(RANT) Ranked Battles Teammates CV Hate

[Starfighter_Ace]

I am so tired of being on the end of so much salt when playing Ranked in a Ranger CV running "stock". This from team mates who take off on their own, refuse to provide AA support when asked, asking who has Defensive fire installed and no answers, complain that I "died" while using my planes to scout the caps instead of trying to CV snipe, and so on. My favorite is those who tell me "get a Hiryru or a Saipan or stay home!" Up to yesterday, I had a 50% win rate in my Ranger. It did fall thanks to some poor team mate play (We don't need a plan. Plans are for those who can't fight!!). Thankfully I have had a team or two out of the 40 games so far who actually operated as a team. I mean, how hard is it to plan a strategy, cooperate by knowing who has what and how to use it? One team I played with just murdered the Red Team CV by keeping himself between me and incoming CV Snipes. He shot down 40 aircraft in that match and I was picking off cripples and spotting DDs for the team as I could operate unmolested. Then I get in the matches where I'm the only ship left against 4 Red team ships because all 6 of my team mates decided to hunt the enemy CV or AFK ships. "Cap? We don't need to cap, just kill them all and we win!"  I did manage to get 2 of them (Don't smoke up while hunting me. I will torp the smoke and kill you! I'm looking at you Belfast players!) but Rangers can't outrun Sharns or Nice Nows ;)

 

OK, I feel better now. I just might stop playing weekends, as this is when it's the worst.

[FayFay731]

My favorite is when the DD is hunting the cv when it's in another game (which is why there are map borders)

[CapnCappy]

I don't think everyone realizes that there's a real caring human being on the other side of that ship and we should all take everyone's feelings into account when we....

 

... wait this is ranked?

 

YOU UNGODLY MONSTER! GET OUT OF RANKED AND NEVER COME BACK! I HATE YOU AND EVERYTHIGN ABOUT YOUR RANGER WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOURE HURTING MY RANKS!

 

(Seriously, switch to a Pensacola.)

 

 

 

Edit: Seriously, Ranger is horrible ship. Seriously.

[WanderingGhost]

Welcome to CV's in general - cripple ships so others get kills, down planes, try and scout, still get raged at by your team. I've gotten crap from teams with 100k damage, a kraken, and 30 planes shot down of the 72 carried but finally running out thanks to being out tiered.

[Lord_Zath]

Ranger is at a severe disadvantage to Hiryu and Saipan.  Congrats on maintaining a 50% win rate - that's admirable.  

[DOCTOR_CITADEL]

Unfortunately, there is some merit to what they are saying about not bringing the Ranger. You probably are actively bringing teams down, no offense.

 

Not necessarily you, per se, but the ship itself. Doesn't mean people have to be a butt about it. You should probably just bring one of the other CVs instead, unless you just want to struggle in Ranked and have teams upset at you.

 

Remember, a CV player has more influence on a battle than just about any other ship. The Ranger just gets outmatched by the other two CVs at tier 7.

[Hatework]

I grown audibly when I see a ranger on my team in random s.  I can only imagine how they feel in ranked where they're actually trying to accomplish something.

 

 

[RedSeaBear]

In defense of the poor Ranger, This past week I watched a Ranger own a Saipan and led its team to a defeat. 

I'm only sad the Saipan who could even auto drop was on my team. 

Sometimes its the Captain at the helm and not the ship you need to worry about.

 

Except for those crummy York and Anime Myoko drivers those can stay out of Ranked. 

[Femennenly]

As someone who pretty much ONLY plays CVs and the only person to rank out using ONLY CVs let me explain the limitations of the Ranger's various loadouts.

 

1/1/1 - stock.

Super liable to getting sniped by a Hiryu (either loadout), your one fighter will get tied up by their 2 or 3 and will be destroyed, allowing their strike planes to get through to you. If they don't decide to snipe, their fighters will consistently tie up yours allowing them to drop their strikes. Against a Saipan, again, fighters will tie yours up and with faster planes will chase your strike down.

 

2/0/2 - fighter.

Again with only 2 fighters, Hiryu will merely tie you up and strike you directly with nothing you can do against it. Similar notation to the stock loadup and same points can be repeated.

 

0/1/3 - strike.

With no fighters you cannot protect yourself or your teammates, your only choice with this loadout is to snipe the CV if their fighters move far enough out. Cross your fingers and just hope you don't end up against a Saipan because your planes will just be killed off quicker than you can launch them.

 

While yes 50% WR for a Ranger in ranked is commendable, how much of you actions led to these wins would be debated. The Ranger isn't a bad ship, but unfortunately it is just outclassed by both the Hiryu and Saipan. The games you described where it sounds like you did well was purely due to a worse CV player on the other side. Ranked is drastically different to random, smaller teams and more tactical, while you may not like the Hiryu or Saipan at higher ranks you will get laughed at bringing in a Ranger and simply outplayed by the more experienced players. 

[Numbah18]

1/1/1 - stock.

