[Rant] You Would Think...

[TenguBlade]

While I'm not exactly a good Montana player, especially considering how much better than average I do with other BBs, one would think that at least doing about-average would result in an about-average win rate, right?

Easily one of the dumbest assumptions I've made in months, and this includes the time today where I broadsided a Missouri thinking he was using APR2 without Adrenaline Rush and ate 81k in damage.  Now that I've ground out all 19 points on my Montana captain, this is it; I'm done using this ship in Randoms.  For that matter, I'm probably going to do the same with all subsequent T10s and continue to do so for Yamato.  I'm fighting two or three times harder for lesser rewards (both in terms of match outcome and earnings) just to make up for the prevalence of stupidity on my teams, and more often than not also fighting my own team in chat to get them to pull their heads out of their asses and actually try to look like they give a damn about anything.  These tiers are not fun, period.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a masochist or a divisioning unicum.

 

Not helping is that most of the teams I'm facing are on average better - I've seen over a dozen different forumites today, and not a single one on any of my teams.  Even when I get a team with some unicums, they decide that to be the one match to derp around and do nothing: for instance, across three matches with OPG members, only when they were on my team did they run for the border and refuse to do anything.  They finished top either way, but when against it they did so by supporting their team and scouting, whereas they decided to just farm HE and fire damage off of other BBs with their Zaos instead of shooting the DDs cross-torping the one battleship that did push - although they did, to their credit, acknowledge that I at least tried without being condescending.

 

This also wouldn't be so much of a problem if not for all the divisions running about, most of them consisting of elite clan players.  When one team has no divisions and not a single player above 1000 WTR in their respective ship while the other team has 6 players in 2 triple divisions, all with WTRs in the purple zones for not just their ship but their entire profile, it's not a match, it's a slaughter.  What makes this all the more annoying is that using stats to determine priority targets seems to be a thing now.  It's not said explicitly, and honestly I can't fault them for being prudent, but it makes playing T10 all the more annoying - as if it wasn't already.  When a pair of Yamatos would rather shoot my angled Montana from 17km away instead of the broadsiding Minotaur that is still messing up his smoke deployment less than 7km from them; I'm repeatedly the only ship being attacked by DDs and CAs even when following other, more threatening ships into a cap point; not just one, but four separate carriers decide to focus their planes only on me (in one match, a Grosser Kurfurst running ahead of me that sported red-zone WTR and had his AA off didn't get molested once until after I was dead - the Hakuryu in question complained about broken AA); and half of enemy teams immediately say "gg" the instant I'm dead or they know I'm going to die no matter when in the match it is...kind of hard not to at least suspect something's up.

 

After I met another FOG community member, RockaholicRaven, in battle for the third time (and what would become my last win of the day - 10 matches before I called it quits), he mentioned he's uninstalling again.  Across all three matches, we were both driving Montanas, and he was regularly finishing at least 300-500 XP above me, discounting win bonuses.  I'm not nearly as stat-oriented as most unicums, but the fact that I can understand why and sympathize speaks for itself: clearly, I'm not the only one getting frustrated, and it's not a PEBKAC issue.  Regardless of how much you care, short of not at all, it gets annoying trying to play a ship after your loss streak starts running into the double digits but you've finished in the top 5 every time.

 

Maybe I'll try using the Montana in clan wars or something; until then, she's becoming another hotel.

[LemonadeWarrior]

If you want we can divi up in Monties next time I like my Montana a lot, but been awhile since I last played her.
​Today I found her perfect comparision, the Pensacola.

​Let me know

[TenguBlade]

If you want we can divi up in Monties next time I like my Montana a lot, but been awhile since I last played her.

​Today I found her perfect comparision, the Pensacola.

 

​Let me know

I appreciate the offer, but I'm done with T10 for a while.  I don't think I can go back in there without suffering aneurysm.  I'll definitely keep it in mind for later though, the more people I can assume know what they're doing, the better.

[Naughtius_Maximus]

I have tier 10s too, just no incentive to play them. With the rate I earn credits and the multiple lines I'm grinding, it'd need to be something extraordinary for me to shell out for a tier 10 game.

[Ajax_the_Great1]

High tier meta isn't so bad when playing dds. Unless of course their team moves up to support the caps and yours doesn't.

[LemonadeWarrior]

I appreciate the offer, but I'm done with T10 for a while.  I don't think I can go back in there without suffering aneurysm.  I'll definitely keep it in mind for later though, the more people I can assume know what they're doing, the better.

