #14 Posted February 28, 2017 That. Why is it everybody assumes that every cruiser in the game is just waiting for some BB to give them the order to use their radar? It's not just cruisers. Destroyers cop the smoke screen expectations from everyone. Now try reminding people German smoke lasts 65 seconds and they should keep moving while inside as I make my own exit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,956 battles Report post #15 Posted February 28, 2017 That. Why is it everybody assumes that every cruiser in the game is just waiting for some BB to give them the order to use their radar? Because battleships assume everyone else is there to serve them. That's the mentality I tend to run into. "Destroyer, cap this." when I'm slow, or IJN and can't contest caps vs a Fletcher, or am at low health and couldn't reliably win a trade "Destroyer, smoke me" when it's on cooldown, or I'm IJN and need that to survive any encounter inside my detection range "Cruiser, AA cover now" when I have half his max gun range and doing so means I contribute nothing to the match "Cruiser, radar/hydro now" when I already used it, or am saving it for when I know one will be in range "Carrier, air cover now" when I have to cover my bombers, or I'm driving fighters away from stalking our destroyers, or I'm already helping someone else with planes on the other side of the map... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
715 Gomez_Adams Members 2,246 posts 2,602 battles Report post #16 Posted February 28, 2017 It's not just cruisers. Destroyers cop the smoke screen expectations from everyone. I've seen that a lot as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
777 [BARF] 1nc0mp3t3nt_1 Beta Testers 5,816 posts 5,497 battles Report post #17 Posted February 28, 2017 I've seen that a lot as well. Even in Ranked, I personally ignore these demands. It's not like Karma counts for anything. Have the people insulting my Maass spent close to the number of battles in her that I have and understand her weaknesses and abilities? Until they do, they can piss off until after the battle to criticise me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,110 [KSC] yashma -Members- 5,295 posts 9,948 battles Report post #18 Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) When a teammate asks you to use your radar, DO IT. Just had a Ranked battle where I was shooting another DD. He was getting low health and went out of my detection, but well within Belfast radar range. I asked for radar but got none. Why? Because the festering, pustulant rectal aperture Belfast couldn't take the shots needed to put that DD down. We lost eventually. Would killing that DD early have made the difference? I'll never know. Seriously, someone needs to do a tutorial on HOW TO USE RADAR EFFECTIVELY. We had two (2) Belfasts and opposing team had only one (1). One of ours was OK, but the other - the one who wouldn't light up the DD - was utterly useless. A freaking Pensacola could've done more. 1) Only use radar when you know or are fairly certain that you'll "see" 1 or more ships to shoot at 2) Tell your teammates before you light up: gives them time to turn guns, etc. 3) Make sure YOUR guns are able to shoot at what you light up IF possible, but it's OK if 3 teammates can do the work for you 4) Don't smoke behind an island where you can't shoot anything (Belfast specific) I took a 3 day break from Ranked and I swear the quality of play has dropped significantly. I should say it's much more inconsistent, with some really good players and some who got to Rank 6 how??? The other day I was playing my Udaloi. I got surprised by two Gearings, popped smoke and ran away. A little while later I encounter a Hindenburg coming under fire, he asked for smoke, I was too busy WASD hacking to type in chat...and my smoke was on cool down, the Hindeburg died and then proceeded to curse at me in chat for being a selfish A hole. Moral of the story, do you know what they say about people who аssume? How do you know that Belfast hadn't already burned his radar and it was on cool down? Ever stop to think about that? ^what he said Edited February 28, 2017 by yashma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6 Theswamp Members 36 posts 33,196 battles Report post #19 Posted February 28, 2017 What a splendid memo, so highly acclaimed. B A Z I N G A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #20 Posted March 1, 2017 8.5km is surprisingly short on range, just FYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #21 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) It's not just cruisers. Destroyers cop the smoke screen expectations from everyone. Now try reminding people German smoke lasts 65 seconds and they should keep moving while inside as I make my own exit. TBH, I wish more DDs would save their smoke to cover their escape. Too many times I've seen a friendly DD lay down a wall of smoke that prevents their teammates from laying the smack down on enemies on the other side, just so they can blind launch torps at max range that are easily dodged even if on target in the first place. That, or trying to set themselves up to invisifire at a target they can no longer see because they just shut down all LOS. Not to mention, they basically deny the area to their own ships, because you want to avoid that friendly smoke, because it's likely going to sprout hidden enemy torps. Edited March 1, 2017 by Skpstr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,285 battles Report post #22 Posted March 1, 2017 When a teammate asks you to use your radar, DO IT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,285 battles Report post #23 Posted March 1, 2017 TBH, I wish more DDs would save their smoke to cover their escape. Too many times I've seen a friendly DD lay down a wall of smoke that prevents their teammates from laying the smack down on enemies on the other side, just so they can blind launch torps at max range that are easily dodged even if on target in the first place. That, or trying to set themselves up to invisifire at a target they can no longer see because they just shut down all LOS. Not to mention, they basically deny the area to their own ships, because you want to avoid that friendly smoke, because it's likely going to sprout hidden enemy torps. Smoke, push through and spot is a rare thing to see in this game and to be fair its not easy to not LMB and maintain concealment. But.... man when it is done correctly it is incredibly effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
662 [13TH] HMCS_Devilfish Members 4,901 posts 9,124 battles Report post #24 Posted March 1, 2017 How do you know that Belfast hadn't already burned his radar and it was on cool down? Ever stop to think about that? Exactly and at just over 8 k range thats danger close .. ask me when im in my Belfast ... you got it if I can light em up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
619 [-GPS-] Landing_Skipper Members 2,955 posts 46,767 battles Report post #25 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) You all are right. I couldn't possibly have any idea of when not one but two Belfasts had not used their radar yet. And you should only use radar when it benefits you directly. Please don't pay any attention to requests or suggestions your teammates might make. Surely you are omniscient and they are all potatoes. /sarcasm off/ Edited March 1, 2017 by Landing_Skipper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