Super liable to getting sniped by a Hiryu (either loadout), your one fighter will get tied up by their 2 or 3 and will be destroyed, allowing their strike planes to get through to you. If they don't decide to snipe, their fighters will consistently tie up yours allowing them to drop their strikes. Against a Saipan, again, fighters will tie yours up and with faster planes will chase your strike down.

 

I only use the Stock Loadout on my CV and I can agree with this. Stock Ranger is fairly good if you can keep a DOT and the enemy CV doesn't really care to try and stop you. Problems with the Ranger arise when the Enemy CV is decent or is actively trying to use there FT, also a Stock Ranger will almost always be out damaged by everything except for another Stock Ranger or a AS Ranger.

[Femennenly]

 

I only use the Stock Loadout on my CV and I can agree with this. Stock Ranger is fairly good if you can keep a DOT and the enemy CV doesn't really care to try and stop you. Problems with the Ranger arise when the Enemy CV is decent or is actively trying to use there FT, also a Stock Ranger will almost always be out damaged by everything except for another Stock Ranger or a AS Ranger.if 

 

Well as OP stated originally they're trying to play for the team and not themself therefore dmg is really not important. I can do <20k dmg in a 2/2/2 Hiryu and still have a greater impact than a Hiryu that farmed BB dmg. It's all about being in a position to spot and hit the right targets at the right time - typically destroyers.

 

In ranked CVs have two roles, keep the skies clear and to spot. Dmg is not priority. Unfortunately you picked the worse ship for doing this. Both the Saipan and Hiryu have more squads allowing more areas to be spotted / spotting to be maintained longer. In regards to keeping skies clear, the (at most) two fighters the ranger has will just be tied by the Hiryu and the 3/4 strike planes allowed through. 

[Palladia]

 

Well as OP stated originally they're trying to play for the team and not themself therefore dmg is really not important. I can do <20k dmg in a 2/2/2 Hiryu and still have a greater impact than a Hiryu that farmed BB dmg. It's all about being in a position to spot and hit the right targets at the right time - typically destroyers.

 

In ranked CVs have two roles, keep the skies clear and to spot. Dmg is not priority. Unfortunately you picked the worse ship for doing this. Both the Saipan and Hiryu have more squads allowing more areas to be spotted / spotting to be maintained longer. In regards to keeping skies clear, the (at most) two fighters the ranger has will just be tied by the Hiryu and the 3/4 strike planes allowed through. 

 

And that really has to be stressed.  I hate to say that because I normally advocate playing whatever you enjoy,  but this is ranked.  If you go in with a stock Ranger then you are going in with the weakest jack of all trades at T7.  Any other well played ANYTHING is going to put you under.  AS Rangers will shut you down and strike Rangers will outdamage you.  Saipan and Hiryu will do both at the same time.

 

Don't get me wrong,  there are no limitations on what you can bring so feel free.  But you can't exactly get upset with people when you're going in with the most gimped CV in ranked.

[justsmith]

Would not worry too much, in small matchs at tier 7 most of the time it comes down to how good your teams BBs are anyway or how good of a spot the belfasts made it in to.

 

I doubt a hiryu would hurt a german BB enough to effect the out come of the BB/CA fight part any more than a ranger, and rangers can annoy DDs just as well.

[Femennenly]

Would not worry too much, in small matchs at tier 7 most of the time it comes down to how good your teams BBs are anyway or how good of a spot the belfasts made it in to.

 

I doubt a hiryu would hurt a german BB enough to effect the out come of the BB/CA fight part any more than a ranger, and rangers can annoy DDs just as well.

 

You would be wrong good sir.

[Jet_set117]

Would not worry too much, in small matchs at tier 7 most of the time it comes down to how good your teams BBs are anyway or how good of a spot the belfasts made it in to.

 

I doubt a hiryu would hurt a german BB enough to effect the out come of the BB/CA fight part any more than a ranger, and rangers can annoy DDs just as well.

 

My hiryu can hurt Schanhorst and Gniseanau, the only thing that may be stopping us is the high caliber long range aa but even then thats not much of a problem.

[hipcanuck]

I have to say that going into a ranked battle with a stock Ranger is like going into a battle with a Pensacola. There is nothing you can do that a different ship of the same class cannot do better...in almost every way. I used a Pen for a few battles, even had one with over 90k attack....still lost. 70% WR in ranked so far but 2-7 in the Pen...not using that ship anymore lol. I agree with the naysayers, ranked is no place for a Ranger, no matter how good you are with it!

 

I do fairly well in my AS Ranger in random's with a 53% WR, but stock the thing was just plain BAD. I think I started out 0-5 before I free xp'd my way to the AS setup and second hull. It has no redeeming qualities....zip...zero....zilch. The ONLY things this ship has taught me is 1) how to strafe, and 2) how to do the little things it takes to get a victory...spotting DD's, spotting torps, scouting CAP areas. After all, in a tier 9 match, thats about all you are good for in the early part of the match unless you get lucky and bi$chslap a DD before it pops its first smoke.