 

​Haha, perhaps it helps when you don't expect teamwork at all.

​TBH that division was doing pretty bad indeed lol.

[Destroyer_HatsuzukiKai]

Idk what you are talking about, probably you just dont know how to use montana, I feel like she's my second most broken tier 10 ship (only behind zao, because nothing is more broken than her). And I'm not even great with BBs.

You dont bow-on and reverse like a [edited]yamato, you play more like a cruiser, using all the guns and maneuvering, you hunt down DDs and CAs with AP and spam HE at BBs unless they are broadside at 15km or less.

[Palladia]

Idk what you are talking about, probably you just dont know how to use montana, I feel like she's my second most broken tier 10 ship (only behind zao, because nothing is more broken than her). And I'm not even great with BBs.

You dont bow-on and reverse like a [edited]yamato, you play more like a cruiser, using all the guns and maneuvering, you hunt down DDs and CAs with AP and spam HE at BBs unless they are broadside at 15km or less.

 

Reading comprehension isn't really your friend,  huh?  He isn't talking about his personal capability with the ship,  he's talking about the teams he's being stuck on.  Before you decide to mouth off in a thread next time,  maybe try reading through what's being said fully before stroking your own ego,  yeah?

[Destroyer_HatsuzukiKai]

 

Reading comprehension isn't really your friend,  huh?  He isn't talking about his personal capability with the ship,  he's talking about the teams he's being stuck on.  Before you decide to mouth off in a thread next time,  maybe try reading through what's being said fully before stroking your own ego,  yeah?

 

Gitgud then

[LemonadeWarrior]

 

Gitgud then

 

​Lawl

[TenguBlade]

Idk what you are talking about, probably you just dont know how to use montana, I feel like she's my second most broken tier 10 ship (only behind zao, because nothing is more broken than her). And I'm not even great with BBs.

You dont bow-on and reverse like a [edited]yamato, you play more like a cruiser, using all the guns and maneuvering, you hunt down DDs and CAs with AP and spam HE at BBs unless they are broadside at 15km or less.

If I was bow-oning with the Montana and enjoyed playing like a passive piece of [edited], I wouldn't be complaining nor would I have discarded my Yamato too.  It's because I try to maneuver and hunt people down, then get spontaneously focused by the entire enemy team, that I even have a complaint with the T10 meta: when everyone else sees you going forwards, instead of seeing it as incentive to push up and support, they see you as being a martyr or an idiot, sacrificing yourself to save others.  In essence, they run away even faster.  Wouldn't be an issue if I didn't I wasn't stuck with the server equivalent of the insane asylum so often either.

 

But clearly, when I'm pulling 93k damage in a Montana that lacked half of her upgrades for the majority of the games and a captain in retraining until about halfway through the session, still finishing in the top 5 on every loss, and pulled similar results in the Iowa using the exact same strategies and tactics, I must not know how to play the ship because my numbers are blue, yours are purple, and you said so.  New flash: we're not all as talented as you are.

 

By the way, I was going solo in these matches.  That is something you have yet to do at all with your Montana, and did for the whole of 5 matches with a 20% WR and barely-above-average damage in your Iowa.  By comparison my solo Iowa figures comprise 149 out of 154 battles in the ship, and I've yet to play a battle in a division with the Montana.  Don't come in here and tell me to "git gud" when your only excuse for purple stats in a battleship is having division mates to bail you out if you get [edited] by your team.  Not like you would really know what it's like driving a high-tier BB without at least one person covering your [edited] with only 5 battles total, but judging from your solo Iowa numbers, I can presume you didn't like what it did to your stats...

[desmo_2]

Recently I have been playing my T8-9's almost exclusively (no T10's yet) as I was trying to reach the end of the Honorable Service Campaign.  While I don't have any T10's, I found myself in plenty of T10 games.  I finally finished and earned the Shinonome.

 

I went out of town for a week and didn't play at all.  Yesterday I started up the game and decided to play some T4-T7 to get back into the swing...and had a lot of fun!  I was doing pretty well in T8-9, but Benson was the only ship I was really having FUN with.  I played a varied mix of cruisers, destroyers and battleships in the lower tiers yesterday and just enjoyed the games more.  I can't really pinpoint why, either.

