Saipan the true cancer

[AlcatrazNC]

This ship should be moved to T8, for T7 it's way too OP . You can't catch up his fighter, you can't kill his fighter unless you manage to straff them when he engaged the combat with your 2nd fighter, his bomber have ability to OS a DD....

 

And don't even tell me excuse like " you have more planes in hangar" because you can't destroy his planes, even my fighter has been destroyed by his DB squad. This is just [edited]how this ship is OP . If they don't want to move this ship then they should add an option that allow the player to not play against this ship or let my Saipan play in T5 match against a Bogue. (sounds stupid but it's what the Saipan is, a light T9 CV) 

[cometguy]

Get an 11 point captain, bring anything with fighters, and you'll win the air war against any Saipan.

[TurboT]

Go buy one and try it.  The ship gets beat by hiryus now that every one has extra fighter.

[AlcatrazNC]

Since everyone have access to Air Suppremacy or the 4th perk, Saipan have now 4 fighter planes per squad and 10 bomber+ which means 12 fighter. The Hiryu only have 10 Fighter and even in 1 v 1 they are easily taken down. In fact the real problem with the Saipan is the 3/0/1 loadout since they rekt both your planes and you coz USN DB .

[Reymu]

Force him to fight you over friendly AA--20 or so seconds over even a Konig will usually drop one of his T9 fighters, and use the Dogfight Expert skill for extra dps.

 

Faced Saipans about 1/3 of the time in Hiryu during my IJN CV grind. What'd you think I did? Adapted my tactics, and consequently even an AS Saipan with three 4-plane fighters had trouble keeping my sudden attacks in check, and usually out-earned them--not to mention how fun it was forcing him to choose between protecting his lone DB or protect his teammates.

 

Besides, if Saipan's planes are that brutal, ask teammates for AA help. Most any ship can help some, except maybe T5 DDs since their AA is so weak.

[Espinoza75]

Facing an AS Saipan was a different animal for me in Ranked.

 

So few ships he knew where I had to strike.

He embarrassed me. I suppose I'll try AS and focus on fleet protection and spotting. AS Hiryu still gets enough bombers to do dmg. I can't let my DDs down or the game goes badly

[cometguy]

Since everyone have access to Air Suppremacy or the 4th perk, Saipan have now 4 fighter planes per squad and 10 bomber+ which means 12 fighter. The Hiryu only have 10 Fighter and even in 1 v 1 they are easily taken down. In fact the real problem with the Saipan is the 3/0/1 loadout since they rekt both your planes and you coz USN DB .

Ya, but dog fighting expert is just a 1 point skill. That closes the gap considerably, and a strafe that downs even one plane will assure you victory.

[Palladia]

The Hiryu deals a good deal more damage then the Saipan.  The Hiryu just can't overrun the Saipan like it can the Ranger.  The Saipan can actually defend itself.  SURPRISE!  Just take heart in the fact that you're going to be affecting the seaward battle a lot more than either loadout of the Saipan.

[sartt]

Get an 11 point captain, bring anything with fighters, and you'll win the air war against any Saipan.

 

lol.. no you wont.   i have a 17 point saipan commander and i completely shred anyone foolish enough to attack me. Its a premium ship, so people will have to deal with it.

[Nachoo31]

Get an 11 point captain, bring anything with fighters, and you'll win the air war against any Saipan.

 

You sure?   AS or Strike Saipan.

[Femennenly]

It's not hard to beat a Saipan in a Hiryu that is correctly spec'd and being played well. Choosing when to engage and where is paramount in beating them.

[PzkwVIB]

 

lol.. no you wont.   i have a 17 point saipan commander and i completely shred anyone foolish enough to attack me. Its a premium ship, so people will have to deal with it.

 

The "It's a premium ship,so people will have to deal with it" sounds a bit like, "I paid for this ship that has very few counters, live with the firestorm/torpstorm I'm going to unleash on you, and your CV can't do squat. And if you can't, git gud scrub." Work on your wording so you don't sound like an A-hole.

 

Oh, and you do have a few surface counters, Atlanta, or any USN cruiser tier 7+. I  know my Atlanta and Baltimore LOVE seeing strike Saipan's.

[PzkwVIB]

It's not hard to beat a Saipan in a Hiryu that is correctly spec'd and being played well. Choosing when to engage and where is paramount in beating them.

 

Yeah, like when they're over allied AA. Or when the Saipan captain is preoccupied with a bomb drop.

[stacet]

guy remember saipan loadout:

3-0-1: forget fighters and shoot down that bomber, only need maintain your fighters near by allies and problem solved, he need use fighters close by a AA bouble. YOU have the damage on ships advantage (2 TBs and 2 DBs);

2-2-0: now is more dificult, he has more variety of tactics and you need pay more atention. And  you still have damage advantage

Obs: saippan cant aply sustain dots without help, even 2-2-0 cant because use one TB only their planes will down quickly. And if you give up air superiority you can snipe him ( he dont have DF like T8)

[SullyQuindarius]

Why do people think Saipan is so OP? 3/0/1 loadout - A good Hiryu captain can hold him off long enough to get his strikes in, and with only one dive bomber squad, the Saipan captain relies on his team completely for getting most of the kills. 2/2/0 Saipan can be swamped by a Hiryu, especially if the Hiryu has the skill that gives an extra fighter and dive-bomber. And the torpedo bomber squadrons are tiny, both of them combined only amount to one standard USN squadron.

 

And remember the most important thing: CV noobs at T7 will be in the Saipan. If there is a newbie in ranked in a CV, 90% of the time he will be in a Saipan. And Saipan wallet warriors are incredibly common. Just this morning, I dominated a Saipan with... my STRIKE Ranger! And, the game crashed at the beginning of the match. So my planes were floating around in the middle of the battlefield for two minutes while I rebooted the game. They were still there (minus several losses to AA). He only attacked my planes once, and that wasn't even a strafe. He auto-dropped every time (he was 2/2/0). I was afk from right after my first strike until halfway through the match. And I managed to sink both of their nearly full-health BBs when I got back in. That's how little he was doing. Literally the worst CV player I have ever seen. I didn't even go for the CV snipe (that's just a dirty tactic). Unfortunately we lost because our CA wouldn't cap (the teams were down to me, a Gneisenau and a Yorck on our team and the Saipan and a Sims on their team). So don't forget, many Saipan captains are wallet/weekend warriors who have NO idea what they are doing. 

[Carrier_Junyo]

A Hiryu with Dogfighting Expert wrecks Saipan planes.....Ranger wreckes Saipan planes....Saipan wrecks Saipan planes....how is Saipan OP again?