91 _Heebie_Jeebies_ Members 203 posts 3,136 battles Report post #1 Posted February 28, 2017 Hey, I'm curious. The Indy is supposed to be pretty tough when angled bow forward. Now the literature says that it won't help against battleships. But, what about the smallish guns of the scharnhorst? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
825 [ARMDA] Unabletony Members 9,004 posts 6,976 battles Report post #2 Posted February 28, 2017 *smallish* They're 11in, which are battleship sized, but if you're lucky, his shots can either disperse or bounce, cause RNG... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,740 [SPTR] Rolkatsuki Members 28,245 posts 22,510 battles Report post #3 Posted February 28, 2017 Multiply the bow armor thickness (in milimeters) by 14.3 if the answer is bigger than the gun caliber of the scharn(in milimeters again) the indy has a chance at bouncing it's shots bow on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
69 xTheButcherPete Members 186 posts 2,090 battles Report post #4 Posted February 28, 2017 It might bounce, but you also have to contend with the Scharn's secondaries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
621 [KIA] thegamefilmguruman Members 2,379 posts 17,467 battles Report post #5 Posted February 28, 2017 230mm is the overmatch level on the Indy's bow. Scharn has 280's, so no, Indy can't bow tank Scharn. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,284 The_first_harbinger Members 3,681 posts 8,111 battles Report post #6 Posted February 28, 2017 To be fair Indianapolis have quite a small profile from the front, combined with proper engagement range and island cover Indianapolis can afford to take a few shots into her bow, superstructure and turret fronts and successfully delay a Scharnhorst quite well... Historically though, don't even think about it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,889 [HINON] Phoenix_jz Members 7,797 posts 2,144 battles Report post #7 Posted February 28, 2017 Speaking from experience... you can't bow tank the damage, although I've had some luck dinging rounds off the side of my ship... if they hit the belt. But, for the most part, you're relying on dodging the 11" shells to stay safe. You will, however, do a loooooaaaaad of damage to him with your AP. Just shoot for the superstructure if he's angled too well... or, right above the main belt, for some brutal 33% pen salvoes. Nothing's better than scoring 6k+ damage salvoes on a BB every 15 seconds... or 12, if you've got adrenaline rush, and no sense of caution. I would still give the overwhelming advantage to a scharnhorst, but you can hurt the guy badly before you go down... but long answer short, no, you can't tank it's 11" guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,153 [GUTS] Mizzerys_Fate Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 8,981 posts 32,128 battles Report post #8 Posted February 28, 2017 IFHE 11" shells don't bounce.... Plus, eventually, secondary build will be awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,361 WanderingGhost Alpha Tester 5,281 posts 12,191 battles Report post #9 Posted February 28, 2017 -looks at the shattered remains of Indi's, Hipper's, and Nagato's that charged my my Scharn- Yeah... I would not recommend trying to take a Scharn head on. I'm an average player and I've used it to take down an Iowa (yay torpedoes), Indi actually has to pray to not be citadeled even from the front - because that can happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,285 battles Report post #10 Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) She has a strong Bow vs. AP shooting Cruisers. Just like every other USN Heavy Cruiser. This is one of the few times that I will call Scharnhorst a Battleship. Scharn is a Battleship. Edited February 28, 2017 by slak__ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15 chaoqwe Members 169 posts 6,268 battles Report post #11 Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) You shouldn't bow to Scharn with 0 degree angle, overmatch happens. Try a 30-40 degree angle (or maybe 20-30? its my experience based so I can't quite tell) BBs tend to shoot at your broadside when they think you are showing it, but showing a 30 degree angle only 'looks beautiful', but it bounces shells. (Don't try on Yamato for most cases....) In my case with New Orleans ramming Amagi, I had to maneuver a bit because at close range, Amagi's front guns can overmatch my bow (some 0-10 degree?), but rear guns only bounce shells (some 10-20 degree?, due to this angling. Edited February 28, 2017 by chaoqwe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
204 [R-R-R] Exciton8964 Members 1,069 posts 11,452 battles Report post #12 Posted February 28, 2017 You shouldn't bow to Scharn with 0 degree angle, overmatch happens. Try a 30-40 degree angle (or maybe 20-30? its my experience based so I can't quite tell) BBs tend to shoot at your broadside when they think you are showing it, but showing a 30 degree angle only 'looks beautiful', but it bounces shells. (Don't try on Yamato for most cases....) In my case with New Orleans ramming Amagi, I had to maneuver a bit because at close range, Amagi's front guns can overmatch my bow (some 0-10 degree?), but rear guns only bounce shells (some 10-20 degree?, due to this angling. Doesn't work on Indy either. You put an angle if your broadside armor can autobounce the shells. However, Indy broadside armor is also thin, only 16mm I think. So you still will be penetrated unless you are so lucky that enemy shells hit your torpedo belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
91 _Heebie_Jeebies_ Members 203 posts 3,136 battles Report post #13 Posted February 28, 2017 230mm is the overmatch level on the Indy's bow. Scharn has 280's, so no, Indy can't bow tank Scharn. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15 chaoqwe Members 169 posts 6,268 battles Report post #14 Posted February 28, 2017 Doesn't work on Indy either. You put an angle if your broadside armor can autobounce the shells. However, Indy broadside armor is also thin, only 16mm I think. So you still will be penetrated unless you are so lucky that enemy shells hit your torpedo belt. Eh.. That's some really thin armor.. Sry didn't know that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
344 Mahrs Members 1,797 posts 7,977 battles Report post #15 Posted February 28, 2017 That's why when people ask me how I play Indy, I tell them I scroll down on my mouse wheel and select Scharnhorst. Scharnhorst isn't just a much better ship in every way but radar and DF, she's a much more influential ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,889 [HINON] Phoenix_jz Members 7,797 posts 2,144 battles Report post #16 Posted February 28, 2017 Eh.. That's some really thin armor.. Sry didn't know that It's a thin line. 19mm will be autopenned by the German 283mm guns, but 20mm will autobounce it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