 

 

[Valoel_Vegas]

This is why I dismiss people with [edited]solo t9/t10 stats or low/no solo t9/t10 games, they simply don't know how to carry and talk out of their [edited]all day. Having 60%+ solo winrates with let's say 100 games in a given ship gives you enough credibility to be listened to

 

I don't mean to say this as a personal attack on you, merely highlighting the source of your frustration and how you can overcome it. Just because you're good at t5-t8 ships does not mean you are good at t10 ships, take the time to learn and analyze game flow, understand why t10 games are won and lost and how you can improve your game impact

[Taichunger]

I have tier 10s too, just no incentive to play them. With the rate I earn credits and the multiple lines I'm grinding, it'd need to be something extraordinary for me to shell out for a tier 10 game.

 

I sold all my T10s. That tier is no fun -- collapses are common, the pressure is too high, the camping meta is bad, and the maps are just godawful. 

 

I went back to playing Fletcher and Iowa, and now Baltimore, and enjoy them very much. 

[Wowzery]

These tiers are not fun, period.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a masochist or a divisioning unicum.

 

As much as I want a Yamato, or Montana, I too found as I went up in tiers the fun factor disappeared.  Which is why I stopped at T8 and now play almost exclusively T6 ships despite the screwed up MM.

[waffles1945]

They need to increase Montanas bow and stern armor to 33mm to avoid Yamatos from over matching it. I love being agreesive in my Montana, but Yamatos keep going straight through my angled hull. 

 

[LemonadeWarrior]

 

As much as I want a Yamato, or Montana, I too found as I went up in tiers the fun factor disappeared.  Which is why I stopped at T8 and now play almost exclusively T6 ships despite the screwed up MM.

 

​It is not that bad. Eventually you ll like the higher tiers.

 

​When I first started at T10 I was like OMG YAMATO RUN! Now when I play my Monty I am like, yea BBQ time

[Herr_Reitz]

I went there... got the GK then returned later to get the Gearing. Two major reasons... wanted to know if it could be done for (nearly) free, no cash infusion. It's doable. Second reason - especially the Gearing - was I wanted to play the ships before they get nerfed (mashed) into a shadow of what they once were. 

 

Both are - strangely - stress relievers for me. They play almost the way you think they should play. Montanas though... fairly easy targets actually... surprising how many of them float along in straight lines for-ever. :-) 

 

 This is why I dismiss people with [edited]solo t9/t10 stats or low/no solo t9/t10 games, they simply don't know how to carry and talk out of their [edited]all day. Having 60%+ solo winrates with let's say 100 games in a given ship gives you enough credibility to be listened to

 

I do have a question then... I just got past the 50 battle mark with my Graf Spee. I have 70%+ win rate with her in random battles. Does this mean - if I manage to keep it there - I'm some kinda awesome Graf Spee player? IMHO no, nope, no way. 

 

I do however think the Graf Spee is a very sweet ship. 

[Super_S1X]

I was under the impression the Montana playstyle was pretty much exactly the same as the Iowa?

[Ayanami_Kai]

 

 

Oh lord...

[Angelhunter]

Win rate is 90% of the time decided by your team. Very rarely does any single player affect the outcome. This is especially true at high tiers where one bad move gets you deleted. Just my thoughts.

[sbcptnitro]

I can somewhat relate to this post.

 

 

While it's not a 20% WR, it's still bad enough to make me wonder what in the heck I'm doing wrong, but then again, this isn't the first time I've started off playing a ship "statistically" well without being able to gain a >50% WR.

 

[GhostSwordsman]

Tengu, I'm not sure if you're aware, but Jammin411(the guy who does wowreplays.com) has some kind of 'real time' stat tracker program up in a beta form. What it does is, it will pull the info for all players in a match from the API and display them in game, I believe. That may be why you're being focused down over better targets. Also it supposedly updates each time it detects a new match too.

[ArIskandir]

Tengu, I'm not sure if you're aware, but Jammin411(the guy who does wowreplays.com) has some kind of 'real time' stat tracker program up in a beta form. What it does is, it will pull the info for all players in a match from the API and display them in game, I believe. That may be why you're being focused down over better targets. Also it supposedly updates each time it detects a new match too.

Can we have confirmation of this pls?

Also, is there any other way of knowing stats in match without alt-tab and manual search, or is the population up there small enough to know first hand the performance of a relative significant number of playees?

[sbcptnitro]

Tengu, I'm not sure if you're aware, but Jammin411(the guy who does wowreplays.com) has some kind of 'real time' stat tracker program up in a beta form. What it does is, it will pull the info for all players in a match from the API and display them in game, I believe. That may be why you're being focused down over better targets. Also it supposedly updates each time it detects a new match too.

 

You mean like XVM in WOT?