Colorado- How hard is she going to be creep'd?

[Dr_Richtofen]

How hard is this ship going to be suffering from power creep? Like its crazy how much it is getting smashed further down to be the worst T7 BB.

 

First let me say I don't play this ship, I don't even like this ship... Haven't since Beta me and it just didn't talk. Since Beta I have played it a total of 2 times. But God I see it on the other team in battle and just instantly think "no threat". Yes I know there will be those that say oh shes not a bad ship if you know how to make her work. Well yea anyone good enough can make almost anything work. This is just starting to get a little ridiculous at this point though.

 

I have put forward only today grant you my opinion that it should get the trops it did not get in the game from how it did at one point have them in the real world, but others have before too. Here is my reasons for it through:

1. Colorado as many people have pointed out is supposed to be a mid-range brawler of a battleship. But with the Germans being put in with torps along with other factors finds itself many times dying for trying to do this role.
2. Mutsu just got added and she now has 16 inch guns AND trops at a tier lower then Colorado.
3. Gneisenau, her sister, and Tirpitz had to be special with the torps as battleships but as I just pointed out now they are not the only ones with them. With their speed advantage they also have over her makes it more difficult to get into the bawl if Colorado even tried.

The point for the Germans getting it and Colorado not was always her gun size and 4th turret but with Mutsu that is no longer the case.

 

Now let me put out there that I am making some large assumptions one of which its Mutsu which I know almost nothing about how well it performs in battle and only know its stats. Still to me it seems like Colorado needs something, a lot of the USN needs something but Colorado really does with how hard the creep has hit. And I say this as a player who does not even like playing her before any other nations got added besides the USN and IJN.

[IronWolfV]

It's simple. It needs the Maryland upgrade, or the West Virginia upgrade as their final hull. Then she can brawl.

[Dr_Richtofen]

I would agree that the Maryland upgrade would be good but so far that seems to not be considered even. More ships are added that hurt Colorado but no glance in her direction to keep her up with the rest is even happening.

 

I don't want to turn this into a WG what are you doing thing but...

[ValkyrWarframe]

I don't know, Colorado isn't as bad as people think.  She's pretty darn accurate in fact, and her only issue I can see is the low speed.

[KnightFandragon]

Yeah, West Virginia upgrade would be good.  Alot of AA to shoot down all the planes on its way into its 15km range, alot more secondaries, buff them up.  Give it more armor and health...yeah, just basically power creep it up to Gneisenau and Scharnhorst lvls, then it might be worth playing.  I mean, afterall, its not like the USN ships dont have REAL LIFE hulls and upgrades that were ACTUALLY used that could make them alot better.  Its not like WG has to make up crapto buff up the USN line.  A straight up late war hull upgrade for every ship is definitely in order for the USN line.  more AA, more secondaries, bettersecondaries, better all the things.  Lets get the USN out of last place and losing WR straight across the board.  Lets see them all with atleast 50-52% win rates. 

[awiggin]

"Mid-range" is not 6k away....

 

[Dr_Richtofen]

I don't know, Colorado isn't as bad as people think.  She's pretty darn accurate in fact, and her only issue I can see is the low speed.

 

She can be accurate but she does have the lowest average accuracy of all the T7 BBs. Also she is basically just out gunned at this point in ability to deal damage.

"Mid-range" is not 6k away....

 

  Well I was being kind in saying the 10km~ish range as mid-range (compared to what many normally see with BBs out on the 1 line) cause much closer most people would say you're to close and asking to die.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

It's simple. It needs the Maryland upgrade, or the West Virginia upgrade as their final hull. Then she can brawl.

 

In the words of an old friend from those parts of the states:  West "By God" Virginia

[Phoenix_jz]

The first thing to do is get rid of that ridiculous secondary Armament upgrade on the Gneisenau... Remove that, and then let's see how well Colorado does... After all, even if Colorado gets the 5in/38's... Her long range dps will still be inferior to Gneisenau's.

 

Oh, and fix Colorado's hilarious low health... People have been pointing out that one for a while.

[Big_Spud]

How hard is she GOING to get power creeped?

 

Boy, she's been power creeped before she was even put into the game two years ago.

[ForgMaxtor]

"Mid-range" is not 6k away....

 

The problem is that given their slow 21kt. speed, the Colorado (and USN Standards in general) completely lack the ability to keep the engagement outside of the close-range envelope where KM torpedoes and secondaries come into play.  A 30+ kt. Geneisenau or Scharnhorst will close the distance on a Colorado *very* quickly.

 

 

[BB45USSColorado]

I really enjoy the Colorado. After her buff she seems pretty decent. But I do agree. It needs something. I think another consumable slot with something akin to 'Rapid fire of secondaries and extend their range' It would be kinda like a historical touch as when it was hit 22 times at Tinian every other ship thought the Colorado was on fire when really it was firing back so furiously that it's side looked like a sheet of flame.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

For something to get "Power Creeped" it implies the ship was competitive or superior to its peers then losing out and getting bad or average due to changes in the game or additions to the game.  Colorado was never in that competitive, superior platform.

 

When it was just Nagato and Colorado at Tier VII BBs, Colorado had very mixed fortunes.

 

Nagato has traditionally been far superior and this was most especially so at launch, before CO got her dispersion buffed.  CO back then was truly awful, this was the terrible "LOLORADO" and "Trolorado" era.  This was at a time when the MM spread used to be +/- 3 tiers, so Tier VII Colorado in her pre-buff era was facing YAMATO.  It was bad.  Then she got buffed in dispersion and she got better.  You no longer sat at any range and disrespected CO's guns because of s--t dispersion.  You had to respect her accuracy.  Nagato was still better though but it wasn't a face roll like it was before.

 

Then came Scharnhorst and the rest of the German BBs, including Gneisenau at Tier VII.  Things got real bad for CO because now her 21kt speed against near-Cruiser speed Scharnhorst / Gneisenau was an achilles heel.  I almost feel bad for running down a Colorado with Scharnhorst.

 

Almost.

 

The only thing CO can do is sail with friends, preferably buddies with torps and spammy guns, to dissuade a German BB push.  This is so CO can keep the fight at range where her superior 16" guns and accuracy will badly hurt the German BBs.  If CO can keep the fight at range, she'll easily win.  If the fight gets close range, it's over.

[Valoel_Vegas]

all she needs is a historikally akkurate engine upgrade, i'm sure WG can "find" some experimental engine from the era to put inside it

[Dr_Richtofen]

For something to get "Power Creeped" it implies the ship was competitive or superior to its peers then losing out and getting bad or average due to changes in the game or additions to the game.  Colorado was never in that competitive, superior platform.

 

I never considered the definition of "power creep" to be that something had to start out better then average or superior later turning into something bad. I looked at it as the definition i have always thought and always found when you look up the term to be a thing that was no longer used commonly in favor for more powerful options that became available.

 

Still the points remains for Colorado.

[Shatara422]

all she needs is a historikally akkurate engine upgrade, i'm sure WG can "find" some experimental engine from the era to put inside it

 

But everycomrade knows capitalists too lazy to invent battleship faster than 20knts. Stole idea from germany therefor german ships get upgrades and american ships get downgrades.